Could the regression possibly be explained by the off-season loss of Kotie to Charlotte?

(12-23-2018 10:03 AM)Tribester Wrote:  Could the regression possibly be explained by the off-season loss of Kotie to Charlotte?

I was thinking the exact same thing! Which coach is in charge of free throw shooting? Whichever one it is, he needs to step it up! If it is Boatner then he needs to find out what Kimble did last year and then do the same thing. The freshmen, especially, need to learn it. Both Owens and Harvey went 0-3 against UVa.

(12-23-2018 07:51 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Shaver is a great coach but I imagine he's not used to coaching up 5 true freshmen for significant game play. So, he's also adjusting and I think we need to recognize this is a burner year for players and coaches.

The fact that Nate dominated UVA when they knew he was the only threat is amazing. If at least two guys don't step up and help him....man.

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Yeah, but their big lead meant UVA wasn't as concerned about trying to stop him. It's an impressive line to put up against probably the best defense he'll see all year, but they didn't sell out to stop him like they would have in a close game. We definitely should have made them care more about it. We don't run plays until they get stopped often enough.

With regard to your first point, Rowley's return from injury really screwed up our rotation. We had a pretty good set where just about everyone was getting minutes, including Blair and to a much lesser extent Harvey. Paul is getting (my guess, I didn't look it up) about 20-25 minutes a game which means Blair and Harvey are completely absent. If they could sit Pierce until he's 100%, we'd get a lot of balance back to the rotation, I think. It's not really Shaver's fault, it's that there's not enough minutes in a game for all the guys we want to play.

(12-23-2018 10:34 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 10:03 AM)Tribester Wrote:  Could the regression possibly be explained by the off-season loss of Kotie to Charlotte?

I was thinking the exact same thing! Which coach is in charge of free throw shooting? Whichever one it is, he needs to step it up! If it is Boatner then he needs to find out what Kimble did last year and then do the same thing. The freshmen, especially, need to learn it. Both Owens and Harvey went 0-3 against UVa.

Yeah, coaching changes matter. Even if they're not making P5 money, we have coaches that make a significant difference, and new coaches mean that existing coaches change up their focus to accommodate.

Coaching isn't why we aren't making our free throws just like coaching isn't why Hooper was missing his field goals. These kids have been shooting dozens or hundreds of free throws every day in practice and in off season. Losing Burchfield and Cohn (~90% shooters) makes it tough to replace. Free throws are easy in practice and most players make at least 75% just by repeating technique over and over again.

Here's the puzzling part. Pierce is down' almost 20% and Milon is down 30%. What's in common with both of them? They have been playing hurt most of the season. Not having a rhythm is what wrecks free throw percentage.

(12-22-2018 03:39 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  We can't be competitive when three of our four upperclassmen bring nothing to the floor....dumbfounded.

Don't understand why Blair is not getting more opportunities.

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I agree that Coach should play Blair more. Blair should be on the rotation to give Nathan breaks for at least 4-6 minutes per half.

I agree we have a path to top 4 finish in CAA and if the freshmen get hot can make a run in the Tourney! The St Joes game showed when we play with confidence what the team is capable of doing while the many losses show how low it can get. That is the way it will be playing so many mid-major freshmen...

(12-23-2018 11:36 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Coaching isn't why we aren't making our free throws .... These kids have been shooting dozens or hundreds of free throws every day in practice and in off season.

...Milon is down 30%. ... have been playing hurt most of the season.

So which is it? Shooting dozens or shooting hundreds? There is a huge difference. And do you know that they are shooting free throws this much or are you assuming it? As I said, practice is the answer. Where coaching comes in is making sure that they learn, practice, and execute proper form and also making sure that they actually DO practice hundreds of FTs per week.

What is Milon's injury?

Speaking generally of all the players, many of the missed FTs look to be because of a lack of concentration.

Kotie was NOT in charge of free throw shooting last year. All the coaches, including Tony, lay out a schedule of free throw practice after an initial assessment of the player's FT stroke.

(12-23-2018 12:59 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 11:36 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Coaching isn't why we aren't making our free throws .... These kids have been shooting dozens or hundreds of free throws every day in practice and in off season.

...Milon is down 30%. ... have been playing hurt most of the season.

So which is it? Shooting dozens or shooting hundreds? There is a huge difference. And do you know that they are shooting free throws this much or are you assuming it? As I said, practice is the answer. Where coaching comes in is making sure that they learn, practice, and execute proper form and also making sure that they actually DO practice hundreds of FTs per week.

What is Milon's injury?

Speaking generally of all the players, many of the missed FTs look to be because of a lack of concentration.

No coach is "in charge" of free throw shooting. Making FTs is an individual skill on which few teams can afford to spend valuable practice time. Breaks like this one and the off-season are the best times for players to focus on improving in that area-- not team practice sessions.

The OOC schedule was awful for a team that had no leadership and loaded with freshman. This team would have benfitted from a schedule that allowed them to build some confidence. It was obvious when it was released this was going to be a tough start. How many games were we actually favored?

The unfortunate part is we head into a weak CAA with a team that has talent though feels like a bunch of losers.

(12-23-2018 08:05 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  The OOC schedule was awful for a team that had no leadership and loaded with freshman. This team would have benfitted from a schedule that allowed them to build some confidence. It was obvious when it was released this was going to be a tough start. How many games were we actually favored?

The unfortunate part is we head into a weak CAA with a team that has talent though feels like a bunch of losers.

I don’t think the schedule is to blame. According to Warren Nolan we’ve only played one other team in the top 100 (Radford). We’ve played four teams ranked 200 or worse and we’re 2-2 in those games.

I know that it’s sacreligious around here, but coaching is a part of not getting production from your guys, not playing defense, not adapting your offensive system to your players (or recruiting players in a plan that fits your system, etc.).

But I don’t think the schedule is to blame.

We do miss David Cohn's leadership and game management. Loewe and Scott are not experienced enough.

(12-23-2018 08:23 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  I know that it’s sacreligious around here, but coaching is a part of not getting production from your guys, not playing defense, not adapting your offensive system to your players (or recruiting players in a plan that fits your system, etc.).

Look around here and you'll find plenty of posts calling out the coaches for our defense and offensive schemes. The defense has been too bad for too long for the blame to be on the players.

(12-23-2018 09:23 PM)tribeintexas Wrote:  We do miss David Cohn's leadership and game management. Loewe and Scott are not experienced enough.

If by "leadership and game management" you mean ppg and A/T ratio, then I totally agree.

(12-23-2018 05:33 PM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Kotie was NOT in charge of free throw shooting last year. All the coaches, including Tony, lay out a schedule of free throw practice after an initial assessment of the player's FT stroke.

(12-23-2018 06:05 PM)Swemster Wrote:  No coach is "in charge" of free throw shooting. Making FTs is an individual skill on which few teams can afford to spend valuable practice time. Breaks like this one and the off-season are the best times for players to focus on improving in that area-- not team practice sessions.

Well then, apparently, Tony and the coaches have not been following through to make sure that the players are adhering to their FT practice schedules. That's coaching.

Ive been thinking the same thing about Kimble. Also know that last year the them had their summer trip, which provided additional practices and bonding, so that is also another difference from last year to this year.

It looked like vs UVA Shaver favored Loewe over Scott. I’m not sure who should be starting at PG, but wish Shaver committed to someone sooner before going into conference play. Neither had significant game experience coming into the year (Scott none) - if he had committed to one over the other, that may have translated to an additional one or two games of experience in minutes for one of them.


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(12-24-2018 12:04 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 05:33 PM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Kotie was NOT in charge of free throw shooting last year. All the coaches, including Tony, lay out a schedule of free throw practice after an initial assessment of the player's FT stroke.

(12-23-2018 06:05 PM)Swemster Wrote:  No coach is "in charge" of free throw shooting. Making FTs is an individual skill on which few teams can afford to spend valuable practice time. Breaks like this one and the off-season are the best times for players to focus on improving in that area-- not team practice sessions.

Well then, apparently, Tony and the coaches have not been following through to make sure that the players are adhering to their FT practice schedules. That's coaching.

Make sure you let him know that. If it doesn't get immediately better, I suggest you give Samantha a call and express your interest in the job.

Sometimes players just miss foul shots, it becomes contagious, and you just have to suffer through it.

It becomes a confidence thing like when golfers get the yips on the putting green.

It's a lot easier to make 18-20 shots in practice when you are shooting ten at a time than to make the front end of a one and one when you are tired and the pressure amps up a notch or two with loud crowds, etc.

That's the stuff you can't practice. You only get it by playing. Ice in veins matters.

(12-24-2018 01:20 PM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Sometimes players just miss foul shots, it becomes contagious, and you just have to suffer through it.