(10-26-2018 11:33 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: I understand why you wouldn't vote for Beto, I'm not trying to pitch you to him as a candidate that you would vote for. I'm trying to pitch that he has the temperament that we seem to be missing these days. You asked where were the politicians that acted civil, and I provided a good example. Beto regularly talks to his audiences about the need to listen to the other side of an argument and those on the other side of the political spectrum. I find that commendable, do you?
And there is certainly a huge gap in civility between your claim that Beto is lying and that's uncivil and my claim that Trump encouraging people to cheer for the jailing of a political opponent for no reason is uncivil. Suggesting those are in the same category is like suggesting telling your friend the new piece of art they bought is nice and telling the police your friend was at your home when you knew he was out committing a crime are lies that are in the same category.
Stop putting words in my mouth. Where have I been "(s)suggesting that those are in the same category"? Oh yeah, that's right, I haven't. I'm merely pointing out that Robert O'Rourke is not exactly pure as the driven snow.
And lying about the size of the crowd at an event versus lying about "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, if you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan," are pretty much light years apart too.
Look, nowhere am I suggesting that lying about policy positions is the same on the civility scale as encouraging that your political opponents be jailed. So don't go putting those words in my mouth. Come to think of it, when it comes to recommending legal action against political opponents, O'Rourke has already stated that he is willing to vote for impeachment, when no factual basis for so doing presently exists. So he has pretty much already crossed that line.
I guess that's kind of my point about the "lock him/her up" thing. Democrats have pretty much been saying that, in unison, about Trump since election day 2016. Why is that not regarded as a call for criminal violence against Trump and republicans, like for example Steve Scalise or the risin attacks, when the same thing going the other way somehow is?
As far as the temperament thing, my point is that to me O'Rourke comes across as a fraud. He has certainly exhibited not just uncivil, but criminal, behavior in his past. He claims to be bipartisan when it is pretty clear from his history that we can expect him to be Chuck Schumer's lapdog, just as he has been Nancy Pelosi's lapdog.
The O'Rourkes are about the most political family I have ever known. To paraphrase RADM Painter (the Fred Thompson character in Red October), they don't take a dump without a political plan. I can very easily see the photos of young Robert in his t-shirt with "Beto" on it coming about because they thought, "Hey we want him to go into politics, and in El Paso it will be an advantage to have some Hispanic touch." Young Robert is running a perfectly scripted political plan. Please forgive me if I don't believe a word of it. If I were trying to get elected in Texas with his political views, you can bet your butt I would do everything I could to come across as this civil, polite bipartisan. IMO it's all crap. That's not who he is, or who he has been, or who he would be as our senator. I sincerely hope we don't get to find out.