Yeah ND plays 6 and everybody else plays 8. I would cut a schedule deal with either army or BYU to play the 2 games ND missed to keeps things balanced. The format would be 4-2-2 and 4-1-1 for ND, BYU or army play 1-1. At the end of the regular season, the 2 highest ranked 15 ACC teams get into the title game. I would guess ND schedule would be :

6 acc games
3 h/a navy, usc, Stanford
1 h/a name game
2 home game

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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No. No chance, no way, no how. Not going to happen. Forget about it. Uh-uh.

(12-07-2018 10:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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No. No chance, no way, no how. Not going to happen. Forget about it. Uh-uh.

I agree. Nope. No, thank you!

I don't know how this helps the B1G. If Ohio State beat Michigan in the CCG would they have gotten in over Oklahoma who beat Texas? Oklahoma was already ahead of them in the ranking. Maybe more flexibility in regular season scheduling would allow conferences to add some SoS.

Local radio guy said their was a "look-in" in 2020. Don't expect expansion at that time, most likely to see if change in payout is warranted.

(12-07-2018 02:56 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't know how this helps the B1G. If Ohio State beat Michigan in the CCG would they have gotten in over Oklahoma who beat Texas? Oklahoma was already ahead of them in the ranking. Maybe more flexibility in regular season scheduling would allow conferences to add some SoS.

Local radio guy said their was a "look-in" in 2020. Don't expect expansion at that time, most likely to see if change in payout is warranted.

I believe the thinking is that beating Michigan twice, once when they were ranked #4 and again when they were ranked #7 plus a Top 12 win over PSU might have been just enough to edge out OU, whose three main wins were over #13 WVU, #14 Texas, and #24 Iowa State.

With what actually happened it was #4, #12, and #22 vs #13, #14, and #24 with the gap between #4 and #13 being balanced by the difference between one loss. That gap in terms of the loss might be perceived as less important when ALL three wins are better than the best win OU had.

Not saying that is what would have happened, just saying that is probably what the thinking is.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-06-2018 09:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  Nothing will change until the CFP contract expires after the 2023 season.

until a desperate pac preemptively offers oklahoma/oklahoma state circa 2022 ...

STATUS QUO (STATE IN WHICH)

(12-07-2018 03:28 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 02:56 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't know how this helps the B1G. If Ohio State beat Michigan in the CCG would they have gotten in over Oklahoma who beat Texas? Oklahoma was already ahead of them in the ranking. Maybe more flexibility in regular season scheduling would allow conferences to add some SoS.

Local radio guy said their was a "look-in" in 2020. Don't expect expansion at that time, most likely to see if change in payout is warranted.

I believe the thinking is that beating Michigan twice, once when they were ranked #4 and again when they were ranked #7 plus a Top 12 win over PSU might have been just enough to edge out OU, whose three main wins were over #13 WVU, #14 Texas, and #24 Iowa State.

With what actually happened it was #4, #12, and #22 vs #13, #14, and #24 with the gap between #4 and #13 being balanced by the difference between one loss. That gap in terms of the loss might be perceived as less important when ALL three wins are better than the best win OU had.

Not saying that is what would have happened, just saying that is probably what the thinking is.

Cheers,
Neil

Agreed. Ohio State would've had a better opponent than Northwestern (no offense, just saying)

I don’t think “champs only” should be a rule, but what I do think is if a team loses their championship game they should be ineligible. Why, you ask? Because it is a team’s opportunity to prove themselves at a neutral site and should be a de facto play-in game.

(12-07-2018 10:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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No. No chance, no way, no how. Not going to happen. Forget about it. Uh-uh.

ND would have no interest in this, anyway.

Why do people try to come up with such scenarios??

(12-07-2018 05:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:28 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 02:56 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't know how this helps the B1G. If Ohio State beat Michigan in the CCG would they have gotten in over Oklahoma who beat Texas? Oklahoma was already ahead of them in the ranking. Maybe more flexibility in regular season scheduling would allow conferences to add some SoS.

Local radio guy said their was a "look-in" in 2020. Don't expect expansion at that time, most likely to see if change in payout is warranted.

I believe the thinking is that beating Michigan twice, once when they were ranked #4 and again when they were ranked #7 plus a Top 12 win over PSU might have been just enough to edge out OU, whose three main wins were over #13 WVU, #14 Texas, and #24 Iowa State.

With what actually happened it was #4, #12, and #22 vs #13, #14, and #24 with the gap between #4 and #13 being balanced by the difference between one loss. That gap in terms of the loss might be perceived as less important when ALL three wins are better than the best win OU had.

Not saying that is what would have happened, just saying that is probably what the thinking is.

Cheers,
Neil

Agreed. Ohio State would've had a better opponent than Northwestern (no offense, just saying)

It would have been a do over game with either Michigan or Penn State. All that would have done is tag another loss on 1 of those 2 and possibly cost the Big 10 a NY6 bowl game.

I think if we ever move to a champs only (and I hope we do) that we will move to P4. If anyone should want this it's the ACC as it likely puts either the PAC (not so likely) or the Big 12 (much more likely) out of business. And it forces N.D. all in with the ACC.

Whether we move to 3 divisions and take the best 2 division winners for the CCG or divide into 2 divisions won't matter so much. But if we divide into 2 divisions the divisions should change their make up annually. Teams should be seeded annually or every other year after home and homes are honored. By constantly balancing divisions not only would teams be likely to play more often, but you should get a decent CCG annually. That would help the Big 10 and ACC particularly.

(12-07-2018 10:48 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Yeah ND plays 6 and everybody else plays 8. I would cut a schedule deal with either army or BYU to play the 2 games ND missed to keeps things balanced. The format would be 4-2-2 and 4-1-1 for ND, BYU or army play 1-1. At the end of the regular season, the 2 highest ranked 15 ACC teams get into the title game. I would guess ND schedule would be :

6 acc games
3 h/a navy, usc, Stanford
1 h/a name game
2 home game

Everyone repeat after me...nobody will ever be eligible for the co ference title game if they don't play a full conference schedule. This is the dumbest idea on the internet, but it keeps getting repeated for some reason.

(12-08-2018 02:42 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:48 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Yeah ND plays 6 and everybody else plays 8. I would cut a schedule deal with either army or BYU to play the 2 games ND missed to keeps things balanced. The format would be 4-2-2 and 4-1-1 for ND, BYU or army play 1-1. At the end of the regular season, the 2 highest ranked 15 ACC teams get into the title game. I would guess ND schedule would be :

6 acc games
3 h/a navy, usc, Stanford
1 h/a name game
2 home game

Everyone repeat after me...nobody will ever be eligible for the co ference title game if they don't play a full conference schedule. This is the dumbest idea on the internet, but it keeps getting repeated for some reason.

+1
Listen to this man.

(12-08-2018 12:24 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 05:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:28 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 02:56 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't know how this helps the B1G. If Ohio State beat Michigan in the CCG would they have gotten in over Oklahoma who beat Texas? Oklahoma was already ahead of them in the ranking. Maybe more flexibility in regular season scheduling would allow conferences to add some SoS.

Local radio guy said their was a "look-in" in 2020. Don't expect expansion at that time, most likely to see if change in payout is warranted.

I believe the thinking is that beating Michigan twice, once when they were ranked #4 and again when they were ranked #7 plus a Top 12 win over PSU might have been just enough to edge out OU, whose three main wins were over #13 WVU, #14 Texas, and #24 Iowa State.

With what actually happened it was #4, #12, and #22 vs #13, #14, and #24 with the gap between #4 and #13 being balanced by the difference between one loss. That gap in terms of the loss might be perceived as less important when ALL three wins are better than the best win OU had.

Not saying that is what would have happened, just saying that is probably what the thinking is.

Cheers,
Neil

Agreed. Ohio State would've had a better opponent than Northwestern (no offense, just saying)

It would have been a do over game with either Michigan or Penn State. All that would have done is tag another loss on 1 of those 2 and possibly cost the Big 10 a NY6 bowl game.

I think if we ever move to a champs only (and I hope we do) that we will move to P4. If anyone should want this it's the ACC as it likely puts either the PAC (not so likely) or the Big 12 (much more likely) out of business. And it forces N.D. all in with the ACC.

Whether we move to 3 divisions and take the best 2 division winners for the CCG or divide into 2 divisions won't matter so much. But if we divide into 2 divisions the divisions should change their make up annually. Teams should be seeded annually or every other year after home and homes are honored. By constantly balancing divisions not only would teams be likely to play more often, but you should get a decent CCG annually. That would help the Big 10 and ACC particularly.

15 teams, 3 divisions of 5, best 2 division champs play for title. That's my favorite setup. We could have
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
WVU

UVa
VT
UNC
Duke
Miami

FSU
GT
Clemson
WF
NCSU

1 permanent rival in other two divisions, room for ND if they ever go all in (i.e. never).

(12-08-2018 04:09 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 12:24 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 05:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:28 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 02:56 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't know how this helps the B1G. If Ohio State beat Michigan in the CCG would they have gotten in over Oklahoma who beat Texas? Oklahoma was already ahead of them in the ranking. Maybe more flexibility in regular season scheduling would allow conferences to add some SoS.

Local radio guy said their was a "look-in" in 2020. Don't expect expansion at that time, most likely to see if change in payout is warranted.

I believe the thinking is that beating Michigan twice, once when they were ranked #4 and again when they were ranked #7 plus a Top 12 win over PSU might have been just enough to edge out OU, whose three main wins were over #13 WVU, #14 Texas, and #24 Iowa State.

With what actually happened it was #4, #12, and #22 vs #13, #14, and #24 with the gap between #4 and #13 being balanced by the difference between one loss. That gap in terms of the loss might be perceived as less important when ALL three wins are better than the best win OU had.

Not saying that is what would have happened, just saying that is probably what the thinking is.

Cheers,
Neil

Agreed. Ohio State would've had a better opponent than Northwestern (no offense, just saying)

It would have been a do over game with either Michigan or Penn State. All that would have done is tag another loss on 1 of those 2 and possibly cost the Big 10 a NY6 bowl game.

I think if we ever move to a champs only (and I hope we do) that we will move to P4. If anyone should want this it's the ACC as it likely puts either the PAC (not so likely) or the Big 12 (much more likely) out of business. And it forces N.D. all in with the ACC.

Whether we move to 3 divisions and take the best 2 division winners for the CCG or divide into 2 divisions won't matter so much. But if we divide into 2 divisions the divisions should change their make up annually. Teams should be seeded annually or every other year after home and homes are honored. By constantly balancing divisions not only would teams be likely to play more often, but you should get a decent CCG annually. That would help the Big 10 and ACC particularly.

15 teams, 3 divisions of 5, best 2 division champs play for title. That's my favorite setup. We could have
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
WVU

UVa
VT
UNC
Duke
Miami

FSU
GT
Clemson
WF
NCSU

1 permanent rival in other two divisions, room for ND if they ever go all in (i.e. never).

I can't help but think that VT belongs with GT, Clemson and NC State - call it the STEM division.

(12-05-2018 08:49 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Next thing you know he’ll want just conference champs eligible for the playoffs....

Delaney is used to stacking the deck in his favor. He’s not used to the rules he championed being used to restrict his conference’s access to the big prize. You can bet he’s hearing it from the Presidents of his conference.

Just watch he’ll be more vocal this off season about changing to the CFP.

Well, to Delany's credit, so far he has been like Bowlsby, the Big 12 commissioner, was after TCU/Baylor missed the playoffs in 2014 and the CFP talked about them not having a "13th data point" - he's not whining about the structure of the playoffs, he's talking about what his conference has to do internally to improve its chances.

Remember, by and large, the CFP structure has been great to the B1G. They have gotten 14 teams in the NY6 the last five years, an average of just shy of 3 per year. Only the SEC has also had that many.

(12-07-2018 08:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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No. No chance, no way, no how. Not going to happen. Forget about it. Uh-uh.

ND would have no interest in this, anyway.

Why do people try to come up with such scenarios??

ND may become interested if we switch to "champs only" playoffs.

(12-07-2018 03:28 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 02:56 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't know how this helps the B1G. If Ohio State beat Michigan in the CCG would they have gotten in over Oklahoma who beat Texas? Oklahoma was already ahead of them in the ranking. Maybe more flexibility in regular season scheduling would allow conferences to add some SoS.

Local radio guy said their was a "look-in" in 2020. Don't expect expansion at that time, most likely to see if change in payout is warranted.

I believe the thinking is that beating Michigan twice, once when they were ranked #4 and again when they were ranked #7 plus a Top 12 win over PSU might have been just enough to edge out OU, whose three main wins were over #13 WVU, #14 Texas, and #24 Iowa State.

With what actually happened it was #4, #12, and #22 vs #13, #14, and #24 with the gap between #4 and #13 being balanced by the difference between one loss. That gap in terms of the loss might be perceived as less important when ALL three wins are better than the best win OU had.

Not saying that is what would have happened, just saying that is probably what the thinking is.

Cheers,
Neil

Under champs only model, OSU will be selected instead of Clemson or ND.

(12-08-2018 07:38 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 03:28 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 02:56 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't know how this helps the B1G. If Ohio State beat Michigan in the CCG would they have gotten in over Oklahoma who beat Texas? Oklahoma was already ahead of them in the ranking. Maybe more flexibility in regular season scheduling would allow conferences to add some SoS.

Local radio guy said their was a "look-in" in 2020. Don't expect expansion at that time, most likely to see if change in payout is warranted.

I believe the thinking is that beating Michigan twice, once when they were ranked #4 and again when they were ranked #7 plus a Top 12 win over PSU might have been just enough to edge out OU, whose three main wins were over #13 WVU, #14 Texas, and #24 Iowa State.

With what actually happened it was #4, #12, and #22 vs #13, #14, and #24 with the gap between #4 and #13 being balanced by the difference between one loss. That gap in terms of the loss might be perceived as less important when ALL three wins are better than the best win OU had.

Not saying that is what would have happened, just saying that is probably what the thinking is.

Cheers,
Neil

Under champs only model, OSU will be selected instead of Clemson or ND.

While I don't see a champs only model developing, why would OSU be taken over Clemson which is undefeated and a conference champ? ND would be out, but IF (and that's a HUGE if) a champs only model were passed, they then likely would join a conference.

It's the one criteria Swarbrick has said would get ND to give up their cherished independence.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-08-2018 06:46 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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No. No chance, no way, no how. Not going to happen. Forget about it. Uh-uh.

ND would have no interest in this, anyway.

Why do people try to come up with such scenarios??

ND may become interested if we switch to "champs only" playoffs.

If that happens, ND will be in full for eight games a year in about ten minutes.

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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