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For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

(11-28-2018 01:46 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

(11-28-2018 05:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:46 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

Where would be the best place to mark it? I used to carry an annual planner, and kept important reminders in the back. Now I sometimes use the Notes feature on my phone, or the back of my hand (left calf for important reminders). Any suggestions, notduanebutinexplicablyworsethanDuane?

(11-28-2018 05:58 PM)geef Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:46 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

Where would be the best place to mark it? I used to carry an annual planner, and kept important reminders in the back. Now I sometimes use the Notes feature on my phone, or the back of my hand (left calf for important reminders). Any suggestions, notduanebutinexplicablyworsethanDuane?

Post-it notes stuck to your shirt are very effective and they make quite a fashion statement as well.

(11-28-2018 05:58 PM)geef Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:46 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

Where would be the best place to mark it? I used to carry an annual planner, and kept important reminders in the back. Now I sometimes use the Notes feature on my phone, or the back of my hand (left calf for important reminders). Any suggestions, notduanebutinexplicablyworsethanDuane?

The P5 would probably pay you to get a tat advertising a stronger version of that group of conferences..or maybe they could pay you to send letters of condolence to:

Vanderbilt
Ole Miss
Rutgers
Northwestern
Texas Tech
NC State
Wake Forest
Washington State
Oregon State

Be my guest...

(11-28-2018 05:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:46 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

probably

but either way, the Big East is on the outside looking in as well (and that means XU too).

(11-28-2018 08:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:46 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

probably

but either way, the Big East is on the outside looking in as well (and that means XU too).

Does that include Villanova?

....Silence....is golden.....

(11-28-2018 09:20 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 08:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:46 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

probably

but either way, the Big East is on the outside looking in as well (and that means XU too).

Does that include Villanova?

....Silence....is golden.....

of course this is anecdotal but I've seen fans of P5 teams talking in other forums and they were calling Nova mid-major. I'm not saying I agree, but the point is...to many football fans that are casual basketball fans, Nova is mid major because they do not have a p5 football program.

sorry if this hurts your feel goods

(11-28-2018 10:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:20 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 08:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:46 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

probably

but either way, the Big East is on the outside looking in as well (and that means XU too).

Does that include Villanova?

....Silence....is golden.....

of course this is anecdotal but I've seen fans of P5 teams talking in other forums and they were calling Nova mid-major. I'm not saying I agree, but the point is...to many football fans that are casual basketball fans, Nova is mid major because they do not have a p5 football program.

sorry if this hurts your feel goods

Outside of Cincinnati, where apparently it is sacrilegious to say anything bad about Egg-savier, and a few BE locals - individuals do not include the New BE with Cartel 5. Most fans I run into look at them as a mid-major. Nova keeps them in the conversation sometimes, however as a team outside the Cartel 5, similar to Gonzaga.

(11-29-2018 12:23 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 10:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:20 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 08:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

probably

but either way, the Big East is on the outside looking in as well (and that means XU too).

Does that include Villanova?

....Silence....is golden.....

of course this is anecdotal but I've seen fans of P5 teams talking in other forums and they were calling Nova mid-major. I'm not saying I agree, but the point is...to many football fans that are casual basketball fans, Nova is mid major because they do not have a p5 football program.

sorry if this hurts your feel goods

Outside of Cincinnati, where apparently it is sacrilegious to say anything bad about Egg-savier, and a few BE locals - individuals do not include the New BE with Cartel 5. Most fans I run into look at them as a mid-major. Nova keeps them in the conversation sometimes, however as a team outside the Cartel 5, similar to Gonzaga.

Amusing, but some (new) Big East fans have actually co-opted the term P6 and use it in reference to their post breakup, watered down basketball conference. "P (insert number here)" is about college football, only.

I'm not saying that's a bad basketball conference either. Villanova peaked shortly after the breakup and deserves lots of credit for a pair of championships. After that though, no other program has reached the Final Four since formation.

(11-29-2018 12:58 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:23 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 10:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:20 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 08:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  probably

but either way, the Big East is on the outside looking in as well (and that means XU too).

Does that include Villanova?

....Silence....is golden.....

of course this is anecdotal but I've seen fans of P5 teams talking in other forums and they were calling Nova mid-major. I'm not saying I agree, but the point is...to many football fans that are casual basketball fans, Nova is mid major because they do not have a p5 football program.

sorry if this hurts your feel goods

Outside of Cincinnati, where apparently it is sacrilegious to say anything bad about Egg-savier, and a few BE locals - individuals do not include the New BE with Cartel 5. Most fans I run into look at them as a mid-major. Nova keeps them in the conversation sometimes, however as a team outside the Cartel 5, similar to Gonzaga.

Amusing, but some (new) Big East fans have actually co-opted the term P6 and use it in reference to their post breakup, watered down basketball conference. "P (insert number here)" is about college football, only.

I'm not saying that's a bad basketball conference either. Villanova peaked shortly after the breakup and deserves lots of credit for a pair of championships. After that though, no other program has reached the Final Four since formation.

It's not just Big East fans, the networks have adopted that term as well. Actually, ESPN referred to the AAC as a "Power 7" conference in a few games last year on the tv guide.

Out on the Conference realignment board, most consider the Big East and AAC* a "tweener" conference in hoops. Not P5 but not exactly the Horizon League either.

* In full disclosure there is some debate as to whether they include us in the category. There are a lot of AAC haters on that forum.

(11-29-2018 01:18 PM)The Big O Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:58 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:23 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 10:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:20 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  Does that include Villanova?

....Silence....is golden.....

of course this is anecdotal but I've seen fans of P5 teams talking in other forums and they were calling Nova mid-major. I'm not saying I agree, but the point is...to many football fans that are casual basketball fans, Nova is mid major because they do not have a p5 football program.

sorry if this hurts your feel goods

Outside of Cincinnati, where apparently it is sacrilegious to say anything bad about Egg-savier, and a few BE locals - individuals do not include the New BE with Cartel 5. Most fans I run into look at them as a mid-major. Nova keeps them in the conversation sometimes, however as a team outside the Cartel 5, similar to Gonzaga.

Amusing, but some (new) Big East fans have actually co-opted the term P6 and use it in reference to their post breakup, watered down basketball conference. "P (insert number here)" is about college football, only.

I'm not saying that's a bad basketball conference either. Villanova peaked shortly after the breakup and deserves lots of credit for a pair of championships. After that though, no other program has reached the Final Four since formation.

It's not just Big East fans, the networks have adopted that term as well. Actually, ESPN referred to the AAC as a "Power 7" conference in a few games last year on the tv guide.

Power 7 is a joke.. Can't we just have majors and mid-majors? If your conference routinely sends multiple teams to the tournament you're major (or say 3 teams or more routinely.) If your conference is a 1 bid league or a conference who occasionally gets a second bid or third bid, you're mid-major. Argue number thresholds?

AAC can be expected to get 3-5 bids every year and the Big East anywhere from 4-6. If they're mid-major so is the Pac12 and SEC. To call a conference "inferior" or "little" as mid-major implies because they don't play football is absurd.

I was curious so I checked some numbers of bids by conference by year:
2018 Tournament Bids: Big East (6), American (3), A10 (3), Pac12 (3)
2017 Tournament Bids: Big East (7), A10 (3), American (2)
2016 Tournament Bids: Big East (5), American (4), SEC (3), A10 (3)
2015 Tournament Bids: Big East (6), A10 (3), American (2),
2014 Tournament Bids: A10 (6), American (4), Big East (4), SEC (3)

Championships by Conference
American - 6
Big East - 5
Big 12 - 5
Big 10 - 11 (6 outside of Indiana with 5)
SEC - 11 (3 outside of UK with 8)
Pac 12 - 16 (5 outside of UCLA with 11)
...shows our conference has some historical relevance.

(11-28-2018 10:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:20 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 08:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:34 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:46 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  For better or worse, the American bridges that sizable chasm between G5 and P5. So unless the 2019 TV negotiation really enriches the conference (not holding my breath on that), we will remain a schizophrenic alliance: half the schools that compete effectively against the P5; half that can't beat High Point or UNC Wilmington on the basketball court or put 9,000 in the stands for football.

Maybe if TV recognizes this during the contract renewal process, they'll collude with a P5 and cherry pick from the top half. The remainder of the AAC would then reload from other "G" conferences but would look much more like its peer group at that point.

Regarding a conference basketball challenge, if the American wants to be P6, it wouldn't make sense to enter into one of those with a G5 conference. Realizing G5 is a misnomer in basketball, but it's becoming code for "mid-major" in some circles. If the AAC strives to be considered alongside the P5 and Big East in basketball, it only diminishes our brand to have a challenge with the MWC or the Valley. Here again, UC, UCONN and others won't have trouble getting headliner games for TV from the P5. So each man for himself in this case, as the saying goes.

You've got the process backwards...the P5 will shed weak sisters into the G5 and split the pot between fewer members. Mark it down.

probably

but either way, the Big East is on the outside looking in as well (and that means XU too).

Does that include Villanova?

....Silence....is golden.....

of course this is anecdotal but I've seen fans of P5 teams talking in other forums and they were calling Nova mid-major. I'm not saying I agree, but the point is...to many football fans that are casual basketball fans, Nova is mid major because they do not have a p5 football program.

sorry if this hurts your feel goods

Hmm...did that make their championships vanish? Nope...are they an elite MBB program and regular top 10 over the past decade? Yup...

I don't think they give a rat's rear end what a bunch of FB centric fans think...they'll take the championships and the recruits and the exposure and give FB the giant middle finger...

It works for them.

UCF took care of business against Alabama last night in Orlando. Good for them and the AAC.

In the time I watched, 'Bama was unimpressive and we certainly weren't blown away by Ole' Miss watching them against UC last weekend. The SEC, once you get past the top 2-3 teams, isn't very special. But the announcers must have thought so, referring early in the telecast to UCF as a good mid-major test for the Tide. Uninformed and irritating but that seems to be a growing narrative right now. In 2018, if you're not P5 you're mid-major.

(11-30-2018 08:24 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  UCF took care of business against Alabama last night in Orlando. Good for them and the AAC.

In the time I watched, 'Bama was unimpressive and we certainly weren't blown away by Ole' Miss watching them against UC last weekend. The SEC, once you get past the top 2-3 teams, isn't very special. But the announcers must have thought so, referring early in the telecast to UCF as a good mid-major test for the Tide. Uninformed and irritating but that seems to be a growing narrative right now. In 2018, if you're not P5 you're mid-major.

SEC probably has 5 teams better than anybody in the aac. bama and mississippi aren't any good.



thing is about the aac, the league hasn't had a sweet 16 team since louisville was in the league. people probably dont even remember uconn was in the aac when they won that championship.


hard to get too mad at national media and fans when the conference has been unable to get anybody to the 2nd weekend for 4 years.

(11-29-2018 03:23 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 01:18 PM)The Big O Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:58 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:23 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 10:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  of course this is anecdotal but I've seen fans of P5 teams talking in other forums and they were calling Nova mid-major. I'm not saying I agree, but the point is...to many football fans that are casual basketball fans, Nova is mid major because they do not have a p5 football program.

sorry if this hurts your feel goods

Outside of Cincinnati, where apparently it is sacrilegious to say anything bad about Egg-savier, and a few BE locals - individuals do not include the New BE with Cartel 5. Most fans I run into look at them as a mid-major. Nova keeps them in the conversation sometimes, however as a team outside the Cartel 5, similar to Gonzaga.

Amusing, but some (new) Big East fans have actually co-opted the term P6 and use it in reference to their post breakup, watered down basketball conference. "P (insert number here)" is about college football, only.

I'm not saying that's a bad basketball conference either. Villanova peaked shortly after the breakup and deserves lots of credit for a pair of championships. After that though, no other program has reached the Final Four since formation.

It's not just Big East fans, the networks have adopted that term as well. Actually, ESPN referred to the AAC as a "Power 7" conference in a few games last year on the tv guide.

Power 7 is a joke.. Can't we just have majors and mid-majors? If your conference routinely sends multiple teams to the tournament you're major (or say 3 teams or more routinely.) If your conference is a 1 bid league or a conference who occasionally gets a second bid or third bid, you're mid-major. Argue number thresholds?

AAC can be expected to get 3-5 bids every year and the Big East anywhere from 4-6. If they're mid-major so is the Pac12 and SEC. To call a conference "inferior" or "little" as mid-major implies because they don't play football is absurd.

I was curious so I checked some numbers of bids by conference by year:
2018 Tournament Bids: Big East (6), American (3), A10 (3), Pac12 (3)
2017 Tournament Bids: Big East (7), A10 (3), American (2)
2016 Tournament Bids: Big East (5), American (4), SEC (3), A10 (3)
2015 Tournament Bids: Big East (6), A10 (3), American (2),
2014 Tournament Bids: A10 (6), American (4), Big East (4), SEC (3)

Championships by Conference
American - 6
Big East - 5
Big 12 - 5
Big 10 - 11 (6 outside of Indiana with 5)
SEC - 11 (3 outside of UK with 8)
Pac 12 - 16 (5 outside of UCLA with 11)
...shows our conference has some historical relevance.

I have never understood why fans adopt what media outlets tell them. Major, mid-major, P5, G5 are all espn created terms. Fans gobble these up as fact. Why can't a fan think for themselves, instead of parroting what some balloon head on espn tells them? Also, these terms follow all teams within a particular conf, not a teams individual performance.

You could say Nova is performing at a Major level in bball. Bama obviously in Fball. However, the is nothing major about DePaul, St John, Seton Hall. Georgetown is no longer Major in bball. In Fball Rutgers, Vandy, IU, Purdue, GTech, BC, Iowa St, ect. are no where near being Major programs. Media welfare recipients is more like it.

UCF look good v AL. BJ drove and shoot well. Fall was still tall.

All UCF needed was an opportunity to beat Alabama.

(11-30-2018 12:27 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 03:23 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 01:18 PM)The Big O Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:58 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:23 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Outside of Cincinnati, where apparently it is sacrilegious to say anything bad about Egg-savier, and a few BE locals - individuals do not include the New BE with Cartel 5. Most fans I run into look at them as a mid-major. Nova keeps them in the conversation sometimes, however as a team outside the Cartel 5, similar to Gonzaga.

Amusing, but some (new) Big East fans have actually co-opted the term P6 and use it in reference to their post breakup, watered down basketball conference. "P (insert number here)" is about college football, only.

I'm not saying that's a bad basketball conference either. Villanova peaked shortly after the breakup and deserves lots of credit for a pair of championships. After that though, no other program has reached the Final Four since formation.

It's not just Big East fans, the networks have adopted that term as well. Actually, ESPN referred to the AAC as a "Power 7" conference in a few games last year on the tv guide.

Power 7 is a joke.. Can't we just have majors and mid-majors? If your conference routinely sends multiple teams to the tournament you're major (or say 3 teams or more routinely.) If your conference is a 1 bid league or a conference who occasionally gets a second bid or third bid, you're mid-major. Argue number thresholds?

AAC can be expected to get 3-5 bids every year and the Big East anywhere from 4-6. If they're mid-major so is the Pac12 and SEC. To call a conference "inferior" or "little" as mid-major implies because they don't play football is absurd.

I was curious so I checked some numbers of bids by conference by year:
2018 Tournament Bids: Big East (6), American (3), A10 (3), Pac12 (3)
2017 Tournament Bids: Big East (7), A10 (3), American (2)
2016 Tournament Bids: Big East (5), American (4), SEC (3), A10 (3)
2015 Tournament Bids: Big East (6), A10 (3), American (2),
2014 Tournament Bids: A10 (6), American (4), Big East (4), SEC (3)

Championships by Conference
American - 6
Big East - 5
Big 12 - 5
Big 10 - 11 (6 outside of Indiana with 5)
SEC - 11 (3 outside of UK with 8)
Pac 12 - 16 (5 outside of UCLA with 11)
...shows our conference has some historical relevance.

I have never understood why fans adopt what media outlets tell them. Major, mid-major, P5, G5 are all espn created terms. Fans gobble these up as fact. Why can't a fan think for themselves, instead of parroting what some balloon head on espn tells them? Also, these terms follow all teams within a particular conf, not a teams individual performance.

You could say Nova is performing at a Major level in bball. Bama obviously in Fball. However, the is nothing major about DePaul, St John, Seton Hall. Georgetown is no longer Major in bball. In Fball Rutgers, Vandy, IU, Purdue, GTech, BC, Iowa St, ect. are no where near being Major programs. Media welfare recipients is more like it.

Kansas worst of all