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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(09-30-2018 04:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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Still in disbelief how poorly our coaches handled our last two offensive drives. I wish our coach had showed as much confidence in Cox at the end as their coach had in their defense


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How could anyone have any confidence watching him run for 1-3 yards per carry?

In the second half, up to the point of that 3rd and 1 pass, Cox was 12 for 45 yards - almost 4 yds per carry (not including a 9 yard run called back due to a penalty). (he was 7/10 in the first half).
Just as in the VT game, the run started picking up in the 2nd half.

Additionally, LaRussa had been sacked 3 times on the previous series.
As I remarked before, there are four (sans subjective officiating) possible outcomes for any given pass, and only one is good.

That 3rd and 1 pass was not (strategically or in the best interest of clock management) the correct call, period.

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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(09-30-2018 08:46 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(09-30-2018 04:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-30-2018 01:03 PM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-pays-off/

Still in disbelief how poorly our coaches handled our last two offensive drives. I wish our coach had showed as much confidence in Cox at the end as their coach had in their defense


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How could anyone have any confidence watching him run for 1-3 yards per carry?

In the second half, up to the point of that 3rd and 1 pass, Cox was 12 for 45 yards - almost 4yds per carry (not including a 9 yard run called back due to a penalty). (he was 7/12 in the first half).
Just as in the VT game, the run started picking up in the 2nd half.

Additionally, LaRussa had been sacked 3 times on the previous series.
As I remarked before, there are four (sans subjective officiating) possible outcomes for any given pass, and only one is good.

That 3rd and 1 pass was not (strategically or in the best interest of clock management) the correct call, period.

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Cox had 20 carries05-stirthepot.

4 went for negative yards
1 went for 0 yards
4 went for 1 yard
4 went for 2 yards
1 went for 3 yards

6 runs went for 4 or more yards. One of those 6 was on a 3rd and 20 (14 yards) and another on a 3rd and 7. So there were 4 out of 18 runs tbat went for over 3 yards on downs that were not runs where defense is playing back for the pass.

13 out of 20 (really 18) runs went for 2 yards or less yet people habe confidence we could run for a first down. On non give up on 3rd and long runs, Cox ran 18 times for 36 yards and 11 for 26 in the second half.

Our offense is anong the worst in collge football running the ball, but finally picked up last week passing the ball. Our chances of running the ball when when the opposition know we are running are about nil. The strength of our offense is passing to our big wideouts.

We werent winning the game without first downs. The best way for us to get first downs is through the air. In the next to last drive, we got screwed by a non call. In the last drive, we had a free 5 yard completion to either set up a 3rd and short (after timeout) or Fulgham fights for a first down vs a smaller corner (if a simple pss is completed).

There are no magic answers but the odds are we would have run 3 times and punted and they still would have had plenty of time to score.
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If you want a safe, conservative coach that relies in the defense ro win, you wont like decisions feom Wilder. He doesnt coach scared. Soemtimes that fails, a lot of times it works out. Hes going to try to win the game, not run 3 times and punt.
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Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(09-30-2018 04:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-30-2018 01:03 PM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-pays-off/

Still in disbelief how poorly our coaches handled our last two offensive drives. I wish our coach had showed as much confidence in Cox at the end as their coach had in their defense


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How could anyone have any confidence watching him run for 1-3 yards per carry?


He ran for nine yards on the previous two plays. That’s why.


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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(09-30-2018 09:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-30-2018 08:46 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(09-30-2018 04:35 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-30-2018 01:03 PM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-pays-off/

Still in disbelief how poorly our coaches handled our last two offensive drives. I wish our coach had showed as much confidence in Cox at the end as their coach had in their defense


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How could anyone have any confidence watching him run for 1-3 yards per carry?

In the second half, up to the point of that 3rd and 1 pass, Cox was 12 for 45 yards - almost 4 yds per carry (not including a 9 yard run called back due to a penalty). (he was 7/12 in the first half).
Just as in the VT game, the run started picking up in the 2nd half.

Additionally, LaRussa had been sacked 3 times on the previous series.
As I remarked before, there are four (sans subjective officiating) possible outcomes for any given pass, and only one is good.

That 3rd and 1 pass was not (strategically or in the best interest of clock management) the correct call, period.

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Cox had 20 carries05-stirthepot.

4 went for negative yards
1 went for 0 yards
4 went for 1 yard
4 went for 2 yards
1 went for 3 yards

6 runs went for 4 or more yards. One of those 6 was on a 3rd and 20 (14 yards) and another on a 3rd and 7. So there were 4 out of 18 runs tbat went for over 3 yards on downs that were not runs where defense is playing back for the pass.

13 out of 20 (really 18) runs went for 2 yards or less yet people habe confidence we could run for a first down. On non give up on 3rd and long runs, Cox ran 18 times for 36 yards and 11 for 26 in the second half.

Our offense is anong the worst in collge football running the ball, but finally picked up last week passing the ball. Our chances of running the ball when when the opposition know we are running are about nil. The strength of our offense is passing to our big wideouts.

We werent winning the game without first downs. The best way for us to get first downs is through the air. In the next to last drive, we got screwed by a non call. In the last drive, we had a free 5 yard completion to either set up a 3rd and short (after timeout) or Fulgham fights for a first down vs a smaller corner (if a simple pss is completed).

There are no magic answers but the odds are we would have run 3 times and punted and they still would have had plenty of time to score.

I was trying to illustrate what he had done up until the 3rd and 1 in the second half only.
My point is that he ran much better in the 2nd half. (we did that vs VT as well)
Cox ran 7 times for 12 yards in the first half @ 1.7 yds per carry
In the second, he ran 13 times for 45 yards @ 3.5 yards per carry

Further, in the series immediately prior to the 3rd and 1 pass, LaRussa was sacked 3 times.

On the series in question, Cox had already run for 9 yards. Please support your statement with valid statistical analysis that the odds were that we would have run three and out and punted.
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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(09-30-2018 09:40 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If you want a safe, conservative coach that relies in the defense ro win, you wont like decisions feom Wilder. He doesnt coach scared. Soemtimes that fails, a lot of times it works out. Hes going to try to win the game, not run 3 times and punt.

The run was generating almost 4 yards per carry to that point in the second half.
Cox had run for 9 yards on the first two downs.
Your continued characterization that we would have run 3 times and punted is without factual basis or even keeping with a predictive trend.

Additionally, LaRussa was sacked three times on the previous series.

Using clock was critical.
Making a high percentage call at a critical time is NOT being "a safe, conservative coach that relies in the defense ro win," That is a leap to a general conclusion that is almost non sequitur, as is your characterization that making a high percentage call at a critical time is coaching "scared".

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Gotta agree with 78 on this one.
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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(09-29-2018 08:26 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 07:18 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 07:07 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 06:28 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  The throw on second down with 2:20 on the clock, up one is one of the most illogical, bafffling decisions i have ever seen. You don’t have Drew Brees throwing to Jerry Rice....give it to the bruiser and make them use timeouts
Running the ball on that play changes nothing. They scored with 54 seconds left. They didn't need the timeout they were able to pocket because we passed. What would have changed the outcome is if we had gotten a first down. It was a gutsy play call, and the result of the game proved it was the right one.

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You are confusing the outcome of the game with what the right call was in that situation. Under that logic blocking the extra point wasn't a big play because they lost by 2 anyway...

Running the ball on that play changes everything. They end up using all of their timeouts and you have them pinned at the 15 yard line. 0 time outs with 40 yards to go >>>>>>>>>>> 2 timeouts with 40 yards to go

It was not gusty, it was stupid. Throwing the ball on 2nd down when you are up trying to burn the clock is dumb, 100% of the time. The other team that deployed that strategy today was Louisville and it cost them too.

Bingo. Even if it had worked our perfect, the logic behind it is still just plain stupid.

Cox is a man amongst boys and you take a low percentage throw over a short run for a 1st???

It’s just plain dumb and indefensible, even if it works perfectly.

Cox has had 1 good game as a starter in his entire career. Let's not get carried away.
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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(10-01-2018 08:59 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 08:26 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 07:18 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 07:07 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 06:28 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  The throw on second down with 2:20 on the clock, up one is one of the most illogical, bafffling decisions i have ever seen. You don’t have Drew Brees throwing to Jerry Rice....give it to the bruiser and make them use timeouts
Running the ball on that play changes nothing. They scored with 54 seconds left. They didn't need the timeout they were able to pocket because we passed. What would have changed the outcome is if we had gotten a first down. It was a gutsy play call, and the result of the game proved it was the right one.

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You are confusing the outcome of the game with what the right call was in that situation. Under that logic blocking the extra point wasn't a big play because they lost by 2 anyway...

Running the ball on that play changes everything. They end up using all of their timeouts and you have them pinned at the 15 yard line. 0 time outs with 40 yards to go >>>>>>>>>>> 2 timeouts with 40 yards to go

It was not gusty, it was stupid. Throwing the ball on 2nd down when you are up trying to burn the clock is dumb, 100% of the time. The other team that deployed that strategy today was Louisville and it cost them too.

Bingo. Even if it had worked our perfect, the logic behind it is still just plain stupid.

Cox is a man amongst boys and you take a low percentage throw over a short run for a 1st???

It’s just plain dumb and indefensible, even if it works perfectly.

Cox has had 1 good game as a starter in his entire career. Let's not get carried away.

2016:
UTSA 103 yards
UMass 162 yards

2017:
FAU 202 yards
UNT 109 yards

2018:
VT 130 yards

There were a number of games where he had just under 100 yards as well.
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I have been defending the end of game pass plays, but I don't agree with everything. I think there are some interesting takeaways.

1. ECU should have won easily. Their coach made the dumbest decision of the night when he switched to the running quarterback and his team couldn't move the ball for most of the 2nd half. Everybody knows we can't stop the pass, and if you watched the Tech game you should have known we can stop your running qb. He saved the disaster by putting the real qb back in the game late, and as expected, we couldn't stop them.

2. Our play calling reverted back to run for 1 yard on 1st down every time putting the offense in a hole with 2nd and long and everyone knows you are going to pass. We did a good job of mixing it up against VT, and it worked.

3. Duhart is incredible. He is unstoppable.

4. Cox cannot be the primary back. He can be effective in the second half if we wear the defense down, but we need a little more quickness more often. I say split carries 50/50 with someone, anyone, who can run the ball in the 1st half, the let Cox bring it home late.

5.3rd downs! Why the hell have we been unable to get off the field on 3rd down for 10 years?

6. Pass defense it awful. Awful isn't even a strong enough word to describe it.

7. Everything that all of y'all are mad about, tracks back to #5. We can't stop anyone through the air, so BW felt he had to win it on offense and could not play traditional safe football down the stretch.

This team has improved, but it is still flawed. Winning consistently this year does not seem to be in the cards.
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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(10-01-2018 08:59 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 08:26 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 07:18 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 07:07 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(09-29-2018 06:28 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  The throw on second down with 2:20 on the clock, up one is one of the most illogical, bafffling decisions i have ever seen. You don’t have Drew Brees throwing to Jerry Rice....give it to the bruiser and make them use timeouts
Running the ball on that play changes nothing. They scored with 54 seconds left. They didn't need the timeout they were able to pocket because we passed. What would have changed the outcome is if we had gotten a first down. It was a gutsy play call, and the result of the game proved it was the right one.

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You are confusing the outcome of the game with what the right call was in that situation. Under that logic blocking the extra point wasn't a big play because they lost by 2 anyway...

Running the ball on that play changes everything. They end up using all of their timeouts and you have them pinned at the 15 yard line. 0 time outs with 40 yards to go >>>>>>>>>>> 2 timeouts with 40 yards to go

It was not gusty, it was stupid. Throwing the ball on 2nd down when you are up trying to burn the clock is dumb, 100% of the time. The other team that deployed that strategy today was Louisville and it cost them too.

Bingo. Even if it had worked our perfect, the logic behind it is still just plain stupid.

Cox is a man amongst boys and you take a low percentage throw over a short run for a 1st???

It’s just plain dumb and indefensible, even if it works perfectly.

Cox has had 1 good game as a starter in his entire career. Let's not get carried away.
Amazing how a few here always have to get in the last word even when they don’t know squat.

Cox has only had 1 good game - really. He’s run for over 2000 yards, he’s topped 200 in a game and has 5 100 yard games. The guy is a wrecking ball. Call the right right running plays and not off guard and we win.

There’s a difference in a coach being too conservative and too risky playing from ahead or behind. Wilder blew the end game period. Not quite as bad as Pete Carroll not running Marshawn Lynch to win the super bowl but close.

How can someone 230 lbs and run for 2000 yards be treated with such little respect here.

Frank Reich won’t last long in Indianapolis the way he coaches
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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(09-30-2018 09:40 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  If you want a safe, conservative coach that relies in the defense ro win, you wont like decisions feom Wilder. He doesnt coach scared. Soemtimes that fails, a lot of times it works out. Hes going to try to win the game, not run 3 times and punt.

Is it too much to ask for a coach to not burn our last timeout when the clock was stopped? Please explain that one to me.

Ill take a coach that makes scared/conservative decisions to try to win the game over one that makes stupid decisions. And no, BW decisions at the FBS level fail more than they work out. Stop hanging on to his lucky FCS days.
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(10-01-2018 09:22 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I have been defending the end of game pass plays, but I don't agree with everything. I think there are some interesting takeaways.

1. ECU should have won easily. Their coach made the dumbest decision of the night when he switched to the running quarterback and his team couldn't move the ball for most of the 2nd half. Everybody knows we can't stop the pass, and if you watched the Tech game you should have known we can stop your running qb. He saved the disaster by putting the real qb back in the game late, and as expected, we couldn't stop them.

2. Our play calling reverted back to run for 1 yard on 1st down every time putting the offense in a hole with 2nd and long and everyone knows you are going to pass. We did a good job of mixing it up against VT, and it worked.

3. Duhart is incredible. He is unstoppable.

4. Cox cannot be the primary back. He can be effective in the second half if we wear the defense down, but we need a little more quickness more often. I say split carries 50/50 with someone, anyone, who can run the ball in the 1st half, the let Cox bring it home late.

5.3rd downs! Why the hell have we been unable to get off the field on 3rd down for 10 years?

6. Pass defense it awful. Awful isn't even a strong enough word to describe it.

7. Everything that all of y'all are mad about, tracks back to #5. We can't stop anyone through the air, so BW felt he had to win it on offense and could not play traditional safe football down the stretch.

This team has improved, but it is still flawed. Winning consistently this year does not seem to be in the cards.

Good summary. I agree. Another to add is our o-line seems to really struggle with run blocking and they struggled with pass blocking late. They were able to hold off VT but not ECU? How does that make sense?

Another to add is I can appreciate BL chillin in the pocket longer than average, but he really should start rolling out more often as he is subject to his passes getting blocked at the line. He did an amazing job extending plays vs VT and didn't really see it against ECU. By the time he felt the pocket collapse it was too late.
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(10-01-2018 09:37 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 09:22 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I have been defending the end of game pass plays, but I don't agree with everything. I think there are some interesting takeaways.

1. ECU should have won easily. Their coach made the dumbest decision of the night when he switched to the running quarterback and his team couldn't move the ball for most of the 2nd half. Everybody knows we can't stop the pass, and if you watched the Tech game you should have known we can stop your running qb. He saved the disaster by putting the real qb back in the game late, and as expected, we couldn't stop them.

2. Our play calling reverted back to run for 1 yard on 1st down every time putting the offense in a hole with 2nd and long and everyone knows you are going to pass. We did a good job of mixing it up against VT, and it worked.

3. Duhart is incredible. He is unstoppable.

4. Cox cannot be the primary back. He can be effective in the second half if we wear the defense down, but we need a little more quickness more often. I say split carries 50/50 with someone, anyone, who can run the ball in the 1st half, the let Cox bring it home late.

5.3rd downs! Why the hell have we been unable to get off the field on 3rd down for 10 years?

6. Pass defense it awful. Awful isn't even a strong enough word to describe it.

7. Everything that all of y'all are mad about, tracks back to #5. We can't stop anyone through the air, so BW felt he had to win it on offense and could not play traditional safe football down the stretch.

This team has improved, but it is still flawed. Winning consistently this year does not seem to be in the cards.

Good summary. I agree. Another to add is our o-line seems to really struggle with run blocking and they struggled with pass blocking late. They were able to hold off VT but not ECU? How does that make sense?

Another to add is I can appreciate BL chillin in the pocket longer than average, but he really should start rolling out more often as he is subject to his passes getting blocked at the line. He did an amazing job extending plays vs VT and didn't really see it against ECU. By the time he felt the pocket collapse it was too late.

The pocket pass plays and not run-pass or rollout options come from the coaches. Yes he needs to get rid of the ball quicker but the plays comes from the coach.

You can analyze the ECU game inside-out the fact is we had the lead and the ball with 2:26 at our own 35. At that point the previous 57.5 minutes are not important. You have to win that game. And we even got the ball back down 2 with 46 seconds our 25 and we went 6 yards incomplete, sack, sack - all straight drop back plays.
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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
While games are won during all 60 minutes of play, we killed ourselves the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. We kept stopping ECU and we just couldn't take over the game. The penalty on our called back TD run (which I really don't think was a penalty but it is what it is) killed some momentum but we had plenty of opportunities to get the win at the end. The timeout after we had gone out of bounds was the most boneheaded move I've seen. I don't know who called it but they sealed our fate with that one. But we crumbled as an offense at the end of the game, and we just can't afford to do that going forward especially if we're in tight games like this one. It sucks, we should have won, but on to the next one. 1-0 mentality from here on out, as the schedule is not getting any easier headed into conference play
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From their Jumbo Tron the interception looked legit. Even the ECU fans thought it was, and a few were leaving. I noticed the official at the end of the field for that play waved his hands over his head ready to mark the ball for ODU at the 11. Another official game running in before the first Official could call the spot and give the Monarchs a first and took the ball back to the line of scrimmage and called it incomplete. What did the replay show you at home, and what were the game announcers saying? I had the feeling all along they were not going to reverse the call and give the ball to ODU.
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(10-01-2018 09:59 AM)Monarch1987 Wrote:  From their Jumbo Tron the interception looked legit. Even the ECU fans thought it was, and a few were leaving. I noticed the official at the end of the field for that play waved his hands over his head ready to mark the ball for ODU at the 11. Another official game running in before the first Official could call the spot and give the Monarchs a first and took the ball back to the line of scrimmage and called it incomplete. What did the replay show you at home, and what were the game announcers saying? I had the feeling all along they were not going to reverse the call and give the ball to ODU.

After I got home from the game, I rewatched those last few minutes of the game. The announcers discussed whether he had control before he stepped out (it looked like he did). And they also discussed how hard it is to overturn the original call on the field. Basically, had they called it an interception it likely wouldn't have been overturned. Just bad break for our guys.

Their analyst didn't see the chop that Duhart got called for either.
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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(10-01-2018 09:59 AM)Monarch1987 Wrote:  From their Jumbo Tron the interception looked legit. Even the ECU fans thought it was, and a few were leaving. I noticed the official at the end of the field for that play waved his hands over his head ready to mark the ball for ODU at the 11. Another official game running in before the first Official could call the spot and give the Monarchs a first and took the ball back to the line of scrimmage and called it incomplete. What did the replay show you at home, and what were the game announcers saying? I had the feeling all along they were not going to reverse the call and give the ball to ODU.

There was no way the ref could have seen any bobble in live game speed. Especially the one that was not closest to the play. It should have been ruled an interception on the field and if it went to replay then there was not much to overturn the call.

We got screwed.
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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(10-01-2018 10:08 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 09:59 AM)Monarch1987 Wrote:  From their Jumbo Tron the interception looked legit. Even the ECU fans thought it was, and a few were leaving. I noticed the official at the end of the field for that play waved his hands over his head ready to mark the ball for ODU at the 11. Another official game running in before the first Official could call the spot and give the Monarchs a first and took the ball back to the line of scrimmage and called it incomplete. What did the replay show you at home, and what were the game announcers saying? I had the feeling all along they were not going to reverse the call and give the ball to ODU.

After I got home from the game, I rewatched those last few minutes of the game. The announcers discussed whether he had control before he stepped out (it looked like he did). And they also discussed how hard it is to overturn the original call on the field. Basically, had they called it an intervention it likely wouldn't have been overturned. Just bad break for our guys.

Their analyst didn't see the chop that Duhart got called for either.

He mentioned when he saw the flag that he was about to give him props for making two blocks in one until he saw the flag lol
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RE: Game 5: ODU @ ECU
(10-01-2018 09:37 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 09:22 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I have been defending the end of game pass plays, but I don't agree with everything. I think there are some interesting takeaways.

1. ECU should have won easily. Their coach made the dumbest decision of the night when he switched to the running quarterback and his team couldn't move the ball for most of the 2nd half. Everybody knows we can't stop the pass, and if you watched the Tech game you should have known we can stop your running qb. He saved the disaster by putting the real qb back in the game late, and as expected, we couldn't stop them.

2. Our play calling reverted back to run for 1 yard on 1st down every time putting the offense in a hole with 2nd and long and everyone knows you are going to pass. We did a good job of mixing it up against VT, and it worked.

3. Duhart is incredible. He is unstoppable.

4. Cox cannot be the primary back. He can be effective in the second half if we wear the defense down, but we need a little more quickness more often. I say split carries 50/50 with someone, anyone, who can run the ball in the 1st half, the let Cox bring it home late.

5.3rd downs! Why the hell have we been unable to get off the field on 3rd down for 10 years?

6. Pass defense it awful. Awful isn't even a strong enough word to describe it.

7. Everything that all of y'all are mad about, tracks back to #5. We can't stop anyone through the air, so BW felt he had to win it on offense and could not play traditional safe football down the stretch.

This team has improved, but it is still flawed. Winning consistently this year does not seem to be in the cards.

Good summary. I agree. Another to add is our o-line seems to really struggle with run blocking and they struggled with pass blocking late. They were able to hold off VT but not ECU? How does that make sense?

Another to add is I can appreciate BL chillin in the pocket longer than average, but he really should start rolling out more often as he is subject to his passes getting blocked at the line. He did an amazing job extending plays vs VT and didn't really see it against ECU. By the time he felt the pocket collapse it was too late.

Here is why we had more problems with ECU.

VT stubbornly stayed in a man press. Our 2 big WRs were able to go up and over their relatively small DBs and get the ball almost every time.
VT further stubbornly did not blitz much or otherwise try to put pressure on BL especially on the edges.
I mean no disrespect to Bud Foster, but I believe that his ego got the best of him on that game.

Three of four ECU DBs were over 6' so we lost the over the top advantage. The obvious example was the INT to Duhart in the end zone.
I believe (not sure, much beer) that ECU also utilized a lot of zone pass coverage as well. (VT should have done that)
Additionally, ECU went back to the old two-for-one 'beat ODU' formula of run/pass blitzes that bottle up inside zone run or pressure the passer at the same time, whether the play was run or pass,
ECU also ran some edge blitzes on obvious passing downs that contained BL's roll outs, especially late in the second half when they were less worried about the run.

All of the above could be greatly mitigated with a more versatile running game. I would especially like to see play action as well. Barring that, the OL needs to step up. It still seems to be too slow overall.
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