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Not sure if this has already been mentioned, so apologies if so, but the schedule for 11/17 is veryyy rough. SEC plays nobodies. ACC is terrible outside of Clemson. Big Ten, nothing because they are saving themselves for Mich/OSU week after. Big 12 nothing. P12 is terrible. That leaves one viable option for gameday. It's a conference that gets no respect despite having a tv contract with ESPN.

Thoughts on UC/UCF being the site of gameday? I know its not Nippert, which would have been wild, but would still be a really great thing for the school to be represented on gameday and get that type of publicity

Possibly.... but you have to keep in mind there is some "heat" between UCF and ESPN/Kirk Herbstreit right now. A few weeks ago Herbstreit said some unflattering things about the Knights, and ESPN was to host Gameday the following weekend in Jacksonville for the Gators. UCF fans organized a rally at that Gameday to fight their case and eventually ESPN flex their muscle and it did not go forward.

There's also the fact the AAC media deal is coming up in February and a Gameday event there could result in leverage for the AAC in negotiations.

Would not be surprised if it goes to Notre Dame/Syracuse.

(11-05-2018 10:29 AM)thebearcat Wrote:  Not sure if this has already been mentioned, so apologies if so, but the schedule for 11/17 is veryyy rough. SEC plays nobodies. ACC is terrible outside of Clemson. Big Ten, nothing because they are saving themselves for Mich/OSU week after. Big 12 nothing. P12 is terrible. That leaves one viable option for gameday. It's a conference that gets no respect despite having a tv contract with ESPN.

Thoughts on UC/UCF being the site of gameday? I know its not Nippert, which would have been wild, but would still be a really great thing for the school to be represented on gameday and get that type of publicity

If UCF remains undefeated and UC remains ranked and is 9-1, it's a pretty good storyline for Gameday in Orlando. But I'll be surprised if it happens unless it becomes the "token G5" obligation fulfilled.

Will ESPN want to put "P6" on their big stage with strong ratings, going into its contract negotiation with the American next year? Let the conspiracy theories rage on if it doesn't happen...

I've heard it's between Notre Dame /Syracuse in South Bend or UCF/UC in Orlando .

My bet it goes to Notre Dame for the above mentioned reasons regarding UCF and the AAC next contract negotiations

(11-05-2018 10:44 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  I've heard it's between Notre Dame /Syracuse in South Bend or UCF/UC in Orlando .

My bet it goes to Notre Dame for the above mentioned reasons regarding UCF and the AAC next contract negotiations

Notre Dame/Cuse isnt in South Bend, at Yankee Stadium. So it would need to be in Times Square again, bc theres no where near stadium to set it up. And Time Square week before Thanksgiving could be a nightmare

I'm reluctant to say it, but a reliable source says that the AAC negotiations on the new contract are not going that well. A contributing factor apparently is the presence of Tulane, Tulsa and ECU. It was a mistake to add them to this conference and now it is showing in the pocketbook. Apparently, the AAC has looked at alternative broadcast partners, including Facebook and Amazon, but that is a dangerous game as it potentially removes the conference entirely from traditional broadcast carriers, such as ESPN or Fox Sports. At this point, the conference might be required to accept a low ball offer from ESPN in order to remain a visible entity. We apparently are not in a very strong negotiating position, notwithstanding the very respectable level of football and basketball being played by member institutions (a few obvious exceptions aside).

(11-05-2018 11:04 AM)thebearcat Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 10:44 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  I've heard it's between Notre Dame /Syracuse in South Bend or UCF/UC in Orlando .

My bet it goes to Notre Dame for the above mentioned reasons regarding UCF and the AAC next contract negotiations

Notre Dame/Cuse isnt in South Bend, at Yankee Stadium. So it would need to be in Times Square again, bc theres no where near stadium to set it up. And Time Square week before Thanksgiving could be a nightmare

Nightmare if you're trying to get there, but a big crowd looks great on TV....

I thought Notre Dame/Syracuse was already scheduled for 2:30 on NBC? Can this be changed?

(11-05-2018 11:08 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  I'm reluctant to say it, but a reliable source says that the AAC negotiations on the new contract are not going that well. A contributing factor apparently is the presence of Tulane, Tulsa and ECU. It was a mistake to add them to this conference and now it is showing in the pocketbook. Apparently, the AAC has looked at alternative broadcast partners, including Facebook and Amazon, but that is a dangerous game as it potentially removes the conference entirely from traditional broadcast carriers, such as ESPN or Fox Sports. At this point, the conference might be required to accept a low ball offer from ESPN in order to remain a visible entity. We apparently are not in a very strong negotiating position, notwithstanding the very respectable level of football and basketball being played by member institutions (a few obvious exceptions aside).

If true (and I'm not questioning the veracity of your post at all) seems to me it's time to get creative with ESPN and see if they're willing to help re-engineer the conference for the greater good. Tulsa has a smaller enrollment that Xavier, though it has competed somewhat effectively in the conference. Tulane is a prestige private with little following in an SEC state and a city where the students have lots of off campus distractions. ECU has pretty good football but no TV market and their basketball is a perennial anchor dragging down the AAC. Not much upside with any of these and I think we're dreaming if we believe that will change.

So push these three out of the nest and work with ESPN to replace one or all. Or simply go down to smaller divisions and still host a conference championship game as the Big 12 plans to do. Maybe TV would prefer quality over quantity for the American and the per school share would improve. The conference's short history suggests the top is strong in both sports and features large universities with some national profiles. ESPN can showcase those schools much more cheaply in the AAC than funding further P5 expansion.

(11-05-2018 11:50 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 11:08 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  I'm reluctant to say it, but a reliable source says that the AAC negotiations on the new contract are not going that well. A contributing factor apparently is the presence of Tulane, Tulsa and ECU. It was a mistake to add them to this conference and now it is showing in the pocketbook. Apparently, the AAC has looked at alternative broadcast partners, including Facebook and Amazon, but that is a dangerous game as it potentially removes the conference entirely from traditional broadcast carriers, such as ESPN or Fox Sports. At this point, the conference might be required to accept a low ball offer from ESPN in order to remain a visible entity. We apparently are not in a very strong negotiating position, notwithstanding the very respectable level of football and basketball being played by member institutions (a few obvious exceptions aside).

If true (and I'm not questioning the veracity of your post at all) seems to me it's time to get creative with ESPN and see if they're willing to help re-engineer the conference for the greater good. Tulsa has a smaller enrollment that Xavier, though it has competed somewhat effectively in the conference. Tulane is a prestige private with little following in an SEC state and a city where the students have lots of off campus distractions. ECU has pretty good football but no TV market and their basketball is a perennial anchor dragging down the AAC. Not much upside with any of these and I think we're dreaming if we believe that will change.

So push these three out of the nest and work with ESPN to replace one or all. Or simply go down to smaller divisions and still host a conference championship game as the Big 12 plans to do. Maybe TV would prefer quality over quantity for the American and the per school share would improve. The conference's short history suggests the top is strong in both sports and features large universities with some national profiles. ESPN can showcase those schools much more cheaply in the AAC than funding further P5 expansion.

Drop 'em! I'd say add SDSU, Boise, and Airforce - but outside of SDSU the other possible additions do not do much for the basketball side of things

(11-05-2018 11:46 AM)jarr Wrote:  I thought Notre Dame/Syracuse was already scheduled for 2:30 on NBC? Can this be changed?

There is a pretty proven history of them having College Gameday at a location and them not having the game on ABC at 8:00 PM. For example, when we played UConn in 2009 on ABC.

They actually had Gameday at the Army vs. Air Force game.

I think there is a pretty good chance this is the 8:00 ESPN game.

(11-05-2018 11:08 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  I'm reluctant to say it, but a reliable source says that the AAC negotiations on the new contract are not going that well. A contributing factor apparently is the presence of Tulane, Tulsa and ECU. It was a mistake to add them to this conference and now it is showing in the pocketbook. Apparently, the AAC has looked at alternative broadcast partners, including Facebook and Amazon, but that is a dangerous game as it potentially removes the conference entirely from traditional broadcast carriers, such as ESPN or Fox Sports. At this point, the conference might be required to accept a low ball offer from ESPN in order to remain a visible entity. We apparently are not in a very strong negotiating position, notwithstanding the very respectable level of football and basketball being played by member institutions (a few obvious exceptions aside).

Blasphemy....the P6 promo was working. We built a big buffet on our old stadium that continues to publically show 70% empty seats. Come on - build it and they will come. We all saw the movie. Its unfair.

Oh well. We can always raise student fees.

Misery loves company.

Tulane, Tulsa especially do not fit or add anything. SMU does not met the profile but are larger and have good sports. CSU and BSU would be perfect fit as large public schools. Then SMU could be our Vandy, NW or Wake.

University of Central Florida
Orlando, Florida
66,183

University of Cincinnati
Cincinnati, Ohio
44,783

University of Connecticut
Storrs, Connecticut
32,182

East Carolina University
Greenville, North Carolina
29,131

University of Houston
Houston, Texas
45,364

University of Memphis
Memphis, Tennessee
21,521

University of South Florida
Tampa, Florida
49,591

Southern Methodist University
Dallas, Texas
11,789

Temple University
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
40,240

Tulane University
New Orleans, Louisiana
13,581

University of Tulsa
Tulsa, Oklahoma
4,433

Wichita State University
Wichita, Kansas
15,081

(11-05-2018 01:10 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Tulane, Tulsa especially do not fit or add anything. SMU does not met the profile but are larger and have good sports. CSU and BSU would be perfect fit as large public schools. Then SMU could be our Vandy, NW or Wake.

University of Central Florida
Orlando, Florida
66,183

University of Cincinnati
Cincinnati, Ohio
44,783

University of Connecticut
Storrs, Connecticut
32,182

East Carolina University
Greenville, North Carolina
29,131

University of Houston
Houston, Texas
45,364

University of Memphis
Memphis, Tennessee
21,521

University of South Florida
Tampa, Florida
49,591

Southern Methodist University
Dallas, Texas
11,789

Temple University
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
40,240

Tulane University
New Orleans, Louisiana
13,581

University of Tulsa
Tulsa, Oklahoma
4,433

Wichita State University
Wichita, Kansas
15,081

My sources say negotiations are progressing well.

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(11-05-2018 11:50 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 11:08 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  I'm reluctant to say it, but a reliable source says that the AAC negotiations on the new contract are not going that well. A contributing factor apparently is the presence of Tulane, Tulsa and ECU. It was a mistake to add them to this conference and now it is showing in the pocketbook. Apparently, the AAC has looked at alternative broadcast partners, including Facebook and Amazon, but that is a dangerous game as it potentially removes the conference entirely from traditional broadcast carriers, such as ESPN or Fox Sports. At this point, the conference might be required to accept a low ball offer from ESPN in order to remain a visible entity. We apparently are not in a very strong negotiating position, notwithstanding the very respectable level of football and basketball being played by member institutions (a few obvious exceptions aside).

If true (and I'm not questioning the veracity of your post at all) seems to me it's time to get creative with ESPN and see if they're willing to help re-engineer the conference for the greater good. Tulsa has a smaller enrollment that Xavier, though it has competed somewhat effectively in the conference. Tulane is a prestige private with little following in an SEC state and a city where the students have lots of off campus distractions. ECU has pretty good football but no TV market and their basketball is a perennial anchor dragging down the AAC. Not much upside with any of these and I think we're dreaming if we believe that will change.

So push these three out of the nest and work with ESPN to replace one or all. Or simply go down to smaller divisions and still host a conference championship game as the Big 12 plans to do. Maybe TV would prefer quality over quantity for the American and the per school share would improve. The conference's short history suggests the top is strong in both sports and features large universities with some national profiles. ESPN can showcase those schools much more cheaply in the AAC than funding further P5 expansion.

Let us all be clear on the timeline:

ESPN does not want to pay more for the Big East.
ESPN waters down the Big East by advising other conferences to take many of the most lucrative members as their own.
Big East tries to create the first nation-wide conference by adding TCU, Boise State, SDSU, Air Force, etc.
Boise State receives concession when ESPN negotiates deal with MWC and remains in conference after committing to Big East - other schools follow suit.
Big East has to add Tulane / Tulsa to fill the gap.
ESPN does not want to pay more for the AAC.

Let's just hope UC catches the next train out of town. History is bound to repeat itself, and I'd be wary of ESPN trying to do us any "favors".

(11-05-2018 10:34 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Possibly.... but you have to keep in mind there is some "heat" between UCF and ESPN/Kirk Herbstreit right now. A few weeks ago Herbstreit said some unflattering things about the Knights, and ESPN was to host Gameday the following weekend in Jacksonville for the Gators. UCF fans organized a rally at that Gameday to fight their case and eventually ESPN flex their muscle and it did not go forward.

There's also the fact the AAC media deal is coming up in February and a Gameday event there could result in leverage for the AAC in negotiations.

Would not be surprised if it goes to Notre Dame/Syracuse.

The UCF fans were receiving threats from the schools playing in that game, so they canceled.

It's pointless to hash over schools we'd add/ subtract b/c none of that is going to happen. The AAC isn't going to be booting anyone out of the conference. More than almost anything, the conference is hoping and praying for stability. that means keeping the UCFs/ UCs/ UCONNs as well as the bottom dwellers.

As far as Gameday goes, let's hope the Cuse lose. Assuming UCF and UC survive the next week i think they're gonna throw UCF a bone and have Gameday in Orlando.




mc

Can't boot out the bottom teams unless the conference charter is up* (Idaho and NM State was not extended when the conference agreement came back up) or you can prove they breached the contract-- unless you are willing to pay the tens of millions in damages it will cost those schools.

As the commissioner of the league, Aresco is not able to create a deal with ESPN or any other media entity to exclude Tulsa/Tulane/ECU. He represents all the schools.

(11-05-2018 01:18 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 01:10 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Tulane, Tulsa especially do not fit or add anything. SMU does not met the profile but are larger and have good sports. CSU and BSU would be perfect fit as large public schools. Then SMU could be our Vandy, NW or Wake.

University of Central Florida
Orlando, Florida
66,183

University of Cincinnati
Cincinnati, Ohio
44,783

University of Connecticut
Storrs, Connecticut
32,182

East Carolina University
Greenville, North Carolina
29,131

University of Houston
Houston, Texas
45,364

University of Memphis
Memphis, Tennessee
21,521

University of South Florida
Tampa, Florida
49,591

Southern Methodist University
Dallas, Texas
11,789

Temple University
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
40,240

Tulane University
New Orleans, Louisiana
13,581

University of Tulsa
Tulsa, Oklahoma
4,433

Wichita State University
Wichita, Kansas
15,081

My sources say negotiations are progressing well.

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