Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

And that choice of terminology has exactly one point. Rope and tree has multiple. Especially in Texas.

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

Are you aware what happened to cattle rustlers in the West in the 1880's, Lad? Or do you fundamentally and absolutely discount that for all time? Hint: it involved ropes and trees. Or are you simply unaware of that very historical fact? Or do you choose to ignore that? Hate to tell you but most Texans are deeply aware that the 'rope and tree' is *also* a reference to vigilantism as a whole.

So much that it was the punchline to fing salsa commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

But choose whatever blinders you want to wear for the day Lad.....

(12-07-2018 10:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

And that choice of terminology has exactly one point. Rope and tree has multiple. Especially in Texas.

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

Are you aware what happened to cattle rustlers in the West in the 1880's, Lad? Or do you fundamentally and absolutely discount that for all time? Hint: it involved ropes and trees. Or are you simply unaware of that very historical fact? Or do you choose to ignore that? Hate to tell you but most Texans are deeply aware that the 'rope and tree' is *also* a reference to vigilantism as a whole.

So much that it was the punchline to fing salsa commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

But choose whatever blinders you want to wear for the day Lad.....

You're missing the point. It's not that using the "rope and tree" term is racist in and of itself. It's using it when reference a black person that it 100% is. Same thing as I mentioned with phrases reference ovens/gas with Jewish people.

I'm not wearing blinders. I'm just not as willing to live in Tanq world where one blithely ignores the very obvious context of the words that were used.

Ironically, you posted a perfect example of how context of how the phrase is used (a bunch of literal cowboys talking to each other) makes the phrase have 0 racist undertones.

Lad,

thinking about it a tad let me clarify.

There are three issues at play here: a) insensitivity; b) intelligence; and c) racism.

Myers statement is an '11' on the insensitivity scale, and a -9 on the apparent intelligence scale. That latter is also based upon that he doesnt really seem to even understand the term 'white nationalist' in the way that many do. (In fact, he defines it in a way that is absolutely counter to the term when he says "race doesnt matter').

Is the blob insensitive: Yep, no doubt.

Is the dude not the sharpest stick in the batch: Again, yep, no doubt.

Insensitive + dumb <> racist.

You should be astute enough to recognize that fact in the line above. One would hope you would be astute enough to practice that recognition.

Or, I guess, you can knee jerk every single statement you want into 'racism' (as much as you rail against the concept).

Racism seems to be rampant on both sides of the aisle. The Dems just have a better control of their mouths.

https://www.diversityinc.com/news/vp-bid...utive-days

"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

"the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."

(12-07-2018 10:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

And that choice of terminology has exactly one point. Rope and tree has multiple. Especially in Texas.

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

Are you aware what happened to cattle rustlers in the West in the 1880's, Lad? Or do you fundamentally and absolutely discount that for all time? Hint: it involved ropes and trees. Or are you simply unaware of that very historical fact? Or do you choose to ignore that? Hate to tell you but most Texans are deeply aware that the 'rope and tree' is *also* a reference to vigilantism as a whole.

So much that it was the punchline to fing salsa commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

But choose whatever blinders you want to wear for the day Lad.....

You're missing the point. It's not that using the "rope and tree" term is racist in and of itself. It's using it when reference a black person that it 100% is. Same thing as I mentioned with phrases reference ovens/gas with Jewish people.

I'm not wearing blinders. I'm just not as willing to live in Tanq world where one blithely ignores the very obvious context of the words that were used.

Ironically, you posted a perfect example of how context of how the phrase is used (a bunch of literal cowboys talking to each other) makes the phrase have 0 racist undertones.

Cute that you use the term 'blithely ignore' when you seemingly completely overlook the full context of Myers' statements when labeling him a racist at the outset.

Tell me, what does the quote "race doesnt mean anything at all' mean to you? Is that the mark of a true white nationalist?

When you tell me that I am 'blithely ignoring' items in this thread, your utter overlooking of the full comments (and very specific ones in the Observer, mind you) seems quite the cute counterpoint to your screech there, does it not?

As for overlooking context, you seem to do a fing awesome job of that as well when you complain so loudly about it.

The guy is a dumb***, and an absolute lout. I guess you dont fing think that he is from Tarrant County, Ft Worth, Cowtown, rustlers are hung, Texas has any bearing on the comment at all. Got it. Zero bearing at all. nada. Zilch. Zero. No chance what so fing ever.

Racism at first glance; in Lad world --- 'Git a rope'.

Kind of proving for all time the mantra that floats for progressives : Don't bother ascribing anything to any other reason when you can ascribe it to racis/sexism/whatever-ism.

As I noted I think the guy is pretty fing stupid, and pretty fing crass. In my book that is not an automatic kneejerk equivalent to racist as it seemingly is for those far more enlightened than my blithely ignorant ass.

(12-07-2018 11:27 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Thanks for the screenshot.

Am I misidentifying the person whom Myers is talking about (Snipes from Florida)?

And, by the way, would we be in agreement that 'get a rope and tree' has multiple meanings and/or connotations? Or is the term now *only* racist in nature for you?

If racist, is *any* call for 'vigilantism' if directed at a person of (whatever line is being drawn) now a racist/sexist/homophobic/whatnot remark?

Look, I can't defend this guy completely -- he is obviously a knothead.

I can understand the call in the general sense for 'people self-help' when it comes to Snipes --- a person who is obviously unable as fk to perform her public position. So given that term 'get a rope and a tree' means in one sense to express a call for 'people self-help', I dont think the evidence is overwhelming of racism given the 'object' (considering a call for 'people self-help' seems to have a connection to the source of Snipe's role and power.)

I guess we are damn lucky there was no minority evah in the commercial for pace Picante in this day and age.

I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

And that choice of terminology has exactly one point. Rope and tree has multiple. Especially in Texas.

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

Are you aware what happened to cattle rustlers in the West in the 1880's, Lad? Or do you fundamentally and absolutely discount that for all time? Hint: it involved ropes and trees. Or are you simply unaware of that very historical fact? Or do you choose to ignore that? Hate to tell you but most Texans are deeply aware that the 'rope and tree' is *also* a reference to vigilantism as a whole.

So much that it was the punchline to fing salsa commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

But choose whatever blinders you want to wear for the day Lad.....

You're missing the point. It's not that using the "rope and tree" term is racist in and of itself. It's using it when reference a black person that it 100% is. Same thing as I mentioned with phrases reference ovens/gas with Jewish people.

I'm not wearing blinders. I'm just not as willing to live in Tanq world where one blithely ignores the very obvious context of the words that were used.

Ironically, you posted a perfect example of how context of how the phrase is used (a bunch of literal cowboys talking to each other) makes the phrase have 0 racist undertones.

Cute that you use the term 'blithely ignore' when you seemingly completely overlook the full context of Myers' statements when labeling him a racist at the outset.

Tell me, what does the quote "race doesnt mean anything at all' mean to you? Is that the mark of a true white nationalist?

When you tell me that I am 'blithely ignoring' items in this thread, your utter overlooking of the full comments (and very specific ones in the Observer, mind you) seems quite the cute counterpoint to your screech there, does it not?

As for overlooking context, you seem to do a fing awesome job of that as well when you complain so loudly about it.

The guy is a dumb***, and an absolute lout. I guess you dont fing think that he is from Tarrant County, Ft Worth, Cowtown, rustlers are hung, Texas has any bearing on the comment at all. Got it. Zero bearing at all. nada. Zilch. Zero. No chance what so fing ever.

Racism at first glance; in Lad world --- 'Git a rope'.

Kind of proving for all time the mantra that floats for progressives : Don't bother ascribing anything to any other reason when you can ascribe it to racis/sexism/whatever-ism.

As I noted I think the guy is pretty fing stupid, and pretty fing crass. In my book that is not an automatic kneejerk equivalent to racist as it seemingly is for those far more enlightened than my blithely ignorant ass.

If it talks like a duck (White Nationalist), posts on Facebook like a duck (Get a rope of the black woman), then what do you think it is, a cat?

I don't ignore those items you think I do. I give them little credence because he's just saying them to pacify people like you who are more than happy to use these pieces of evidence to help him wipe his hands of a label for what he is. All he did was provide enough evidence for people to go, see, he isn't actually a racist - just insensitive!

If he didn't want to be labeled a racist, he shouldn't have tried to reclaim the word "white nationalist" or post about getting a rope and tree for a black woman.

(12-07-2018 12:13 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 11:27 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:36 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I knew there'd be an argument that alluding to lynching a black person wasn't racist for some reason...

That type of choice phrasing is the same as if someone had suggested that an oven or gas be used to kill someone who was Jewish. Or do you think racists just make comments like that to Jewish people by accident?

And that choice of terminology has exactly one point. Rope and tree has multiple. Especially in Texas.

Quote:No, calling for vigilantism is not in and of itself racist. But when doing so, if you select a method that was historically used to terrorize a specific race, it's racist. There's no way someone his age doesn't know that black people were terrorized via lynchings with ropes and trees in this country - they happened during his life time.

Are you aware what happened to cattle rustlers in the West in the 1880's, Lad? Or do you fundamentally and absolutely discount that for all time? Hint: it involved ropes and trees. Or are you simply unaware of that very historical fact? Or do you choose to ignore that? Hate to tell you but most Texans are deeply aware that the 'rope and tree' is *also* a reference to vigilantism as a whole.

So much that it was the punchline to fing salsa commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck

But choose whatever blinders you want to wear for the day Lad.....

You're missing the point. It's not that using the "rope and tree" term is racist in and of itself. It's using it when reference a black person that it 100% is. Same thing as I mentioned with phrases reference ovens/gas with Jewish people.

I'm not wearing blinders. I'm just not as willing to live in Tanq world where one blithely ignores the very obvious context of the words that were used.

Ironically, you posted a perfect example of how context of how the phrase is used (a bunch of literal cowboys talking to each other) makes the phrase have 0 racist undertones.

Cute that you use the term 'blithely ignore' when you seemingly completely overlook the full context of Myers' statements when labeling him a racist at the outset.

Tell me, what does the quote "race doesnt mean anything at all' mean to you? Is that the mark of a true white nationalist?

When you tell me that I am 'blithely ignoring' items in this thread, your utter overlooking of the full comments (and very specific ones in the Observer, mind you) seems quite the cute counterpoint to your screech there, does it not?

As for overlooking context, you seem to do a fing awesome job of that as well when you complain so loudly about it.

The guy is a dumb***, and an absolute lout. I guess you dont fing think that he is from Tarrant County, Ft Worth, Cowtown, rustlers are hung, Texas has any bearing on the comment at all. Got it. Zero bearing at all. nada. Zilch. Zero. No chance what so fing ever.

Racism at first glance; in Lad world --- 'Git a rope'.

Kind of proving for all time the mantra that floats for progressives : Don't bother ascribing anything to any other reason when you can ascribe it to racis/sexism/whatever-ism.

As I noted I think the guy is pretty fing stupid, and pretty fing crass. In my book that is not an automatic kneejerk equivalent to racist as it seemingly is for those far more enlightened than my blithely ignorant ass.

If it talks like a duck (White Nationalist), posts on Facebook like a duck (Get a rope of the black woman), then what do you think it is, a cat?

I don't ignore those items you think I do. I give them little credence because he's just saying them to pacify people like you who are more than happy to use these pieces of evidence to help him wipe his hands of a label for what he is. All he did was provide enough evidence for people to go, see, he isn't actually a racist - just insensitive!

If he didn't want to be labeled a racist, he shouldn't have tried to reclaim the word "white nationalist" or post about getting a rope and tree for a black woman.

The question still stands. What does the sentence 'Race doesnt matter at all' mean to you? Seems pretty fing straightforward to my ignorant cracker ass.

Actually, none of his comments in the article(s) tend to support his 'white nationalist' claim, and in fact one of the articles actually even questioned if he knew what the fk it meant.

But that means nothing to you. Got it.

Take the two words and run with em there, son. Growing into quite the progressive there.

(12-06-2018 11:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reading the entirety of the quotes, I think it's more semantic than real. But republicans need to be more aware that there are media types out there just combing social media and any other sources to find unfortunate misstatements that can be used against them.

This is what Newt insisted upon in 1994. The media are going to take things out of context and use them to hurt you, so don't give them the chance. It's like the football coach saying, "Don't give the refs a chance to beat you." So stay on message. When they try to knock you off stride, get right back on message.

This guy should lose his place on the platform committee. Not because he's a racist--he almost certainly is not--but because he's an idiot.

He's worse than an idiot. A maroon really.

But some seem to think that ignorant + crass == racist.

Come to think of it, a poster here has labeled be 'blithely ignorant'. And I do say crass things. I guess I am a racist. My psychological problems are solved!!!

Edited to add: I am caucasion, and I am a nationalist. I am accordingly a white nationalist (based on the Observer article's subject, that is). Even more proof!!!

I think OO also said *he* was a white nationalist as well. What fing cesspool we have here......

Proof galore!!!! Quack quack quackity quack according to Lad's thesis. Makes me the foulest. But by making those derogatory comments about ducks, wouldnt *he* be the 'fowl-ist'?

(12-07-2018 01:45 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 11:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reading the entirety of the quotes, I think it's more semantic than real. But republicans need to be more aware that there are media types out there just combing social media and any other sources to find unfortunate misstatements that can be used against them.

This is what Newt insisted upon in 1994. The media are going to take things out of context and use them to hurt you, so don't give them the chance. It's like the football coach saying, "Don't give the refs a chance to beat you." So stay on message. When they try to knock you off stride, get right back on message.

This guy should lose his place on the platform committee. Not because he's a racist--he almost certainly is not--but because he's an idiot.

He's worse than an idiot. A maroon really.

But some seem to think that ignorant + crass == racist.

Come to think of it, a poster here has labeled be 'blithely ignorant'. And I do say crass things. I guess I am a racist. My psychological problems are solved!!!

Edited to add: I am caucasion, and I am a nationalist. I am accordingly a white nationalist (based on the Observer article's subject, that is). Even more proof!!!

I think OO also said *he* was a white nationalist as well. What fing cesspool we have here......

Proof galore!!!! Quack quack quackity quack according to Lad's thesis. Makes me the foulest. But by making those derogatory comments about ducks, wouldnt *he* be the 'fowl-ist'?

I think thatwas Owl69, although it could sort of apply to me, as I believe in America First(nationalism) and I am mostly white, or all white if you count my Native American and Hispanic ancestry as white.

But that does not mean I hate blacks, or think they should be killed, or sent back to Africa, as Lincoln did. It does not mean that I think only White Lives Matter, or that anybody should get precedence for jobs or other access based on race.

I saw segregation and racial hate when I was young. I did not support it then, do not want a return to it. That does not mean I am in favor of toppling monuments to brave soldiers. So many things are now classified as racist that I don't think are racist, and so many things are classified at not-racist that I think ARE racist.

Everybody should be treated the same. Pretty simple version of the Golden Rule. I have no idea if this guy we are discussing has practiced that or not. It seems to me the worst he can be guilty of is Wrongthink, and the least is stupidity. I know of no actions against other citizens. But as for me and mine, we will continue to not be racists.

(12-06-2018 11:04 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  So if I say I’m a communist because I support the community, you’d just shrug it off and say it was semantics?

I am curious: what would your reaction be if a Democrat said that?
Or if a Democrat said something like, "We don't just need socialism at the local level, or the state level. What we need is NATIONAL socialism!"

I can certainly see Ocasio saying either one of those -- and being incredulous when people considered her words ill-chosen.

As an aside, a friend of mine who is a good ol' fashioned liberal (i.e. NOT an identity-obsessed “progressive”) made a joke on Facebook not long ago about Trump being a socialist of the national variety. Not one of his leftist Facebook friends got the joke. Instead they responded with arguments why Trump is not socialist; one even criticized my friend for besmirching the "good name" of socialism. After several such comments, my friend felt compelled to explain the historical term "national socialism" -- a term that you would think most educated people had learned in 6th grade. I mean, I thought the joke was as obvious as the day is long. Reading the thread, I was as discouraged as my friend was, and sent him a note of sympathy.

I find it interesting that the same people who seemingly complain about leaps to judgement and using broad-strokes to make judgments are the first people to jump all over what *could* be a misstatement or cloddish remark.

Even when given an alternative, the automatic reflex movement is to yell 'racist' for some.

A wall to mark the legal border between the U.S. and Mexico and prevent illegal entry, which U.S. law already prohibits, is … “immoral”.... interesting choice of 'semantics'.

House Speaker to-be On the 'Morality' of marking the border

I will give her the benefit of the doubt of this being a cloddish remark or a 'misstatement', and *not* a complete paean to the concept of open borders that seem to enthrall many on the progressive side, much in line with what I would hope (but dont think) some others might do with other statements.

(12-07-2018 08:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  A wall to mark the legal border between the U.S. and Mexico and prevent illegal entry, which U.S. law already prohibits, is … “immoral”.... interesting choice of 'semantics'.
House Speaker to-be On the 'Morality' of marking the border
I will give her the benefit of the doubt of this being a cloddish remark or a 'misstatement', and *not* a complete paean to the concept of open borders that seem to enthrall many on the progressive side, much in line with what I would hope (but dont think) some others might do with other statements.

I won't give her that benefit. What I see happening is the democrats radicalizing right before our eyes. Center-left is gone.

legal challenge to campaign law


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A little-noticed legal showdown in California poses a threat to a law seen as the backbone of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of 2016 Russian election interference.

(12-07-2018 08:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  A wall to mark the legal border between the U.S. and Mexico and prevent illegal entry, which U.S. law already prohibits, is … “immoral”.... interesting choice of 'semantics'.
House Speaker to-be On the 'Morality' of marking the border
I will give her the benefit of the doubt of this being a cloddish remark or a 'misstatement', and *not* a complete paean to the concept of open borders that seem to enthrall many on the progressive side, much in line with what I would hope (but dont think) some others might do with other statements.

I won't give her that benefit. What I see happening is the democrats radicalizing right before our eyes. Center-left is gone.

Yes, the gulf is widening, and it is doing so under impetus from the Democrats. In a few years Lad may have to reevaluate whether he wants to be far left or left of right center.

(12-08-2018 10:08 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  legal challenge to campaign law


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A little-noticed legal showdown in California poses a threat to a law seen as the backbone of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of 2016 Russian election interference.

The main issue there doesnt really seem to impact the Russia/US Presidential race issue.

The case in the article deals with the law being applied to a Mexican national being a a source of funds for a consultant for a mayoral race. The defense is citing the 10th amendment --- stating explicitly that the power to police local election finance laws resides with the states and the Feds really cant exercise the law in a local election.

That may or may not be the case. But, I think it is unambiguous that the Federal government can certainly lay down the law as it pertains to Federal races.

That doesnt touch any of the other issues that may arise/have arisen in the particulars of the alleged Russia/Presidential context. But the defense of the 10th amendment precluding the Federal government from policing Federal elections doesnt seem to even touch the case cited.

Interesting argument re: local elections though.....

(12-08-2018 10:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  A wall to mark the legal border between the U.S. and Mexico and prevent illegal entry, which U.S. law already prohibits, is … “immoral”.... interesting choice of 'semantics'.
House Speaker to-be On the 'Morality' of marking the border
I will give her the benefit of the doubt of this being a cloddish remark or a 'misstatement', and *not* a complete paean to the concept of open borders that seem to enthrall many on the progressive side, much in line with what I would hope (but dont think) some others might do with other statements.

I won't give her that benefit. What I see happening is the democrats radicalizing right before our eyes. Center-left is gone.

Yes, the gulf is widening, and it is doing so under impetus from the Democrats. In a few years Lad may have to reevaluate whether he wants to be far left or left of right center.

With many of the 40 new D's in Congress coming from R or R-leaning districts, I wonder if the center-left is disappearing or reemerging? Yes, a 29 year socialist won in NYC and is soaking up a bunch of press . . .

The Congressional R's who survived in their ultra safe districts probably look a lot more like the Freedom Caucus than the Boehner-Ryan wing of the party.

Haven't checked to see if someone has done an ideological matrix of this new House class.

(12-08-2018 04:42 PM)ausowl Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 10:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 08:18 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  A wall to mark the legal border between the U.S. and Mexico and prevent illegal entry, which U.S. law already prohibits, is … “immoral”.... interesting choice of 'semantics'.
House Speaker to-be On the 'Morality' of marking the border
I will give her the benefit of the doubt of this being a cloddish remark or a 'misstatement', and *not* a complete paean to the concept of open borders that seem to enthrall many on the progressive side, much in line with what I would hope (but dont think) some others might do with other statements.

I won't give her that benefit. What I see happening is the democrats radicalizing right before our eyes. Center-left is gone.

Yes, the gulf is widening, and it is doing so under impetus from the Democrats. In a few years Lad may have to reevaluate whether he wants to be far left or left of right center.

With many of the 40 new D's in Congress coming from R or R-leaning districts, I wonder if the center-left is disappearing or reemerging? Yes, a 29 year socialist won in NYC and is soaking up a bunch of press . . .
The Congressional R's who survived in their ultra safe districts probably look a lot more like the Freedom Caucus than the Boehner-Ryan wing of the party.
Haven't checked to see if someone has done an ideological matrix of this new House class.

Center left and center right are both pretty much gone. It's going to be team over country from now on, on both sides. With one controlling the house and the other the senate, that means a very high probability of gridlock. Since I don't like either team's ideas, I'm happy with gridlock. I just hope no crisis arises that requires actual action to respond.

Some of the D's who won in formerly R districts promised to be centrists in order to get votes. I predict they won't be. We shall see.