The first season is 12 games. That’s the season where you hope for greatness. 10 wins, a conf. Champ., and really good bowl.

The second season is 8 games of in-conference play where you hope to win your division and get a so-so bowl along with a conference championship.

It’s safe to say that first season is gone. This offense is only built for Mac play and I’d suggest that fans now adjust their attention on the second season.

(09-02-2018 11:26 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The first season is 12 games. That’s the season where you hope for greatness. 10 wins, a conf. Champ., and really good bowl.

The second season is 8 games of in-conference play where you hope to win your division and get a so-so bowl along with a conference championship.

It’s safe to say that first season is gone. This offense is only built for Mac play and I’d suggest that fans now adjust their attention on the second season.

Just remember that CMU is in the MAC, as is Toledo, WMU, and other fine teams. When you have no offense and a crap coaching staff, there aren't many games you'll win in any conference. We may be in a fight for last place.

So basically you are saying we are just an average team at best if it's built for just for MAC play

(09-02-2018 11:33 AM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  So basically you are saying we are just an average team at best if it's built for just for MAC play

Question - What gets disconnected NIU alum more engaged: 1) An opening season win vs Iowa or a winless OOC but a MAC championship?

I would say a win vs Iowa

Three seasons may be closer reality:

1) Greatness - 12 games
2) OOC - 4 games to ready for MWC
3) Real season - play for division title and championship game

I do think NIU should not be West or conference favorites anymore. This team has issues that are as deep as any team in memory to begin a year. I know the last year of Novak was a disaster but that was due more to injury. This might be the least talent NIU has had on a team since the late 90s

At this point I’m now just worried about a division crown. They have 3 games to get this offense figured out. Even if they lose to CMU, they can win the division by beating Toledo and WMU. CMU won’t win the west. So Utah, CMU and FSU are games to get the qb situation right. Whether that’s going to Hall of Thompson or finding anything Childers can do well within the framework of this stupid offense.

Its sad that we are one of the few West teams that had a QB coming back but by the end of the year we might have the worst QB in the West

(09-02-2018 11:53 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  At this point I’m now just worried about a division crown. They have 3 games to get this offense figured out. Even if they lose to CMU, they can win the division by beating Toledo and WMU. CMU won’t win the west. So Utah, CMU and FSU are games to get the qb situation right. Whether that’s going to Hall of Thompson or finding anything Childers can do well within the framework of this stupid offense.

Any change in QB would be absolutely meaningless and simply an appeasement to those calling for heads at this point. The problem is with the head coach, and until you cure the illness the symptoms are always going to be there. The actual person playing QB means very little right now, its a failed system.

(09-02-2018 12:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 11:53 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  At this point I’m now just worried about a division crown. They have 3 games to get this offense figured out. Even if they lose to CMU, they can win the division by beating Toledo and WMU. CMU won’t win the west. So Utah, CMU and FSU are games to get the qb situation right. Whether that’s going to Hall of Thompson or finding anything Childers can do well within the framework of this stupid offense.

Any change in QB would be absolutely meaningless and simply an appeasement to those calling for heads at this point. The problem is with the head coach, and until you cure the illness the symptoms are always going to be there. The actual person playing QB means very little right now, its a failed system.

There’s no denying the problems with the play calling, but you’re compounding the issue with Childers in there. Hopefully there’s a qb on the roster with some balls to make the right read and fire the ball in without hesitation. And even more hopefully he is very successful before he throws his first pick.

(09-02-2018 12:43 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 11:53 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  At this point I’m now just worried about a division crown. They have 3 games to get this offense figured out. Even if they lose to CMU, they can win the division by beating Toledo and WMU. CMU won’t win the west. So Utah, CMU and FSU are games to get the qb situation right. Whether that’s going to Hall of Thompson or finding anything Childers can do well within the framework of this stupid offense.

Any change in QB would be absolutely meaningless and simply an appeasement to those calling for heads at this point. The problem is with the head coach, and until you cure the illness the symptoms are always going to be there. The actual person playing QB means very little right now, its a failed system.

There’s no denying the problems with the play calling, but you’re compounding the issue with Childers in there. Hopefully there’s a qb on the roster with some balls to make the right read and fire the ball in without hesitation. And even more hopefully he is very successful before he throws his first pick.

I'm guessing Thompson once threw an interception in practice which essentially gets him exiled to siberia. Any QB on our roster with the guts to try to make a play will never start for Carey. I wonder, if he hadn't inherited Lynch, if Lynch would have even played.

(09-02-2018 12:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:43 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 11:53 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  At this point I’m now just worried about a division crown. They have 3 games to get this offense figured out. Even if they lose to CMU, they can win the division by beating Toledo and WMU. CMU won’t win the west. So Utah, CMU and FSU are games to get the qb situation right. Whether that’s going to Hall of Thompson or finding anything Childers can do well within the framework of this stupid offense.

Any change in QB would be absolutely meaningless and simply an appeasement to those calling for heads at this point. The problem is with the head coach, and until you cure the illness the symptoms are always going to be there. The actual person playing QB means very little right now, its a failed system.

There’s no denying the problems with the play calling, but you’re compounding the issue with Childers in there. Hopefully there’s a qb on the roster with some balls to make the right read and fire the ball in without hesitation. And even more hopefully he is very successful before he throws his first pick.

I'm guessing Thompson once threw an interception in practice which essentially gets him exiled to siberia. Any QB on our roster with the guts to try to make a play will never start for Carey. I wonder, if he hadn't inherited Lynch, if Lynch would have even played.

I’m hoping beyond all hope that Carey will learn from this. I know that seems impossible, but I think he has learned from a few of his other mistakes. I think keeping Hall at QB and not committing him 100% to wr could be what he learned from the Maddie mistake. I know he’s a blockhead but I hope there’s just overwhelming pressure to try things differently at qb. He has to know what he’s doing is failing-even if he doesn’t think it’s his fault

(09-02-2018 12:43 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 11:53 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  At this point I’m now just worried about a division crown. They have 3 games to get this offense figured out. Even if they lose to CMU, they can win the division by beating Toledo and WMU. CMU won’t win the west. So Utah, CMU and FSU are games to get the qb situation right. Whether that’s going to Hall of Thompson or finding anything Childers can do well within the framework of this stupid offense.

Any change in QB would be absolutely meaningless and simply an appeasement to those calling for heads at this point. The problem is with the head coach, and until you cure the illness the symptoms are always going to be there. The actual person playing QB means very little right now, its a failed system.

There’s no denying the problems with the play calling, but you’re compounding the issue with Childers in there. Hopefully there’s a qb on the roster with some balls to make the right read and fire the ball in without hesitation. And even more hopefully he is very successful before he throws his first pick.

+1
He waits until someone is WIDE open before throwing the ball.
That is not going to happen every play and then he waits 5-6 seconds which results in a sack.

BYU took care of business in Tucson last night. They look solid to say the least. This has potential to get ugly.

Anyone have inside information on the injuries yesterday? Kyle Pugh, one of the DB's went out too,

Thought I saw Pugh in there later in the game.

Pugh was playing in the 4th qtr.

(09-02-2018 11:26 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The first season is 12 games. That’s the season where you hope for greatness. 10 wins, a conf. Champ., and really good bowl.

The second season is 8 games of in-conference play where you hope to win your division and get a so-so bowl along with a conference championship.

It’s safe to say that first season is gone. This offense is only built for Mac play and I’d suggest that fans now adjust their attention on the second season.

I am not even sure what that means, other than being optimistic, negative into a positive.

I think what you are implying is that the defense is good enough to get job done, hold crap MAC teams to 14 or less.That they can score 20,30 against these incompetent MAC teams than make up a big chunk of the worst 20 teams in the country. Then they play 2-3 avg/good teams and lose. Since they don't play their cupcake this year, 6 wins may be a big hurdle. But if they can go 6-6 they can look forward to their annual ass kicking in a bowl vs. a mediocre team.

Time to start over at 6-6 or worse, 7-5 w/ bowl loss.

(09-02-2018 02:25 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 11:26 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The first season is 12 games. That’s the season where you hope for greatness. 10 wins, a conf. Champ., and really good bowl.

The second season is 8 games of in-conference play where you hope to win your division and get a so-so bowl along with a conference championship.

It’s safe to say that first season is gone. This offense is only built for Mac play and I’d suggest that fans now adjust their attention on the second season.

I am not even sure what that means, other than being optimistic, negative into a positive.

I think what you are implying is that the defense is good enough to get job done, hold crap MAC teams to 14 or less.That they can score 20,30 against these incompetent MAC teams than make up a big chunk of the worst 20 teams in the country. Then they play 2-3 avg/good teams and lose. Since they don't play their cupcake this year, 6 wins may be a big hurdle. But if they can go 6-6 they can look forward to their annual ass kicking in a bowl vs. a mediocre team.

Time to start over at 6-6 or worse, 7-5 w/ bowl loss.

Sigh... annual bowl ass kicking has become a trend.

(09-02-2018 02:25 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 11:26 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The first season is 12 games. That’s the season where you hope for greatness. 10 wins, a conf. Champ., and really good bowl.

The second season is 8 games of in-conference play where you hope to win your division and get a so-so bowl along with a conference championship.

It’s safe to say that first season is gone. This offense is only built for Mac play and I’d suggest that fans now adjust their attention on the second season.

I am not even sure what that means, other than being optimistic, negative into a positive.

I think what you are implying is that the defense is good enough to get job done, hold crap MAC teams to 14 or less.That they can score 20,30 against these incompetent MAC teams than make up a big chunk of the worst 20 teams in the country. Then they play 2-3 avg/good teams and lose. Since they don't play their cupcake this year, 6 wins may be a big hurdle. But if they can go 6-6 they can look forward to their annual ass kicking in a bowl vs. a mediocre team.

Time to start over at 6-6 or worse, 7-5 w/ bowl loss.

The teams with just slightly better athletes have the ability to recover and hold those short routes to minimal or no gain. So much of our O is based on run-after-catch, but that’s not there against better teams. Same with the qb runs. Those holes close up too fast for average athletes like Childers. I’m not saying Iowa is way more talented, but success in football is often measured in just inches.

Was expecting 0-4 in the non conference games. Problem is STF has set this team up for failure this year. There is no way we’re getting through that gauntlet of OOC games unscathed. And the injuries will cost us as we head into conference play.