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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
The reality is the MSM brought this on themselves for not being fair and impartial, and for partisan political agendas. One of Trump's legacies will be more folks discounting what is said in the MSM and forming their own opinions independently, rationally, and thoughtfully. Less people under MSM thought control means a stronger Republic with more informed citizens.
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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
(10-18-2018 08:35 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

A few points.
1) the left is the side shutting down free speech, on college campuses and all over social media.
2) 90% of the country has litte respect for congress
3) a similar number also recognize the supreme court engages in judicial activism
4) the deep state does exist and there are resistence members in it who want to take down the president (is there even a debate about this? This has been conclusively proven)
5) No one wants to be ruled by a dictator, Trump is not a Putin in the least. This kind of hyperbole undermines the lefts positions.

The left doesn't want to shut down speech that agrees with theirs, but already is shutting down or trying to shut down speech that disagrees.
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Fake news
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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
(10-18-2018 09:55 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 09:30 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 09:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 08:52 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

OK, now take a survey of lefties and find out how many would shut down Fox News and/or talk radio if given the chance......

In case you forgot, during the Barry regime the left was pushing for the "FCC Fairness Doctrine". Can't compete in the market so use the government to FORCE stations to change their programming.

He who lives in a glass house.....

President Obama didn't advocate the reinstitution of the fairness doctrine, but there were some legislators who did.

I think most would agree political discourse in this country was far more palatable in this country when the fairness doctrine was in place, but much of the media today falls outside of the purview of the FCC, so its application would be antiquated and ineffective.

I don't think the discourse was more palatable because of the fairness doctrine, it was more palatable because everyone didn't feel the need to get in each other's faces about politics.

It used to be a personal thing. If we had opposing viewpoints, we argued but in the end agreed to disagree. Not any more. Social media has a lot to do with it because it's become a sounding board for the outraged.

As far as things like talk radio, let the market decide. The left tried their hand at it with (Sc)Air America and it bombed in epic proportions. Talk radio WORKS for the right, not so much for the left.

But if we are truly being "fair", and want to require stations to air left leaning talk, how about requiring networks, media outlets, cable channels, etc. to have an equal representation from the right?

The difference was the "news", prior to the fairness doctrine and the proliferation of media, was 30 minutes to an hour of a person's day. Now, it can be every minute of their day. If someone built up enough anger, they could sit down at their typewriter and hammer out a letter to the editor that may, or may not, be published. Now, everyone is a columnist with an opinion.

The proliferation of media is the main culprit but the end of the fairness doctrine did help create the toxic environment.

Yes they did. They also had two buffers as well.

1) They had time before mailing that letter to settle down, think about what they wrote, and potentially change their mind.

2) They had to sign their ACTUAL name to the letter, not a screen name or avatar.

Now, people hear up to the minute news, become outraged, and immediately take to twitter to spew anger and hate. My guess is that if people were required to use their real name and location, they'd be less likely to play social-media tough guy.

What I see as the biggest problem to infect the MSM in the last 25 years or so is their blending of news and opinion. It's hard to find a source that reports actual down the line news. Even the most middle of the road sources present "facts" with a slant or spin.

We need to go back to reporting the news, not creating it.
10-18-2018 11:14 AM
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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
Weird. I wasn't asked my thoughts
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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
The source for the data is an online poll of 363 self-identified Republicans. Not impressed.

Telephone or face-to-face survey of at least 1,000. Then I’ll start to pay attention to the results.
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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
(10-18-2018 11:20 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The source for the data is an online poll of 363 self-identified Republicans. Not impressed.

Telephone or face-to-face survey of at least 1,000. Then I’ll start to pay attention to the results.

Like i said, fake news
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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
Let me know when it's actually happening and I'll get concerned.
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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

I think you are confusing 1/2 of Republicans with 1/2 of this country. Those two numbers do not equal.

I also bet that 1/2 of the democrats would have been OK with Obama shutting down FoxNews.

There are idiots on both sides. And some people can't even comprehend numbers.
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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

That's a joke.

We're not authoritarian. We actually believe in as little government as necessary.

It's the Dems that want as much government intrusion as possible, so good try but no cigar.


As far as the media goes, the fake news outlets are proving to be more propaganda arms of the radleft rather than actual news media.

The "press" hardly exists today.

I think everyone supports the 1st Amendment and freedom of the press. I think we've approached a time where we have to define what constitutes "press".


Heck, Dems like putting restrictions on what qualifies as "arms" under the 2nd. Why should they oppose refining definitions for the 1st?
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RE: Almost half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close down media outets
(10-18-2018 09:02 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 08:35 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

A few points.
1) the left is the side shutting down free speech, on college campuses and all over social media.
2) 90% of the country has litte respect for congress
3) a similar number also recognize the supreme court engages in judicial activism
4) the deep state does exist and there are resistence members in it who want to take down the president (is there even a debate about this? This has been conclusively proven)
5) No one wants to be ruled by a dictator, Trump is not a Putin in the least. This kind of hyperbole undermines the lefts positions.

1) Companies like Google and Facebook are free to control content as they see fit... just as news outlets and blogs.

2) Congress has given away much of its power to the executive branch, so some of it's contempt is self-inflicted; however, that does not change the fact that 1/3rd of our government provides little resistance or oversight.

3) The Supreme Court has been handing down 5-4 decisions in favor of corporations, and Republican interests for the better part of the past 40 years. There has really only been 1 liberal chief justice since the 1930's and that was Warren. The idea of liberal judicial activism is mostly a republican talking point, because they have controlled the Court.

4) There are Democrats in the intelligence agencies and in the FBI. There are Republicans in the intelligence agency. The IG, however, found no evidence of political bias playing any role in investigations in Clinton email/Russia Probe. That does not stop Republicans from trying to tear down these institutions in order to protect their leader from investigation.

5) If given the option of being lead by Trump and the military or our current democratic system, I'd bet Republicans would be equally split.

Democratic controlled congress definitely gave away power to BHO's executive branch.

And when the GOP gained control he went the "i've got a pen" route.
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(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

You aren't helping your cause with this nonsense you know, but please, by all means, keep it up! With your leaders acting like idiots you guys won't see the WH for another 20 years. You better dust off the old rifle for the coming civil war you guys are trying so desperately to foment. LOL, what a joke. ANTIFA is declaring war on the right and are militarizing themselves, such as that might be. Have you seen those ANTIFA wienies???
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(10-18-2018 09:16 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The sheer hypocrisy in this thread's posting is laughable at best.

The fact that when looking at MSM, there is only one conservative voice and the other members of the MSM and the left in general have been clamoring for FN's demise for years is all I need to laugh at this.

I could care less about the MSM, all of it. They have a voice, they use it. When they say stupid stuff, they win stupid prizes. If they would actually present news in an unbiased way people would go back to respecting them.

There's a huge difference between not respecting them and not defending their existence. Yet, as a nation, that's where we're at. Instead of just disagreeing on various aspects, the fringes believe people shouldn't be allowed to have voices. That's the problem set really. And when you look at the data as a whole... it's largely a problem on the left in terms of using bullying and violent tactics to silence their opposition. That's straight up fascism.

Stop making sense, it confuses them.
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(10-18-2018 09:26 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Not surprising given conservatives leanings toward authoritarianism, but we're not far from a tipping point. 1/2 of this country has little respect for the freedom of the press... 1/2 of this country has little respect for the legislative branch of government... 1/2 of this country thinks the courts are filled with judicial activists... 1/2 of this country believes federal law enforcement and our intelligence agencies are filled with operatives looking to take down the dear leader...

1/2 of this country wants to be ruled by an American version of Vladimir Putin.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...925536002/

The premise of this thread is false. One has to click through to the Ipsos poll site, but when you do this is what the actual survey said:

"[O]nly 13% of Americans agree that “President Trump should close down mainstream news outlets, like CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times.” Here less than a quarter of Republicans (23%) agree along with fewer than one in ten Democrats (8%)."

Those numbers are still disturbing. But they are very different than what you have portrayed, Mr. Mensa. The fault, at least in the first instance, is not on you. The false statement is most definitely contained in the USA Today link that you've provided.

But, since you are our resident Mensa specialist, I would like to think that you have the ability to check behind fake news when it is presented. I guess not.

His work here is done, he's disseminated fake news and he doesn't care that it's fake. He is incapable of feeling shame or embarrassment.
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(10-18-2018 11:16 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Weird. I wasn't asked my thoughts

Neither was I.
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No surprise. The terrorist Republicans want to drive cars into crowds and kill reporters. Damn radicals.
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(10-18-2018 11:20 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The source for the data is an online poll of 363 self-identified Republicans. Not impressed.

Telephone or face-to-face survey of at least 1,000. Then I’ll start to pay attention to the results.

Now I'm really calling bullsh*t on the poll, cause I dont think there's a poll out there that has 363 republicans in their database to call.
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(10-18-2018 10:39 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The reality is the MSM brought this on themselves for not being fair and impartial, and for partisan political agendas. One of Trump's legacies will be more folks discounting what is said in the MSM and forming their own opinions independently, rationally, and thoughtfully. Less people under MSM thought control means a stronger Republic with more informed citizens.
I used to trust the national media... not anymore. Trump has exposed the media has partisan hacks.
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(10-18-2018 01:04 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  No surprise. The terrorist Republicans want to drive cars into crowds and kill reporters. Damn radicals.

where is your little... 05-stirthepot
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How anyone can claim that what half of 363 people think in any way represents the entire group population is either mathematical ignorant of flat out partisan. My guess is both.
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