https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/...professors

Professors are even more Democratic than I had believed.

"...Democrats dominate most fields. In religion, Langbert’s survey found that the ratio of Democrats to Republicans is 70 to 1. In music, it is 33 to 1. In biology, it is 21 to 1. In philosophy, history and psychology, it is 17 to 1. In political science, it is 8 to 1.

The gap is narrower in science and engineering. In physics, economics and mathematics, the ratio is about 6 to 1. In chemistry, it is 5 to 1, and in engineering, it is just 1.6 to 1. Still, Lambert found no field in which Republicans are more numerous than Democrats.

True, these figures do not include the many professors who do not have a political affiliation, either because they are not registered at all or because they have not declared themselves as Democrats or Republicans. And, true, the ratios vary dramatically across colleges.

The faculties of Wellesley, Williams and Swarthmore are overwhelmingly Democratic, with ratios at or above 120 to 1. At Harvey Mudd and Lafayette, the ratios are 6 to 1. At the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis, it is 2.3 to 1; it is just 1.3 to 1 at West Point.

But despite the variability, none of the 51 colleges had more Republicans than Democrats. According to the survey, over a third of them had no Republicans at all...."

(09-18-2018 04:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/...professors

Professors are even more Democratic than I had believed.

"...Democrats dominate most fields. In religion, Langbert’s survey found that the ratio of Democrats to Republicans is 70 to 1. In music, it is 33 to 1. In biology, it is 21 to 1. In philosophy, history and psychology, it is 17 to 1. In political science, it is 8 to 1.

The gap is narrower in science and engineering. In physics, economics and mathematics, the ratio is about 6 to 1. In chemistry, it is 5 to 1, and in engineering, it is just 1.6 to 1. Still, Lambert found no field in which Republicans are more numerous than Democrats.

True, these figures do not include the many professors who do not have a political affiliation, either because they are not registered at all or because they have not declared themselves as Democrats or Republicans. And, true, the ratios vary dramatically across colleges.

The faculties of Wellesley, Williams and Swarthmore are overwhelmingly Democratic, with ratios at or above 120 to 1. At Harvey Mudd and Lafayette, the ratios are 6 to 1. At the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis, it is 2.3 to 1; it is just 1.3 to 1 at West Point.

But despite the variability, none of the 51 colleges had more Republicans than Democrats. According to the survey, over a third of them had no Republicans at all...."

That's because Republicans actually go out in the real world, get jobs and deal with other adults all day instead of kids.

A coworker is retired Navy. He gets a magazine (can't remember the name) and brings it to work every so often. I'll ask him the name of the mag next time I see him.

One issue I was reading had an article about political party makeup in the military.

By far with over 70% the largest group was Republican.

That was followed by Independents.

Democrats brought up the rear with under 10%.


What does this tell us?

Conservatives make it our mission to keep America free while liberals make it their mission to destroy American from the inside.

I would love to meet these conservative music professors. I bet they have a support group

I just wonder if any of the professors say they are Dems to avoid retribution, nah probably not, they are all isolated in their lib cocoon far away from the real world. Bad thing is they influence young minds, which is why Millennials lean left.


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(09-18-2018 06:00 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I just wonder if any of the professors say they are Dems to avoid retribution, nah probably not, they are all isolated in their lib cocoon far away from the real world. Bad thing is they influence young minds, which is why Millennials lean left.


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I worked on a college campus for nearly 2 decades. There are conservatives in academic and administrative positions but they fear retribution for their conservative opinions so they keep their mouths closed or talk amongst those who are like minded that they trust.

(09-18-2018 04:51 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Republicans actually go out in the real world, get jobs and deal with other adults all day instead of kids.

Good news for most adults. Bad news for most college students and their parents.

(09-18-2018 07:54 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 04:51 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Republicans actually go out in the real world, get jobs and deal with other adults all day instead of kids.

Good news for most adults. Bad news for most college students and their parents.

I'm a professor and I tend to vote Republican. But I'm in the business school teaching finance. So I actually make a living wage and teach useful skills.

Engineering professors also teach useful skills, and they tend to not care about politics.

Most economics professors (and especially finance professors, which is the highest paying sub-discipline of econ) are disciples of Milton Friedman, so most of them traditionally vote Republican. If they vote at all, because at least 3/4 are foreign-born - that's what happens when even MAC schools pay more than the top European schools for b-school professors. But their voting patterns changed in 2016 because Trump is is generally seen to be more in favor of government interventions in the economy than the Clintons (just look at what he's done with tariffs).

But I agree that liberals are dominant at universities. I was told this year by the Teaching Center that I need to ask my students their preferred gender pronouns on the first day of class. I almost told them to shove it up their a@@ - I'm teaching these kids how to get a damn job and make a difference in the world! and the first thing they need to learn is that no one gives a damn about your feelings.

Educated people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. No surprise.

Since voter registration and party affiliation is public record I have no doubt registered Republicans may be deemed "not a good fit" in the hiring process

(09-18-2018 09:07 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Educated people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. No surprise.

Correction-"Overeducated" people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. People who live in the real world and don't get PhDs who are educated are still heavily Republican.

(09-18-2018 09:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Trump is is generally seen to be more in favor of government interventions in the economy than the Clintons (just look at what he's done with tariffs).

The Clintons would have meddled in different ways, and on behalf of different constituencies, but they would have been (if given the chance) just as “interventionist” as Trump actually has been. After 40+ years in politics, their track record is simply indisputable.

Quote:I was told this year by the Teaching Center that I need to ask my students their preferred gender pronouns on the first day of class. I almost told them to shove it up their a@@

If I may ask: did you comply with the instruction from “the Teaching Center”?

(09-18-2018 09:07 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Educated people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. No surprise.

Yep, the over educated and the under educated.


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(09-18-2018 09:07 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Educated people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. No surprise.

They must be Mensas..................like you.

(09-18-2018 09:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 09:07 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Educated people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. No surprise.

Correction-"Overeducated" people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. People who live in the real world and don't get PhDs who are educated are still heavily Republican.

http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1...ps/2_6-10/

54% of college graduates lean Democratic compared to 39% that lean Republican. That is a complete reversal from 1994.
63% of those with post-graduate degrees lean Democratic compared to just 31% that lean Republican.

(09-18-2018 09:22 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 09:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Trump is is generally seen to be more in favor of government interventions in the economy than the Clintons (just look at what he's done with tariffs).

The Clintons would have meddled in different ways, and on behalf of different constituencies, but they would have been (if given the chance) just as “interventionist” as Trump actually has been. After 40+ years in politics, their track record is simply indisputable.

Quote:I was told this year by the Teaching Center that I need to ask my students their preferred gender pronouns on the first day of class. I almost told them to shove it up their a@@

If I may ask: did you comply with the instruction from “the Teaching Center”?

No.

Academia is a wildly different beast than a real job. It's so different that I think of my 14-month career in finance as "back when I worked a real job."

Most universities are run by the professors, with guidance from the President and the Staff.

Who hires the Dean? A committee made up mostly of professors. Who hires the President? A committee that includes a lot of deans and professors.

If the teaching center, advising center, or even the dean of your college tells you that you must do something, it's really just a suggestion.

It's wise to be polite about it, of course, and at the end of the day if you say something stupid that could reach the newspapers then it's essential to have the department chair or the dean as an ally. But if you're not stupid, then as long as you do a minimum amount of research and don't piss off your students then they can't do a damn thing. If the department head doesn't like you, the worst he can do is take away your summer bonus earning opportunities (at a school outside the top 80-100, this means you get the summer off). At some schools the department head might be able to screw you over and make you teach more classes, but those are generally subject to some pretty strict regulations about your research productivity. On the other hand, if the dean & department head are on your side you're untouchable. I know one guy who didn't show up for 1/3 of his classes one semester and he didn't even get reprimanded.

The reason for this setup is that the professors really ARE the experts. If you're granted tenure, it's because you worked your rear end off for 10+ years (more in the hard sciences) with little supervision. So you can't make it if you're not highly self-motivated to learn more about your topic. A president, dean, or even a department head can't possibly stay up to date - they've got too much paperwork to do. So when it comes to classroom content or style, the professors can pretty much do whatever they want.

Those that can, do.

Those that cannot, teach.

Yes, I just said that.

(09-18-2018 09:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 09:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 09:07 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Educated people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. No surprise.

Correction-"Overeducated" people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. People who live in the real world and don't get PhDs who are educated are still heavily Republican.

http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1...ps/2_6-10/

54% of college graduates lean Democratic compared to 39% that lean Republican. That is a complete reversal from 1994.
63% of those with post-graduate degrees lean Democratic compared to just 31% that lean Republican.

Kinda backs up the OP

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(09-18-2018 09:07 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Educated people are increasingly identifying as Democrats. No surprise.

There's some truth to this. But it raises a follow-up question: does education somehow preclude basic decency?

What the Democrat Party is now doing in the Kavanaugh hearings, in lockstep fashion, violates every norm of decent behavior. Yet not a single Democrat senator has so far spoken out about the unfairness of what is happening. It is instead the Republicans who are once again bending the rules in order to be "fair" to this last-minute, underhanded character-assassination attempt. It must require an impressive level of education to override these fundamental concepts of fairness and decency.

Even for those of us who despise who Donald Trump is as a person, the Democrat Party is coming out by far as the villain in this matter. I've written to both of my senators to let them know my feelings on this. But they both are highly educated. So I am sure that they know better than I do.