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(12-04-2018 11:34 AM)dj3600 Wrote:  I wonder if we could steal any recruits with Meyers leaving.

The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

(12-04-2018 02:17 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 01:51 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  The last stadium deal was corrupt and stupid but it happened anyway. It’ll happen again.

No way it happens again IMO.

Correct. Those types of deals are - fortunately - finished.

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:34 AM)dj3600 Wrote:  I wonder if we could steal any recruits with Meyers leaving.

The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:34 AM)dj3600 Wrote:  I wonder if we could steal any recruits with Meyers leaving.

The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

Urban retiring is a non-event with respect to UC recruiting. We're not even in the ballgame with any of the guys they have lined up. These kids have many many options.




mc

(12-04-2018 02:57 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:34 AM)dj3600 Wrote:  I wonder if we could steal any recruits with Meyers leaving.

The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

If to$u loses a recruit I regret those will end up at other P5 locations. Sad but true.

(12-04-2018 02:57 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

Coaches matter a ton. Look at Urban's record. He's won at an insane level that OSU hasn't won at in decades. If not for coaching at the same time as Saban he'd be frequently discussed as an all time great. Many legendary coaches don't have 3 national titles and he's still only in his mid 50s. It's quite possible that Day keeps them a top 5 program but it's far from a certainty.

(12-04-2018 03:13 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:57 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

Coaches matter a ton. Look at Urban's record. He's won at an insane level that OSU hasn't won at in decades. If not for coaching at the same time as Saban he'd be frequently discussed as an all time great. Many legendary coaches don't have 3 national titles and he's still only in his mid 50s. It's quite possible that Day keeps them a top 5 program but it's far from a certainty.

This is so true. Really hoping Haskins goes pro as well. Suddenly that game becomes a huge opportunity for UC against a new coach coach with a new quarterback.

(12-04-2018 03:13 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:57 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

Coaches matter a ton. Look at Urban's record. He's won at an insane level that OSU hasn't won at in decades. If not for coaching at the same time as Saban he'd be frequently discussed as an all time great. Many legendary coaches don't have 3 national titles and he's still only in his mid 50s. It's quite possible that Day keeps them a top 5 program but it's far from a certainty.

I agree. OSU has always had superior resources but wasn't winning consistently at this level until Urban arrived. Texas, the richest athletic program in America can't seem to buy a national championship. And Nebraska has a vault full of money but has remained pretty average of late.

So I don't think OSU falls very far, but I also don't think it's a given that this will be the seamless transition that some of its fans anticipate.

(12-04-2018 03:00 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:34 AM)dj3600 Wrote:  I wonder if we could steal any recruits with Meyers leaving.

The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

Urban retiring is a non-event with respect to UC recruiting. We're not even in the ballgame with any of the guys they have lined up. These kids have many many options.




mc

OSU wanted Whyle.

(12-04-2018 03:17 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This is so true. Really hoping Haskins goes pro as well. Suddenly that game becomes a huge opportunity for UC against a new coach coach with a new quarterback.

I can't imagine Haskins stays; he's getting a lot of hype as a rising draft prospect. I think he's easily a top 10 pick and QBs always seem to gravitate higher towards the top of the draft board.

(12-04-2018 03:23 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 03:13 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:57 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

Coaches matter a ton. Look at Urban's record. He's won at an insane level that OSU hasn't won at in decades. If not for coaching at the same time as Saban he'd be frequently discussed as an all time great. Many legendary coaches don't have 3 national titles and he's still only in his mid 50s. It's quite possible that Day keeps them a top 5 program but it's far from a certainty.

I agree. OSU has always had superior resources but wasn't winning consistently at this level until Urban arrived. Texas, the richest athletic program in America can't seem to buy a national championship. And Nebraska has a vault full of money but has remained pretty average of late.

So I don't think OSU falls very far, but I also don't think it's a given that this will be the seamless transition that some of its fans anticipate.

Does everyone here have short term memories? While I agree Urban was on a different level, and has OSU playing as an elite program matched by only 3 or so other teams... Jim Tressel went 106-22 in 10 years with Ohio State. He ushered in an era of success at OSU that they had not seen since the 60's/70's.

I would argue that Tressel had to play in a much tougher Big 10 than Urban did. OSU has been at the top of the mountain since 2002.

I know it's not healthy to have thoughts like this, but I'd love to see them fall. Even if it's just for a while.

(12-04-2018 03:46 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 03:17 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This is so true. Really hoping Haskins goes pro as well. Suddenly that game becomes a huge opportunity for UC against a new coach coach with a new quarterback.

I can't imagine Haskins stays; he's getting a lot of hype as a rising draft prospect. I think he's easily a top 10 pick and QBs always seem to gravitate higher towards the top of the draft board.

If scouts are suggesting Round 1-2 one should leave early.

(12-04-2018 03:53 PM)Banter Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 03:23 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 03:13 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:57 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

Coaches matter a ton. Look at Urban's record. He's won at an insane level that OSU hasn't won at in decades. If not for coaching at the same time as Saban he'd be frequently discussed as an all time great. Many legendary coaches don't have 3 national titles and he's still only in his mid 50s. It's quite possible that Day keeps them a top 5 program but it's far from a certainty.

I agree. OSU has always had superior resources but wasn't winning consistently at this level until Urban arrived. Texas, the richest athletic program in America can't seem to buy a national championship. And Nebraska has a vault full of money but has remained pretty average of late.

So I don't think OSU falls very far, but I also don't think it's a given that this will be the seamless transition that some of its fans anticipate.

Does everyone here have short term memories? While I agree Urban was on a different level, and has OSU playing as an elite program matched by only 3 or so other teams... Jim Tressel went 106-22 in 10 years with Ohio State. He ushered in an era of success at OSU that they had not seen since the 60's/70's.

I would argue that Tressel had to play in a much tougher Big 10 than Urban did. OSU has been at the top of the mountain since 2002.

Agree with Banter here. I think 99% of the schools in America would take Tressel's .828 winning percentage a 10 year period, a national title and two BCS NCG'. I'm assuming they meant he was not as dominant as Meyer but I think that is a product of the two different coaching styles. Tressel's conservative play-calling often made the Buckeyes appear to be more vulnerable but fact be told it resulted in a lot of wins.

(12-04-2018 03:03 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:57 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:34 AM)dj3600 Wrote:  I wonder if we could steal any recruits with Meyers leaving.

The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

If to$u loses a recruit I regret those will end up at other P5 locations. Sad but true.

Thought you said Vrabel was gonna be the next coach.

(12-04-2018 03:53 PM)Banter Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 03:23 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 03:13 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:57 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

Coaches matter a ton. Look at Urban's record. He's won at an insane level that OSU hasn't won at in decades. If not for coaching at the same time as Saban he'd be frequently discussed as an all time great. Many legendary coaches don't have 3 national titles and he's still only in his mid 50s. It's quite possible that Day keeps them a top 5 program but it's far from a certainty.

I agree. OSU has always had superior resources but wasn't winning consistently at this level until Urban arrived. Texas, the richest athletic program in America can't seem to buy a national championship. And Nebraska has a vault full of money but has remained pretty average of late.

So I don't think OSU falls very far, but I also don't think it's a given that this will be the seamless transition that some of its fans anticipate.

Does everyone here have short term memories? While I agree Urban was on a different level, and has OSU playing as an elite program matched by only 3 or so other teams... Jim Tressel went 106-22 in 10 years with Ohio State. He ushered in an era of success at OSU that they had not seen since the 60's/70's.

I would argue that Tressel had to play in a much tougher Big 10 than Urban did. OSU has been at the top of the mountain since 2002.

Tressel also coached in 3 National Championship games. How many coaches can say that? He just happened to lose 2 of the 3 or he'd be mentioned in the same breath as Meyer.

Tressel was undoubtedly a great coach. Then they hired Meyer who was a sure thing, can't miss. Maybe they find another Tressel here, but there is no guarantee.

Just the uncertainty that comes with Ryan Day is enough to chalk this up as a win for us. He may very well be a good coach but he doesn't bring the stability that Urban or Tressel did. No one would, for that matter.

With Haskins leaving and a defense that has been suspect for most of the year, you have to think we might be able to pull of the upset next year.

(12-04-2018 04:11 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 03:03 PM)doss2 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:57 PM)dj3600 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:34 AM)dj3600 Wrote:  I wonder if we could steal any recruits with Meyers leaving.

The caliber of athlete and program that is involved in that transaction...they aren't committing to the coach as much as the brand, and OSU is still OSU.

I understand that OSU will get some recruits just because of their name. However Alabama was not doing as well before Saban. If the coaching change results in one or two more recruits going to UC great.

If to$u loses a recruit I regret those will end up at other P5 locations. Sad but true.

Thought you said Vrabel was gonna be the next coach.

My sources say Vrabel was not willing to discuss until NFL season ended. Because Urbie's timing they were unwilling to wait.

Good response from uc after several sloppy moments this half.