Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

I have no respect for the MSM; however, they should not be shut down.

Yawn

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

A few points.
1) the left is the side shutting down free speech, on college campuses and all over social media.
2) 90% of the country has litte respect for congress
3) a similar number also recognize the supreme court engages in judicial activism
4) the deep state does exist and there are resistence members in it who want to take down the president (is there even a debate about this? This has been conclusively proven)
5) No one wants to be ruled by a dictator, Trump is not a Putin in the least. This kind of hyperbole undermines the lefts positions.

Count me in the group that wants to leave the MSM alone. Their stupidity provides way too much entertainment and their fake news fantasy stories are better than most current TV shows

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

OK, now take a survey of lefties and find out how many would shut down Fox News and/or talk radio if given the chance......

In case you forgot, during the Barry regime the left was pushing for the "FCC Fairness Doctrine". Can't compete in the market so use the government to FORCE stations to change their programming.

He who lives in a glass house.....

(10-18-2018 08:35 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Count me in the group that wants to leave the MSM alone. Their stupidity provides way too much entertainment and their fake news fantasy stories are better than most current TV shows

Yep, the MSM's reaction on election night was well worth putting up with all the absurdity leading up to and following the election. They keep digging their selves a deeper hole and have yet to figure that out. It's hard to turn away from watching a train wreck.

(10-18-2018 08:35 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

A few points.
1) the left is the side shutting down free speech, on college campuses and all over social media.
2) 90% of the country has litte respect for congress
3) a similar number also recognize the supreme court engages in judicial activism
4) the deep state does exist and there are resistence members in it who want to take down the president (is there even a debate about this? This has been conclusively proven)
5) No one wants to be ruled by a dictator, Trump is not a Putin in the least. This kind of hyperbole undermines the lefts positions.

1) Companies like Google and Facebook are free to control content as they see fit... just as news outlets and blogs.

2) Congress has given away much of its power to the executive branch, so some of it's contempt is self-inflicted; however, that does not change the fact that 1/3rd of our government provides little resistance or oversight.

3) The Supreme Court has been handing down 5-4 decisions in favor of corporations, and Republican interests for the better part of the past 40 years. There has really only been 1 liberal chief justice since the 1930's and that was Warren. The idea of liberal judicial activism is mostly a republican talking point, because they have controlled the Court.

4) There are Democrats in the intelligence agencies and in the FBI. There are Republicans in the intelligence agency. The IG, however, found no evidence of political bias playing any role in investigations in Clinton email/Russia Probe. That does not stop Republicans from trying to tear down these institutions in order to protect their leader from investigation.

5) If given the option of being lead by Trump and the military or our current democratic system, I'd bet Republicans would be equally split.

(10-18-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

OK, now take a survey of lefties and find out how many would shut down Fox News and/or talk radio if given the chance......

In case you forgot, during the Barry regime the left was pushing for the "FCC Fairness Doctrine". Can't compete in the market so use the government to FORCE stations to change their programming.

He who lives in a glass house.....

President Obama didn't advocate the reinstitution of the fairness doctrine, but there were some legislators who did.

I think most would agree political discourse in this country was far more palatable in this country when the fairness doctrine was in place, but much of the media today falls outside of the purview of the FCC, so its application would be antiquated and ineffective.

The sheer hypocrisy in this thread's posting is laughable at best.

The fact that when looking at MSM, there is only one conservative voice and the other members of the MSM and the left in general have been clamoring for FN's demise for years is all I need to laugh at this.

I could care less about the MSM, all of it. They have a voice, they use it. When they say stupid stuff, they win stupid prizes. If they would actually present news in an unbiased way people would go back to respecting them.

There's a huge difference between not respecting them and not defending their existence. Yet, as a nation, that's where we're at. Instead of just disagreeing on various aspects, the fringes believe people shouldn't be allowed to have voices. That's the problem set really. And when you look at the data as a whole... it's largely a problem on the left in terms of using bullying and violent tactics to silence their opposition. That's straight up fascism.

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

The premise of this thread is false. One has to click through to the Ipsos poll site, but when you do this is what the actual survey said:

"[O]nly 13% of Americans agree that “President Trump should close down mainstream news outlets, like CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times.” Here less than a quarter of Republicans (23%) agree along with fewer than one in ten Democrats (8%)."

Those numbers are still disturbing. But they are very different than what you have portrayed, Mr. Mensa. The fault, at least in the first instance, is not on you. The false statement is most definitely contained in the USA Today link that you've provided.

But, since you are our resident Mensa specialist, I would like to think that you have the ability to check behind fake news when it is presented. I guess not.

(10-18-2018 09:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

OK, now take a survey of lefties and find out how many would shut down Fox News and/or talk radio if given the chance......

In case you forgot, during the Barry regime the left was pushing for the "FCC Fairness Doctrine". Can't compete in the market so use the government to FORCE stations to change their programming.

He who lives in a glass house.....

President Obama didn't advocate the reinstitution of the fairness doctrine, but there were some legislators who did.

I think most would agree political discourse in this country was far more palatable in this country when the fairness doctrine was in place, but much of the media today falls outside of the purview of the FCC, so its application would be antiquated and ineffective.

I don't think the discourse was more palatable because of the fairness doctrine, it was more palatable because everyone didn't feel the need to get in each other's faces about politics.

It used to be a personal thing. If we had opposing viewpoints, we argued but in the end agreed to disagree. Not any more. Social media has a lot to do with it because it's become a sounding board for the outraged.

As far as things like talk radio, let the market decide. The left tried their hand at it with (Sc)Air America and it bombed in epic proportions. Talk radio WORKS for the right, not so much for the left.

But if we are truly being "fair", and want to require stations to air left leaning talk, how about requiring networks, media outlets, cable channels, etc. to have an equal representation from the right?

(10-18-2018 09:26 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

The premise of this thread is false. One has to click through to the Ipsos poll site, but when you do this is what the actual survey said:

"[O]nly 13% of Americans agree that “President Trump should close down mainstream news outlets, like CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times.” Here less than a quarter of Republicans (23%) agree along with fewer than one in ten Democrats (8%)."

Those numbers are still disturbing. But they are very different than what you have portrayed, Mr. Mensa. The fault, at least in the first instance, is not on you. The false statement is most definitely contained in the USA Today link that you've provided.

But, since you are our resident Mensa specialist, I would like to think that you have the ability to check behind fake news when it is presented. I guess not.

43% of Republicans in this poll said President Trump should be able to close outlets engaged in bad behavior. What is bad behavior?

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

About half the “news” media has become hate propoganda centers preaching that violence is ok. This is going to end badly. A easily avoidable tragedy is inevitable if this keep up., The “news” media have the right to spew hate and fake news—but thier ratings should be telling then that most of America is uncomfortable with how the much of the so called “news media” has morphed into a hate filled violent mob that lacks reason and morality.

(10-18-2018 09:30 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 09:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

OK, now take a survey of lefties and find out how many would shut down Fox News and/or talk radio if given the chance......

In case you forgot, during the Barry regime the left was pushing for the "FCC Fairness Doctrine". Can't compete in the market so use the government to FORCE stations to change their programming.

He who lives in a glass house.....

President Obama didn't advocate the reinstitution of the fairness doctrine, but there were some legislators who did.

I think most would agree political discourse in this country was far more palatable in this country when the fairness doctrine was in place, but much of the media today falls outside of the purview of the FCC, so its application would be antiquated and ineffective.

I don't think the discourse was more palatable because of the fairness doctrine, it was more palatable because everyone didn't feel the need to get in each other's faces about politics.

It used to be a personal thing. If we had opposing viewpoints, we argued but in the end agreed to disagree. Not any more. Social media has a lot to do with it because it's become a sounding board for the outraged.

As far as things like talk radio, let the market decide. The left tried their hand at it with (Sc)Air America and it bombed in epic proportions. Talk radio WORKS for the right, not so much for the left.

But if we are truly being "fair", and want to require stations to air left leaning talk, how about requiring networks, media outlets, cable channels, etc. to have an equal representation from the right?

The difference was the "news", prior to the fairness doctrine and the proliferation of media, was 30 minutes to an hour of a person's day. Now, it can be every minute of their day. If someone built up enough anger, they could sit down at their typewriter and hammer out a letter to the editor that may, or may not, be published. Now, everyone is a columnist with an opinion.

The proliferation of media is the main culprit but the end of the fairness doctrine did help create the toxic environment.

(10-18-2018 09:47 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 09:26 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

The premise of this thread is false. One has to click through to the Ipsos poll site, but when you do this is what the actual survey said:

"[O]nly 13% of Americans agree that “President Trump should close down mainstream news outlets, like CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times.” Here less than a quarter of Republicans (23%) agree along with fewer than one in ten Democrats (8%)."

Those numbers are still disturbing. But they are very different than what you have portrayed, Mr. Mensa. The fault, at least in the first instance, is not on you. The false statement is most definitely contained in the USA Today link that you've provided.

But, since you are our resident Mensa specialist, I would like to think that you have the ability to check behind fake news when it is presented. I guess not.

43% of Republicans in this poll said President Trump should be able to close outlets engaged in bad behavior. What is bad behavior?

Russians interfering with elections. Can you agree that they should be subject to being shut down. If so, count yourself among the 43%.

That's different than the lie that USA Today floated, and you perpetuated on this site.

(10-18-2018 09:26 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

The premise of this thread is false. One has to click through to the Ipsos poll site, but when you do this is what the actual survey said:

"[O]nly 13% of Americans agree that “President Trump should close down mainstream news outlets, like CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times.” Here less than a quarter of Republicans (23%) agree along with fewer than one in ten Democrats (8%)."

Those numbers are still disturbing. But they are very different than what you have portrayed, Mr. Mensa. The fault, at least in the first instance, is not on you. The false statement is most definitely contained in the USA Today link that you've provided.

But, since you are our resident Mensa specialist, I would like to think that you have the ability to check behind fake news when it is presented. I guess not.

Haha!! A headline written to get the lefties to "click into". The writers knew it was too much reading for their readers to go all the way through........like Mensa...

(10-18-2018 08:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 10:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 09:47 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 09:26 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

The premise of this thread is false. One has to click through to the Ipsos poll site, but when you do this is what the actual survey said:

"[O]nly 13% of Americans agree that “President Trump should close down mainstream news outlets, like CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times.” Here less than a quarter of Republicans (23%) agree along with fewer than one in ten Democrats (8%)."

Those numbers are still disturbing. But they are very different than what you have portrayed, Mr. Mensa. The fault, at least in the first instance, is not on you. The false statement is most definitely contained in the USA Today link that you've provided.

But, since you are our resident Mensa specialist, I would like to think that you have the ability to check behind fake news when it is presented. I guess not.

43% of Republicans in this poll said President Trump should be able to close outlets engaged in bad behavior. What is bad behavior?

Russians interfering with elections. Can you agree that they should be subject to being shut down. If so, count yourself among the 43%.

That's different than the lie that USA Today floated, and you perpetuated on this site.

I didn't think Republicans believed the Russian's meddled in the elections??

That being said, are the legitimate sites they hacked the ones Republicans believe the Leader should shut down.