(09-26-2018 02:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  B I N G O!

Why didn't these women come forward the day Kavanaugh was named? Why are these women coming forward when it's 5 minutes to midnight?

BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO POST ON THIS THREAD! Your immediate reaction is to call them liars. Do we STILL have to explain to you why women don't report sexual assaults, etc.?

doesn't explain the fact that their stories have inconsistencies...

Account for you daily activity from decades ago.

Look dude, that's why most all of us are only calling for a pause in the hearings while a credible investigation takes place. It would not take long.

what is a credible investigation for you? Done by the FBI?

Okay, I've cleaned up most of the personal attacks I could find and they were multiple by multiple posters.

You had better think before you assault another poster because next time I won't even blink in handing out bans.

The level of vitriol in this thread has been off the charts.

ENOUGH!

(09-26-2018 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 01:20 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 01:13 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  You would believe anything they say, no matter how absurd. Even accusations this vague and unprovable from 40 years ago when they are kids.

Its just a sad display all around.

People lack honesty and lack self-awareness. Their political views overtake all reason and fairness.

More sweeping generalization that has no basis in reality.

They should listen to the women, and take the time to check out their accusations. None of that equates with blind belief.

The only people who are lacking honesty & self-awareness in this are the people who are not willing to hear the other side of the coin - people like the repubs who let their political views overtake all reason and fairness, and want to just push him through regardless of the things that have been said about him.

B I N G O!

Why didn't these women come forward the day Kavanaugh was named? Why are these women coming forward when it's 5 minutes to midnight?

BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO POST ON THIS THREAD! Your immediate reaction is to call them liars. Do we STILL have to explain to you why women don't report sexual assaults, etc.?

If this woman saw rape being committed and did not alert authorities she is complicit.

(09-26-2018 02:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Why didn't these women come forward the day Kavanaugh was named? Why are these women coming forward when it's 5 minutes to midnight?

BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO POST ON THIS THREAD! Your immediate reaction is to call them liars. Do we STILL have to explain to you why women don't report sexual assaults, etc.?

doesn't explain the fact that their stories have inconsistencies...

Account for you daily activity from decades ago.

Look dude, that's why most all of us are only calling for a pause in the hearings while a credible investigation takes place. It would not take long.

what is a credible investigation for you? Done by the FBI?

If I've said it once I've said it 10 times now...an investigation by ANY CREDIBLE BODY at this point. The FBI is likely the best qualified, but I'd be fine with any party independent from either political party or the senate committee.

(09-26-2018 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO POST ON THIS THREAD! Your immediate reaction is to call them liars. Do we STILL have to explain to you why women don't report sexual assaults, etc.?

doesn't explain the fact that their stories have inconsistencies...

Account for you daily activity from decades ago.

Look dude, that's why most all of us are only calling for a pause in the hearings while a credible investigation takes place. It would not take long.

what is a credible investigation for you? Done by the FBI?

If I've said it once I've said it 10 times now...an investigation by ANY CREDIBLE BODY at this point. The FBI is likely the best qualified, but I'd be fine with any party independent from either political party or the senate committee.

so you think that the FBI is going to find something much different from the 6 previous investigations that they have done in regards to his background?

(09-26-2018 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO POST ON THIS THREAD! Your immediate reaction is to call them liars. Do we STILL have to explain to you why women don't report sexual assaults, etc.?

doesn't explain the fact that their stories have inconsistencies...

Account for you daily activity from decades ago.

Look dude, that's why most all of us are only calling for a pause in the hearings while a credible investigation takes place. It would not take long.

what is a credible investigation for you? Done by the FBI?

If I've said it once I've said it 10 times now...an investigation by ANY CREDIBLE BODY at this point. The FBI is likely the best qualified, but I'd be fine with any party independent from either political party or the senate committee.

Sadly, that would rule out the current form of our Federal Bureau of Investigations.

(09-26-2018 02:17 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 01:20 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  More sweeping generalization that has no basis in reality.

They should listen to the women, and take the time to check out their accusations. None of that equates with blind belief.

The only people who are lacking honesty & self-awareness in this are the people who are not willing to hear the other side of the coin - people like the repubs who let their political views overtake all reason and fairness, and want to just push him through regardless of the things that have been said about him.

B I N G O!

Why didn't these women come forward the day Kavanaugh was named? Why are these women coming forward when it's 5 minutes to midnight?

BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO POST ON THIS THREAD! Your immediate reaction is to call them liars. Do we STILL have to explain to you why women don't report sexual assaults, etc.?

Ah yes, you're right. I recall now Cankles calling them liars.

You know when I call them liars, I call them liars when I look at everything they've said happened, named witnesses, and those same witnesses say they don't know what the **** they're talking about. I call them liars when they're trotted out at the last second to delay the process. I call them liars when they're libs because everyone knows that liberals have no higher authority than their politics. I call them liars because they're represented by a long list of political hacks who lie.

The only problem in all this is that there is nothing official on the record. You're basing things on media reports, etc. We need an investigation, where witnesses can be put under oath...and all of them are actually heard from. Including Judge. And as I've said numerous times now, these women could very well all be lying. But I'm not the one calling them or Kavanaugh a liar without the freaking investigation. So stop telling me that I'm the problem here!

And as we've explained again and again, timing has no bearing on anything here and you should know that. There is countless credible research on why women don't report and acting like them coming forward now means they are lying is just, well, ignorant.

(09-26-2018 02:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  doesn't explain the fact that their stories have inconsistencies...

Account for you daily activity from decades ago.

Look dude, that's why most all of us are only calling for a pause in the hearings while a credible investigation takes place. It would not take long.

what is a credible investigation for you? Done by the FBI?

If I've said it once I've said it 10 times now...an investigation by ANY CREDIBLE BODY at this point. The FBI is likely the best qualified, but I'd be fine with any party independent from either political party or the senate committee.

so you think that the FBI is going to find something much different from the 6 previous investigations that they have done in regards to his background?

So, the FBI who did the background checks, FLAWLESS, but the one handling trump-Russia are all DEEP STATE HACKS? What a wonderful world you've created...lol

But bottom line, how the hell will I know if the FBI is going to find anything if you refuse to let them even investigate the allegations?

when Bill Clinton lied about what he did? He should have been completely removed from office. Trump lied about his extra-martial affairs, and peeping in on teenage girls at the pageant, should be behind bars. Kavanaugh and Judge should go to prison just like Bill Cosby. Jamies Winston is finally being #METOO out of the picture. Kavanaugh is dead, and will not see the inside chambers of the SC.

(09-26-2018 02:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The only problem in all this is that there is nothing official on the record. You're basing things on media reports, etc. We need an investigation, where witnesses can be put under oath...and all of them are actually heard from. Including Judge. And as I've said numerous times now, these women could very well all be lying. But I'm not the one calling them or Kavanaugh a liar without the freaking investigation. So stop telling me that I'm the problem here!

And as we've explained again and again, timing has no bearing on anything here and you should know that. There is countless credible research on why women don't report and acting like them coming forward now means they are lying is just, well, ignorant.

Witnesses have been named. They've said under penaly of perjury that what Ford said, never happened. Even her lifelong friend, a female, said this. How many eye witnesses have come forward claiming that Ford, Rameriz, or the other woman's claims are accurate? EVERY single claim that has been made involves multiple people supposedly there watching the events. Friggin' parties with women pulling trains, drinking, and yet not a single witness has come forward and said, "I was there and what she said is accurate......I saw Kavanaugh doing XYZ".

This is all about delaying the process, and trying to monkey with an upcoming election. Nothing more. Screw 'em. They had their chance over the last few MONTHS to come forward.

Vote yes or no, but hold the vote.

(09-26-2018 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Account for you daily activity from decades ago.

Look dude, that's why most all of us are only calling for a pause in the hearings while a credible investigation takes place. It would not take long.

what is a credible investigation for you? Done by the FBI?

If I've said it once I've said it 10 times now...an investigation by ANY CREDIBLE BODY at this point. The FBI is likely the best qualified, but I'd be fine with any party independent from either political party or the senate committee.

so you think that the FBI is going to find something much different from the 6 previous investigations that they have done in regards to his background?

So, the FBI who did the background checks, FLAWLESS, but the one handling trump-Russia are all DEEP STATE HACKS? What a wonderful world you've created...lol

But bottom line, how the hell will I know if the FBI is going to find anything if you refuse to let them even investigate the allegations?

The background checks go all the way back to the age of 18 and nothing was found. How far you want them to go back?

(09-26-2018 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Account for you daily activity from decades ago.

Look dude, that's why most all of us are only calling for a pause in the hearings while a credible investigation takes place. It would not take long.

what is a credible investigation for you? Done by the FBI?

If I've said it once I've said it 10 times now...an investigation by ANY CREDIBLE BODY at this point. The FBI is likely the best qualified, but I'd be fine with any party independent from either political party or the senate committee.

so you think that the FBI is going to find something much different from the 6 previous investigations that they have done in regards to his background?

So, the FBI who did the background checks, FLAWLESS, but the one handling trump-Russia are all DEEP STATE HACKS? What a wonderful world you've created...lol

But bottom line, how the hell will I know if the FBI is going to find anything if you refuse to let them even investigate the allegations?

But doesn't the reverse also hold true. We want the FBI to investigate these allegations and trust the outcome when they've already performed 6 background investigations and not turned up anything.
I had one of these done on me for a security clearance and they are pretty thorough. I would have a hard time thinking if Kavanaugh was the deviant he is being made out to be they wouldn't have come across someone who recalled him as such.

(09-26-2018 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 01:14 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 01:08 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 01:02 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  If you believe in due process, the burden of proof is not on him.

The burden of proof should never be on him. Expecially when the accusations are this vague and unprovable.

What a disgusting predicent that would set.

He's already been throughly vetted by the FBI and sitting on the court for years HE HAS CREDIBILTY.

These accusations have none at this point.

So let me get this straight. Any women who comes forward with a rape allegation against anyone, but has no evidence, automatically has no credibility?

If you honestly believe that, that's reprehensible. Not to mention, Exhibit A as to why women don't report!

So let me get this straight. Any women who comes forward with a rape allegation against anyone, but has no evidence, automatically should be believed, even if it means destroying the accused?

If you honestly believe that, that's reprehensible.

Well, if you've paid even a modicum of attention to my posts on the matter, I've never once said these women are all credible and believable, rather that an actual investigation needs to take place, so sorry, you lose. Good day sir!

Most of what we have heard hasn't even been verifiable. If a story has legs, I agree it needs to be investigated. But it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is just a stalling tactic by the Dims. Of course all you Dims lap it up.

(09-26-2018 02:37 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  what is a credible investigation for you? Done by the FBI?

If I've said it once I've said it 10 times now...an investigation by ANY CREDIBLE BODY at this point. The FBI is likely the best qualified, but I'd be fine with any party independent from either political party or the senate committee.

so you think that the FBI is going to find something much different from the 6 previous investigations that they have done in regards to his background?

So, the FBI who did the background checks, FLAWLESS, but the one handling trump-Russia are all DEEP STATE HACKS? What a wonderful world you've created...lol

But bottom line, how the hell will I know if the FBI is going to find anything if you refuse to let them even investigate the allegations?

But doesn't the reverse also hold true. We want the FBI to investigate these allegations and trust the outcome when they've already performed 6 background investigations and not turned up anything.
I had one of these done on me for a security clearance and they are pretty thorough. I would have a hard time thinking if Kavanaugh was the deviant he is being made out to be they wouldn't have come across someone who recalled him as such.

How did the FBI really missed the entries for Kavanaugh in the Yearbook that he contributed? They should have caught that when Bush nominated him. He would have been disqualified back then, and we would not be facing this issue today. What he added to described himself in high school in the Yearbook matches to what the three victims are now claiming. Both him and Judge bragged in recent years that they drink beer and all that. What is damning to Kavanaugh was what he entered in the Yearbook.

None of this matters. Democrats are fighting a Jihad Against Evil and will not stop until their enemies are destroyed, one way or the other. Ruining a man's reputation to try to win seats is perfectly OK when your enemy is "evil" and you are by default obviously "good". Committing evil in the name of good to defeat evil is OK. If Kavanaugh withdraws they'll let him go back to his previous job and won't say **** about it. ALL this will stop. The three accusers will return to anonymity and the Democrats will be satisfied until Trump pulls out the Uber-conservative lady judge.

Then they will try to destroy her too.

The ends justify the means.

(09-26-2018 02:13 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Someone help me out here. There have been so many claims and counter-claims that I can't keep up. How many witnesses is it now that have come forward and said, "yes, I was there and saw Kavanaugh doing dry humping Ford, flashing Rameriz, or pulling a train with the latest chick"?

I believe it's all the way up to zero.

Why would anyone of quality ever want to subject themselves and their families to this kind of shitstorm? I would never consider running for office for this crap right here. His high school yearbook, really? What we get is what we deserve, swamp critters.

(09-26-2018 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:18 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Account for you daily activity from decades ago.

Look dude, that's why most all of us are only calling for a pause in the hearings while a credible investigation takes place. It would not take long.

what is a credible investigation for you? Done by the FBI?

If I've said it once I've said it 10 times now...an investigation by ANY CREDIBLE BODY at this point. The FBI is likely the best qualified, but I'd be fine with any party independent from either political party or the senate committee.

so you think that the FBI is going to find something much different from the 6 previous investigations that they have done in regards to his background?

So, the FBI who did the background checks, FLAWLESS, but the one handling trump-Russia are all DEEP STATE HACKS? What a wonderful world you've created...lol

But bottom line, how the hell will I know if the FBI is going to find anything if you refuse to let them even investigate the allegations?

(09-26-2018 01:18 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  She may not have been a kid. She is over two years older than Kavanaugh. She would have been well over 18 in 82 and she was going to school at the U of Maryland then. She was born 12/30/1962 which would have made her 19 in the summer of 82 and 20 in the summer of 83.
Oh and her Mylife page is changing by the minute. She is now African American again.
Swetnick mylife page

Man, she makes less than David. What a loser.

(09-26-2018 12:26 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 11:44 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  So is she suggesting that Kavanaughs high school is the most rapey school in the country, where girls are gang-raped at every party but she decided to keep going to them anyway?

Who are these dozens of rapists? Where are the dozens of victims? Why the f**k did no one ever file a police report if this was routinely happening?

You haven't been paying attention if you don't know why victims don't always report, especially back then.

I understand why some victims dont report, but thats missing the point of my post. The point was this: what are the odds of there 1) being multiple rapists at a particular high school, 2) who plan parties to intoxicate victims as a group, and 3) who routinely engage in gang rapes of victims. Additionally, what are the odds that girls would knowingly continue to attend these parties after witnessing other girls being gang raped routinely? And what are the odds that none of the victims, witnesses, or participants would report such misconduct to police? Not a peep for 35+ years? I think the chances of that are virtually nil.

As far as the 3 accusers, Ford might have been credible but her statements have been rebutted by everyone involved. The 2nd accusers allegations are not believable on their face. She had to talk to a lawyer to help her remember that it was Kavanaugh? Thats crazy. And the 3rd accusers allegations are extreme and highly highly unlikely to be true.