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(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

I agree. UC dedicated the resources to take away the biggest objection we were hearing for several years--the "outdated" arena. Many other schools would not, or could not, hand their basketball programs such a world class collegiate venue.

Maybe the computer generated animations aren't enough for prospective recruits; they'll need to walk into the building, step on the hardwood and stare up at that monster scoreboard. That reality begins next month. The clock is ticking on recruiting at the level you described.

Will Mick use the Davis opening to bring in a recruiter with bona fide credentials? I'd love to see it.

(09-24-2018 07:53 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:46 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

This right here. No more excuses.

Also, top 10 all time program, a program that has lived in the NCAA tourney for the past 30 years (save the post Huggs/Nancy debacle years), and a program that has guys in the NBA and a recent 1st round pick. There is no reason Gonzaga, Nevada, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Wichita, Xavier should all be racking in better classes than us.

The one thing about the recruiting classes is that you always have a higher ranked class the more players you bring in. Programs that bring in a bunch of JUCO guys or transfers (Nevada, Gonzaga, SMU) are always going to have higher ranked classes if you include those guys. Also programs like Xavier and Memphis that have had a ton of transfers out will be bringing in 5 freshman a year and will naturally have higher ranked classes.

(09-24-2018 08:36 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 07:53 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:46 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

This right here. No more excuses.

Also, top 10 all time program, a program that has lived in the NCAA tourney for the past 30 years (save the post Huggs/Nancy debacle years), and a program that has guys in the NBA and a recent 1st round pick. There is no reason Gonzaga, Nevada, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Wichita, Xavier should all be racking in better classes than us.

The one thing about the recruiting classes is that you always have a higher ranked class the more players you bring in. Programs that bring in a bunch of JUCO guys or transfers (Nevada, Gonzaga, SMU) are always going to have higher ranked classes if you include those guys. Also programs like Xavier and Memphis that have had a ton of transfers out will be bringing in 5 freshman a year and will naturally have higher ranked classes.

I think as whole those programs are just bringing in better recruits, setting aside annual "class rankings". Gonzaga rarely goes the JUCO/transfer route, I would say we go that route much more than them.

(09-24-2018 08:36 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 07:53 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:46 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

This right here. No more excuses.

Also, top 10 all time program, a program that has lived in the NCAA tourney for the past 30 years (save the post Huggs/Nancy debacle years), and a program that has guys in the NBA and a recent 1st round pick. There is no reason Gonzaga, Nevada, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Wichita, Xavier should all be racking in better classes than us.

The one thing about the recruiting classes is that you always have a higher ranked class the more players you bring in. Programs that bring in a bunch of JUCO guys or transfers (Nevada, Gonzaga, SMU) are always going to have higher ranked classes if you include those guys. Also programs like Xavier and Memphis that have had a ton of transfers out will be bringing in 5 freshman a year and will naturally have higher ranked classes.

Did UC suddenly change conferences and apperal companies? I think UC is seeing an uptick in recruiting but the real results will be seen in the 2020 class as that is the year where the new arena, new assistant coach, and open scholarships will be play in UC’s favor. 2019 is basically one spot unless someone leaves the program.

(09-24-2018 08:49 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 08:36 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 07:53 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:46 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

This right here. No more excuses. LOL, that didn't take long (see below)!

Also, top 10 all time program, a program that has lived in the NCAA tourney for the past 30 years (save the post Huggs/Nancy debacle years), and a program that has guys in the NBA and a recent 1st round pick. There is no reason Gonzaga, Nevada, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Wichita, Xavier should all be racking in better classes than us.

The one thing about the recruiting classes is that you always have a higher ranked class the more players you bring in. Programs that bring in a bunch of JUCO guys or transfers (Nevada, Gonzaga, SMU) are always going to have higher ranked classes if you include those guys. Also programs like Xavier and Memphis that have had a ton of transfers out will be bringing in 5 freshman a year and will naturally have higher ranked classes.

Did UC suddenly change conferences and apperal companies? I think UC is seeing an uptick in recruiting but the real results will be seen in the 2020 class as that is the year where the new arena, new assistant coach, and open scholarships will be play in UC’s favor. 2019 is basically one spot unless someone leaves the program.

(09-24-2018 08:29 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

I agree. UC dedicated the resources to take away the biggest objection we were hearing for several years--the "outdated" arena. Many other schools would not, or could not, hand their basketball programs such a world class collegiate venue.

Maybe the computer generated animations aren't enough for prospective recruits; they'll need to walk into the building, step on the hardwood and stare up at that monster scoreboard. That reality begins next month. The clock is ticking on recruiting at the level you described.

Will Mick use the Davis opening to bring in a recruiter with bona fide credentials? I'd love to see it.

It's definitely a big scoreboard, but in comparison, it's about the size of a VW bug compared to what Texas A&M put in last year...SEC money?

(09-24-2018 08:46 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 08:36 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 07:53 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:46 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

This right here. No more excuses.

Also, top 10 all time program, a program that has lived in the NCAA tourney for the past 30 years (save the post Huggs/Nancy debacle years), and a program that has guys in the NBA and a recent 1st round pick. There is no reason Gonzaga, Nevada, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Wichita, Xavier should all be racking in better classes than us.

The one thing about the recruiting classes is that you always have a higher ranked class the more players you bring in. Programs that bring in a bunch of JUCO guys or transfers (Nevada, Gonzaga, SMU) are always going to have higher ranked classes if you include those guys. Also programs like Xavier and Memphis that have had a ton of transfers out will be bringing in 5 freshman a year and will naturally have higher ranked classes.

I think as whole those programs are just bringing in better recruits, setting aside annual "class rankings". Gonzaga rarely goes the JUCO/transfer route, I would say we go that route much more than them.

Gonzaga loads up on transfers. They only have 3 on their roster now, but had as many as 5 or 6 the past few years. They kill it on international guys as well.

(09-24-2018 08:36 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  The one thing about the recruiting classes is that you always have a higher ranked class the more players you bring in. Programs that bring in a bunch of JUCO guys or transfers (Nevada, Gonzaga, SMU) are always going to have higher ranked classes if you include those guys. Also programs like Xavier and Memphis that have had a ton of transfers out will be bringing in 5 freshman a year and will naturally have higher ranked classes.

That is a great point, and I agree completely. However, when looking at average recruit rating among the schools OKIcat listed (and UConn for good measure), our recruiting still doesn't look stellar, with Cincinnati in the middle to bottom half in each of the past 3 recruiting cycles.

2019
UConn 96.94 (1)
Gonzaga 95.86 (3)
Memphis 93.15 (1)
Xavier 93.07 (4)
Cincinnati 91.87 (1)
Houston 90.42 (2)
Wichita State 88.57 (2)
SMU 87.08 (2)
Nevada 00.00 (0)

2018
Houston 95.78 (1)
Gonzaga 92.55 (2)
UConn 91.05 (1)
Nevada 90.64 (3)
Xavier 89.07 (3)
Cincinnati 89.00 (3)
Memphis 88.67 (7)
SMU 88.09 (2)
Wichita State 87.30 (7)

2017
Gonzaga 94.19 (1)
Xavier 92.63 (5)
Wichita State 91.00 (1)
UConn 89.66 (2)
SMU 87.82 (4)
Memphis 87.77 (8)
Cincinnati 86.55 (5)
Nevada 86.17 (2)
Houston 86.15 (5)

Now let's compare how many 4* and 5* players each school has pulled in over that time period. This is where it gets ugly, and is probably the source of many of the complaints around here:

Xavier 5
Gonzaga 4
Memphis 4
Houston 2
Nevada 1 (but was a 5*)
Cincinnati 1
UConn 1
SMU 0
Wichita State 0

(09-24-2018 10:00 AM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 08:29 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

I agree. UC dedicated the resources to take away the biggest objection we were hearing for several years--the "outdated" arena. Many other schools would not, or could not, hand their basketball programs such a world class collegiate venue.

Maybe the computer generated animations aren't enough for prospective recruits; they'll need to walk into the building, step on the hardwood and stare up at that monster scoreboard. That reality begins next month. The clock is ticking on recruiting at the level you described.

Will Mick use the Davis opening to bring in a recruiter with bona fide credentials? I'd love to see it.

It's definitely a big scoreboard, but in comparison, it's about the size of a VW bug compared to what Texas A&M put in last year...SEC money?

Yep. Our budget looks like a VW bug compared to their budget. I think we'll be very proud of what has been accomplished in 5/3 when the dust settles.

On the other hand, it looks like you could fit that crowd into a VW bug.

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(09-24-2018 07:06 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 10:00 AM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 08:29 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

I agree. UC dedicated the resources to take away the biggest objection we were hearing for several years--the "outdated" arena. Many other schools would not, or could not, hand their basketball programs such a world class collegiate venue.

Maybe the computer generated animations aren't enough for prospective recruits; they'll need to walk into the building, step on the hardwood and stare up at that monster scoreboard. That reality begins next month. The clock is ticking on recruiting at the level you described.

Will Mick use the Davis opening to bring in a recruiter with bona fide credentials? I'd love to see it.

It's definitely a big scoreboard, but in comparison, it's about the size of a VW bug compared to what Texas A&M put in last year...SEC money?

Yep. Our budget looks like a VW bug compared to their budget. I think we'll be very proud of what has been accomplished in 5/3 when the dust settles.

On the other hand, it looks like you could fit that crowd into a VW bug.

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It looks like a pretty good crowd for a womens volleyball game. I didnt think anyone went to those matches other than family.

(09-24-2018 07:33 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 07:06 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 10:00 AM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 08:29 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 08:40 PM)jarr Wrote:  Top 20 schedule, with games in on national TV against national powers (UCLA, OSU, X, Wich. St., etc), and a brand new state of the art on campus arena and facilities. There are no reasons Cronin shouldn't be pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, let alone top 50. I can't buy the excuses anymore.

I agree. UC dedicated the resources to take away the biggest objection we were hearing for several years--the "outdated" arena. Many other schools would not, or could not, hand their basketball programs such a world class collegiate venue.

Maybe the computer generated animations aren't enough for prospective recruits; they'll need to walk into the building, step on the hardwood and stare up at that monster scoreboard. That reality begins next month. The clock is ticking on recruiting at the level you described.

Will Mick use the Davis opening to bring in a recruiter with bona fide credentials? I'd love to see it.

It's definitely a big scoreboard, but in comparison, it's about the size of a VW bug compared to what Texas A&M put in last year...SEC money?

Yep. Our budget looks like a VW bug compared to their budget. I think we'll be very proud of what has been accomplished in 5/3 when the dust settles.

On the other hand, it looks like you could fit that crowd into a VW bug.

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It looks like a pretty good crowd for a womens volleyball game. I didnt think anyone went to those matches other than family.

There isn't much to do here in College Station...

Looking forward to the game in Dallas against SMU in October, though!

(04-13-2018 10:41 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 09:44 AM)djtothemoney Wrote:  "Mick doesn't play a tough schedule."

No, now it's "Mick only beats the cupcakes."

Kind've like how "global warming" has turned into "climate change".

Spot on!

Hey does anyone have any thoughts on second-round tournament exits or Mick Cronin's legacy? I can't find any threads on it.

(09-25-2018 07:31 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Hey does anyone have any thoughts on second-round tournament exits or Mick Cronin's legacy? I can't find any threads on it.

I am sure its next to the Nancy-Huggins thread or the 2012 conference realignment thread.

Before some of you go into the annual negativity and pessimism mode, can we give Mick, his staff, and the players their just due in winning a regular season conference championship (outright) and a conference tournament championship? Not to mention a Final AP Poll ranking of #6. Or, does that not matter anymore?

UC just released the schedule
https://gobearcats.com/news/2018/9/19/me...edule.aspx

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With Jacob, Gary, and Kyle out of the picture, I'm excited to see what kind of personality this team is gonna take on. Gary and Jake were kind of reserved, lead by example guys. Albeit REALLY good basketball players. The talent will definitely be down from last year but with Jarron, Trev, Tre, Nysier stepping into leadership roles, this group should be really fun to watch and root for. Swagger factor should tick up a bit this year. Just please God let us be able to shoot.

Per the article UC will play at NKU in 2020...

(09-25-2018 07:31 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Hey does anyone have any thoughts on second-round tournament exits or Mick Cronin's legacy? I can't find any threads on it.

Those threads are found on the "IF YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SH*T ABOUT COLLEGE BASKETBALL, POST HERE" board.