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(11-07-2018 09:52 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nick Foles
Russell Wilson
Joe Flacco
Brad Johnson

Look at last year's final four teams... Tom Brady (the exception), Blake Bortles, Case Keenum, and Nick Foles.

Are comparing Pro football teams of MAC football teams?

(11-07-2018 10:01 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:52 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nick Foles
Russell Wilson
Joe Flacco
Brad Johnson

Look at last year's final four teams... Tom Brady (the exception), Blake Bortles, Case Keenum, and Nick Foles.

Are comparing Pro football teams of MAC football teams?

I was adding to the list of two previous posts that included NFL quarterbacks...

Shaky QB play? Are you serious ? The defense has given up nearly 100pts in two games! How can you even begin to point the finger at the QB? With or without Wassink you are going to lose games giving up that many points. The Eleby kid was thrown into the fire and played well considering the circumstances. Wassink goes down for the 2nd year in a row before the real schedule begins. Last year Goddard took the blame, now Eleby? Let's keep it real and focus on the TRUE problem. DEFENSE!!! Coach Lester refuses to address this with any validity. The Wassink era should be over at WMU. Does Lester start an injury prone Wassink next year over Eleby ? Will Eleby want to sit or redshirt after playing this year? Eleby is highest ranked QB recruit in the programs history! Let's hope he wants to stick around if he has to play behind Wassink next year.

(11-06-2018 01:44 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 01:08 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  Lester's coaching record with Wassink playing: 12 -5

With Wassink out: 1-5

It is a shame this injury occurred TWICE.

I would say with Wassink we beat NIU & CMU (definitely) last year. Not Toledo.

This year? Maybe the Toledo game would have gone differently, but that was really on the defensive gameplan in my mind. The Ohio game? I hope we didn't lose our minds in the first half because of a lack of confidence in Eleby.

Let's see what happens at Ball State. Their team has seriously derailed the last three games. Maybe we're talented enough to overpower them regardless of shaky QB play, but they've also stuck with Notre Dame. Are they smart enough to challenge Eleby or will they stick with their vanilla plan on defense?

I do hope though that people realize Eleby performing so well against Toledo was a bit of a fluke, and people who were already insinuating that Wassink might be benched were way off the mark. Toledo had zero prep for him, Eleby was playing on pure adrenaline, and Toledo didn't appear to try to test him as a young player. Ohio tested him and exposed that he still has much to learn before reaching the clear potential he has.

Anyone know what the depth chart at QB looks like?

I've been surprised Riddle hasn't gotten a look before Eleby. I remember there was so much excitement with the Riddle commit, and I haven't read basically anything sense. He feels like he could be better for the current system. Eleby's 10 for 19 with 2 picks is a brutal stat line for someone in their 3rd start

(11-08-2018 12:40 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  Anyone know what the depth chart at QB looks like?

I've been surprised Riddle hasn't gotten a look before Eleby. I remember there was so much excitement with the Riddle commit, and I haven't read basically anything sense. He feels like he could be better for the current system. Eleby's 10 for 19 with 2 picks is a brutal stat line for someone in their 3rd start

It was his first start, second appearance, in a driving rain with conservative playcalls that put him in numerous 3rd and long situations. Against a very solid defensive coaching staff.

Eleby is fine. Also not sure what "excitement" you're referring to. Believe Riddle is a preferred walk-on.

Lester's coaching record with Wassink against inferior teams 12-5? Wassink has been injured the past two years before the toughest part of the schedule begins. It's time to move on! Wassink proved that he had the tools against weaker teams, but what about the games that actually count? Does Lester take that chance again with an injury prone QB with screws in his foot now? Does he give Eleby a fair chance of winning the starting job over Wassink next year? Coach Lester has a lot to think about for sure!

(11-06-2018 01:08 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  Lester's coaching record with Wassink playing: 12 -5

With Wassink out: 1-5

It is a shame this injury occurred TWICE.

(11-08-2018 01:07 PM)scott357 Wrote:  Lester's coaching record with Wassink against inferior teams 12-5?

Actually it's 12-1.

Unless you are counting USC, Michigan State, Michigan, and Syracuse as Inferior teams.

Fair enough. It's a shame we don't know what Wassink would have done against teams that actually count in our conference. Maybe we would have won the last two games if he was our starting QB?

(11-08-2018 02:17 PM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 01:07 PM)scott357 Wrote:  Lester's coaching record with Wassink against inferior teams 12-5?

Actually it's 12-1.

Unless you are counting USC, Michigan State, Michigan, and Syracuse as Inferior teams.

(11-08-2018 02:41 PM)scott357 Wrote:  Maybe we would have won the last two games if he was our starting QB?

Toledo, maybe. Ohio, I just don't see it.

The Toledo game really came down to a handful of plays spread over about 7 minutes. The Ohio game was a comedy of errors the likes I have never seen before spread over an entire half. It's so hard to tell, because there is such a butterfly effect. One play early on can completely change the course of every play after. It's all speculative anyway. The only think we can do is hope we get more EMU, CMU or GSU defense and more Miami, Syracuse, BGSU offense...once it got rolling, that is.

I’ve spent the last few minutes looking for FBS teams ranked by opponent’s average starting field position. Can’t seem to find it.

We’ve gotta be at (or very near) the bottom in that category.

I bring this up not to scapegoat the defense, but it matters. A lot.

(11-08-2018 12:40 PM)scott357 Wrote:  Shaky QB play? Are you serious ? The defense has given up nearly 100pts in two games! How can you even begin to point the finger at the QB? With or without Wassink you are going to lose games giving up that many points. The Eleby kid was thrown into the fire and played well considering the circumstances. Wassink goes down for the 2nd year in a row before the real schedule begins. Last year Goddard took the blame, now Eleby? Let's keep it real and focus on the TRUE problem. DEFENSE!!! Coach Lester refuses to address this with any validity. The Wassink era should be over at WMU. Does Lester start an injury prone Wassink next year over Eleby ? Will Eleby want to sit or redshirt after playing this year? Eleby is highest ranked QB recruit in the programs history! Let's hope he wants to stick around if he has to play behind Wassink next year.

(11-06-2018 01:44 PM)RunningGame Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 01:08 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  Lester's coaching record with Wassink playing: 12 -5

With Wassink out: 1-5

It is a shame this injury occurred TWICE.

I would say with Wassink we beat NIU & CMU (definitely) last year. Not Toledo.

This year? Maybe the Toledo game would have gone differently, but that was really on the defensive gameplan in my mind. The Ohio game? I hope we didn't lose our minds in the first half because of a lack of confidence in Eleby.

Let's see what happens at Ball State. Their team has seriously derailed the last three games. Maybe we're talented enough to overpower them regardless of shaky QB play, but they've also stuck with Notre Dame. Are they smart enough to challenge Eleby or will they stick with their vanilla plan on defense?

I do hope though that people realize Eleby performing so well against Toledo was a bit of a fluke, and people who were already insinuating that Wassink might be benched were way off the mark. Toledo had zero prep for him, Eleby was playing on pure adrenaline, and Toledo didn't appear to try to test him as a young player. Ohio tested him and exposed that he still has much to learn before reaching the clear potential he has.

Eleby was shaken mentally against Ohio. That's no reflection on his talent or heart, but a reflection of experience. There's nothing he can do about it but keep soldiering on. I'm sure he'll be fine and look forward to seeing his entire career, but he's going to have to prove he can carry the team if he wants to be starting next season.

You're putting an awful lot of pressure on a guy who has to master the game from a lot of aspects. I'm saying he just needs to play with confidence and we'll be fine with him still learning mastery.

(11-08-2018 12:40 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  Anyone know what the depth chart at QB looks like?

I've been surprised Riddle hasn't gotten a look before Eleby. I remember there was so much excitement with the Riddle commit, and I haven't read basically anything sense. He feels like he could be better for the current system. Eleby's 10 for 19 with 2 picks is a brutal stat line for someone in their 3rd start

Depth chart is Eleby, Mussatt, Rector then Riddle. Riddle plays scout team QB and WR. Rector was scout team QB and WR all season as well. Does not know much of the playbook. Mussatt is the backup now. Knows the offense well from what I hear.

(11-08-2018 06:43 PM)Football1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 12:40 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  Anyone know what the depth chart at QB looks like?

I've been surprised Riddle hasn't gotten a look before Eleby. I remember there was so much excitement with the Riddle commit, and I haven't read basically anything sense. He feels like he could be better for the current system. Eleby's 10 for 19 with 2 picks is a brutal stat line for someone in their 3rd start

Depth chart is Eleby, Mussatt, Rector then Riddle. Riddle plays scout team QB and WR. Rector was scout team QB and WR all season as well. Does not know much of the playbook. Mussatt is the backup now. Knows the offense well from what I hear.

I have NO idea why Rector hasn't at least gotten a look. From what I've heard, he knows the playbook but hasn't gotten a chance to show anything because of Wassink & Eleby. Ask our defense how he has done on scout? He is a stud. Number 1 passing QB in Florida last year and didn't make the playoffs either. A true dual threat. He scored 100 total TDs in his high school career according to Maxpreps and that was being hurt his junior year too. The kid threw for almost 600 yards and rushed for over 100 in a rivalry game. We were all gung ho on this kid when he committed and then signed. We have 4 losses and all have been to dual threat QBs. Eleby can not run at all. That is obvious. With John now out for the year, why hasn't the only true dual threat we have on the team at least get looks? Have you seen the kids measureables and highlights? Gamer. Mussat does know the offense. I agree. That really comes from being the signal caller too. Hoping they give this one a shot to prove himself. Otherwise we might lose him too like the previous post said about Eleby if John comes back next year. Then we will be screwed for real. Rector can still get his red shirt and Eleby can if the coaches don't play him in one of the last games. Then at least we can have 2 QBs next season coming off a redshirt season and have them both for 4 more. Any thoughts?
Time will tell. Hoping for the best.

(11-08-2018 10:45 PM)Broncobilly71 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 06:43 PM)Football1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 12:40 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  Anyone know what the depth chart at QB looks like?

I've been surprised Riddle hasn't gotten a look before Eleby. I remember there was so much excitement with the Riddle commit, and I haven't read basically anything sense. He feels like he could be better for the current system. Eleby's 10 for 19 with 2 picks is a brutal stat line for someone in their 3rd start

Depth chart is Eleby, Mussatt, Rector then Riddle. Riddle plays scout team QB and WR. Rector was scout team QB and WR all season as well. Does not know much of the playbook. Mussatt is the backup now. Knows the offense well from what I hear.

I have NO idea why Rector hasn't at least gotten a look. From what I've heard, he knows the playbook but hasn't gotten a chance to show anything because of Wassink & Eleby. Ask our defense how he has done on scout? He is a stud. Number 1 passing QB in Florida last year and didn't make the playoffs either. A true dual threat. He scored 100 total TDs in his high school career according to Maxpreps and that was being hurt his junior year too. The kid threw for almost 600 yards and rushed for over 100 in a rivalry game. We were all gung ho on this kid when he committed and then signed. We have 4 losses and all have been to dual threat QBs. Eleby can not run at all. That is obvious. With John now out for the year, why hasn't the only true dual threat we have on the team at least get looks? Have you seen the kids measureables and highlights? Gamer. Mussat does know the offense. I agree. That really comes from being the signal caller too. Hoping they give this one a shot to prove himself. Otherwise we might lose him too like the previous post said about Eleby if John comes back next year. Then we will be screwed for real. Rector can still get his red shirt and Eleby can if the coaches don't play him in one of the last games. Then at least we can have 2 QBs next season coming off a redshirt season and have them both for 4 more. Any thoughts?
Time will tell. Hoping for the best.

It's great to have you here Mr. Rector.

In all seriousness, if Lester believes Eleby is the best QB on the roster, then I believe he should be playing until we're out of the race for a championship.

Then, I could see giving Rector a shot.

(11-09-2018 08:19 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 10:45 PM)Broncobilly71 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 06:43 PM)Football1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 12:40 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  Anyone know what the depth chart at QB looks like?

I've been surprised Riddle hasn't gotten a look before Eleby. I remember there was so much excitement with the Riddle commit, and I haven't read basically anything sense. He feels like he could be better for the current system. Eleby's 10 for 19 with 2 picks is a brutal stat line for someone in their 3rd start

Depth chart is Eleby, Mussatt, Rector then Riddle. Riddle plays scout team QB and WR. Rector was scout team QB and WR all season as well. Does not know much of the playbook. Mussatt is the backup now. Knows the offense well from what I hear.

I have NO idea why Rector hasn't at least gotten a look. From what I've heard, he knows the playbook but hasn't gotten a chance to show anything because of Wassink & Eleby. Ask our defense how he has done on scout? He is a stud. Number 1 passing QB in Florida last year and didn't make the playoffs either. A true dual threat. He scored 100 total TDs in his high school career according to Maxpreps and that was being hurt his junior year too. The kid threw for almost 600 yards and rushed for over 100 in a rivalry game. We were all gung ho on this kid when he committed and then signed. We have 4 losses and all have been to dual threat QBs. Eleby can not run at all. That is obvious. With John now out for the year, why hasn't the only true dual threat we have on the team at least get looks? Have you seen the kids measureables and highlights? Gamer. Mussat does know the offense. I agree. That really comes from being the signal caller too. Hoping they give this one a shot to prove himself. Otherwise we might lose him too like the previous post said about Eleby if John comes back next year. Then we will be screwed for real. Rector can still get his red shirt and Eleby can if the coaches don't play him in one of the last games. Then at least we can have 2 QBs next season coming off a redshirt season and have them both for 4 more. Any thoughts?
Time will tell. Hoping for the best.

It's great to have you here Mr. Rector.

In all seriousness, if Lester believes Eleby is the best QB on the roster, then I believe he should be playing until we're out of the race for a championship.

Then, I could see giving Rector a shot.

Mr. Rector? I think not. Mrs. Jensvold. I live in South Carolina. I started following his recruitment when he committed. As well as Eleby, as well as whole class of 2018. Eleby has all the tools to be a great college QB. I do agree with one of the previous post on him at Toledo. No film on him. Pure adrenaline. It showed he has it. I do like that Lester isn’t afraid to play a freshman. Many schools are. Just curious. I actually was hoping they would offer the kid from my hometown for last year’s class. Craig Gant. But oh well. I’m a football mom at heart. True sports nut. I agree with you mid line comment though. Whatever it takes to win. We still have a shot. Even a good bowl game. I for one am excited.

I agree that Rector and Mussat should both get a chance to prove themselves. I honestly don't think Wassink is the answer anymore. Coach Lester MUST realize this if he wants to keep his young QB's at WMU. We saw what Goddard did when he realized he wasn't going to play once Wassink returned. He was thrown into the fire last year when Wassink went down and had hopes of competing for the starting job this year. Coach Lester told him that Wassink was their guy before training camp even began! Do you think Eleby will go for that? He is highest ranked QB in the programs history. With his arm and talent level bigger schools would take him in a heart beat! Rector and Mussat have been waiting patiently and now is the time to give them an opportunity to play.

(11-08-2018 10:45 PM)Broncobilly71 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 06:43 PM)Football1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 12:40 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  Anyone know what the depth chart at QB looks like?

I've been surprised Riddle hasn't gotten a look before Eleby. I remember there was so much excitement with the Riddle commit, and I haven't read basically anything sense. He feels like he could be better for the current system. Eleby's 10 for 19 with 2 picks is a brutal stat line for someone in their 3rd start

Depth chart is Eleby, Mussatt, Rector then Riddle. Riddle plays scout team QB and WR. Rector was scout team QB and WR all season as well. Does not know much of the playbook. Mussatt is the backup now. Knows the offense well from what I hear.

I have NO idea why Rector hasn't at least gotten a look. From what I've heard, he knows the playbook but hasn't gotten a chance to show anything because of Wassink & Eleby. Ask our defense how he has done on scout? He is a stud. Number 1 passing QB in Florida last year and didn't make the playoffs either. A true dual threat. He scored 100 total TDs in his high school career according to Maxpreps and that was being hurt his junior year too. The kid threw for almost 600 yards and rushed for over 100 in a rivalry game. We were all gung ho on this kid when he committed and then signed. We have 4 losses and all have been to dual threat QBs. Eleby can not run at all. That is obvious. With John now out for the year, why hasn't the only true dual threat we have on the team at least get looks? Have you seen the kids measureables and highlights? Gamer. Mussat does know the offense. I agree. That really comes from being the signal caller too. Hoping they give this one a shot to prove himself. Otherwise we might lose him too like the previous post said about Eleby if John comes back next year. Then we will be screwed for real. Rector can still get his red shirt and Eleby can if the coaches don't play him in one of the last games. Then at least we can have 2 QBs next season coming off a redshirt season and have them both for 4 more. Any thoughts?
Time will tell. Hoping for the best.

(11-09-2018 08:49 AM)scott357 Wrote:  We saw what Goddard did when he realized he wasn't going to play once Wassink returned. He was thrown into the fire last year when Wassink went down and had hopes of competing for the starting job this year. Coach Lester told him that Wassink was their guy before training camp even began! Do you think Eleby will go for that?

There are a couple differences here.

First, next season Eleby will only need to wait one year if Wassink gets the job, not a long time to 'wait his turn'.

Secondly, sounds like Goddard's heart wasn't into the sport anyhow. It's not like he transferred to some FCS or DII school to play football. He switched to track and field. Eleby is likely more focused on a football future.

(11-09-2018 08:49 AM)scott357 Wrote:  I agree that Rector and Mussat should both get a chance to prove themselves. I honestly don't think Wassink is the answer anymore. Coach Lester MUST realize this if he wants to keep his young QB's at WMU. We saw what Goddard did when he realized he wasn't going to play once Wassink returned. He was thrown into the fire last year when Wassink went down and had hopes of competing for the starting job this year. Coach Lester told him that Wassink was their guy before training camp even began! Do you think Eleby will go for that? He is highest ranked QB in the programs history. With his arm and talent level bigger schools would take him in a heart beat! Rector and Mussat have been waiting patiently and now is the time to give them an opportunity to play.

(11-08-2018 10:45 PM)Broncobilly71 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 06:43 PM)Football1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2018 12:40 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  Anyone know what the depth chart at QB looks like?

I've been surprised Riddle hasn't gotten a look before Eleby. I remember there was so much excitement with the Riddle commit, and I haven't read basically anything sense. He feels like he could be better for the current system. Eleby's 10 for 19 with 2 picks is a brutal stat line for someone in their 3rd start

Depth chart is Eleby, Mussatt, Rector then Riddle. Riddle plays scout team QB and WR. Rector was scout team QB and WR all season as well. Does not know much of the playbook. Mussatt is the backup now. Knows the offense well from what I hear.

I have NO idea why Rector hasn't at least gotten a look. From what I've heard, he knows the playbook but hasn't gotten a chance to show anything because of Wassink & Eleby. Ask our defense how he has done on scout? He is a stud. Number 1 passing QB in Florida last year and didn't make the playoffs either. A true dual threat. He scored 100 total TDs in his high school career according to Maxpreps and that was being hurt his junior year too. The kid threw for almost 600 yards and rushed for over 100 in a rivalry game. We were all gung ho on this kid when he committed and then signed. We have 4 losses and all have been to dual threat QBs. Eleby can not run at all. That is obvious. With John now out for the year, why hasn't the only true dual threat we have on the team at least get looks? Have you seen the kids measureables and highlights? Gamer. Mussat does know the offense. I agree. That really comes from being the signal caller too. Hoping they give this one a shot to prove himself. Otherwise we might lose him too like the previous post said about Eleby if John comes back next year. Then we will be screwed for real. Rector can still get his red shirt and Eleby can if the coaches don't play him in one of the last games. Then at least we can have 2 QBs next season coming off a redshirt season and have them both for 4 more. Any thoughts?
Time will tell. Hoping for the best.

I agree with you 100%. What’s best for the team period. We still have a chance to play in Detroit. What’s the point of get highly rated players if we can’t keep them?

(11-09-2018 09:02 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(11-09-2018 08:49 AM)scott357 Wrote:  We saw what Goddard did when he realized he wasn't going to play once Wassink returned. He was thrown into the fire last year when Wassink went down and had hopes of competing for the starting job this year. Coach Lester told him that Wassink was their guy before training camp even began! Do you think Eleby will go for that?

There are a couple differences here.

First, next season Eleby will only need to wait one year if Wassink gets the job, not a long time to 'wait his turn'.

Secondly, sounds like Goddard's heart wasn't into the sport anyhow. It's not like he transferred to some FCS or DII school to play football. He switched to track and field. Eleby is likely more focused on a football future.

Wish Goddard would have stuck it it though. Seemed like he would have been an ok bridge between Wassink and our 2 freshman.

If that's the case Eleby needs to sit two games including bowl in order to save his redshirt. Rector and Mussat are both capable of playing! It sounds as though Coach Lester is going to keep playing Eleby after listening to his press conference.

(11-09-2018 09:02 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(11-09-2018 08:49 AM)scott357 Wrote:  We saw what Goddard did when he realized he wasn't going to play once Wassink returned. He was thrown into the fire last year when Wassink went down and had hopes of competing for the starting job this year. Coach Lester told him that Wassink was their guy before training camp even began! Do you think Eleby will go for that?

There are a couple differences here.

First, next season Eleby will only need to wait one year if Wassink gets the job, not a long time to 'wait his turn'.

Secondly, sounds like Goddard's heart wasn't into the sport anyhow. It's not like he transferred to some FCS or DII school to play football. He switched to track and field. Eleby is likely more focused on a football future.