(08-26-2018 04:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:10 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 02:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I predicted 4. This team will have to improve a lot to make that happen. I'm going to be optimistic that this staff can get that done. I think there are CUSA teams that are not so much better than Prairie View as to make 4 wins impossible. But it's going to take squeezing every bit of talent out of this group to get there.
The one thing that I see as glaring is we need a lot more speed on defense. The other is there were still to many silly penalties.
The good news is that, no matter how great a coaching job he and his staff do, I don't think there is any way we win enough this year for any of them to attract offers to hire them away. The better news is that I think they're good enough that we don't want any of them getting hired away.

??? Were we watching the same game? Given this was the first game of the season, with a very young and inexperienced roster, a couple delay penalties, one hold and one questionable unsportsmanlike penalty is not what I'd classify as "many silly penalties".

Maybe my standards are higher in that regard. 2 false starts and 2 delays is too many. OO and I have been debating this for years, we need to clean it up or I'm going to look like the foolish one. I do think these will be addressed, and I don't expect them to continue.

False starts I put on the player, not the coaching. Delays could be on the coaching. But in any case, we don't need any penalties at all in the red zone or on first and goal.

(08-26-2018 05:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:10 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 02:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I predicted 4. This team will have to improve a lot to make that happen. I'm going to be optimistic that this staff can get that done. I think there are CUSA teams that are not so much better than Prairie View as to make 4 wins impossible. But it's going to take squeezing every bit of talent out of this group to get there.
The one thing that I see as glaring is we need a lot more speed on defense. The other is there were still to many silly penalties.
The good news is that, no matter how great a coaching job he and his staff do, I don't think there is any way we win enough this year for any of them to attract offers to hire them away. The better news is that I think they're good enough that we don't want any of them getting hired away.

??? Were we watching the same game? Given this was the first game of the season, with a very young and inexperienced roster, a couple delay penalties, one hold and one questionable unsportsmanlike penalty is not what I'd classify as "many silly penalties".

Maybe my standards are higher in that regard. 2 false starts and 2 delays is too many. OO and I have been debating this for years, we need to clean it up or I'm going to look like the foolish one. I do think these will be addressed, and I don't expect them to continue.

False starts I put on the player, not the coaching. Delays could be on the coaching. But in any case, we don't need any penalties at all in the red zone or on first and goal.

I put them both on coaches, and will for this staff just as I did for the last one. If it's on the player, it was the coach who put that player out there.

I can see both in a first game with everything new. In particular, I can see where a new staff needs to get communications straightened out to prevent delays. But I can't see doing either for 11 years.

(08-26-2018 04:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:10 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 02:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I predicted 4. This team will have to improve a lot to make that happen. I'm going to be optimistic that this staff can get that done. I think there are CUSA teams that are not so much better than Prairie View as to make 4 wins impossible. But it's going to take squeezing every bit of talent out of this group to get there.
The one thing that I see as glaring is we need a lot more speed on defense. The other is there were still to many silly penalties.
The good news is that, no matter how great a coaching job he and his staff do, I don't think there is any way we win enough this year for any of them to attract offers to hire them away. The better news is that I think they're good enough that we don't want any of them getting hired away.

??? Were we watching the same game? Given this was the first game of the season, with a very young and inexperienced roster, a couple delay penalties, one hold and one questionable unsportsmanlike penalty is not what I'd classify as "many silly penalties".

Maybe my standards are higher in that regard. 2 false starts and 2 delays is too many. OO and I have been debating this for years, we need to clean it up or I'm going to look like the foolish one. I do think these will be addressed, and I don't expect them to continue.

The difference I saw last night was that the Owls didn't allow some of those penalties to kill drives, i.e., 2nd TD after a delay penalty and 3rd TD after personal foul penalty.

(08-26-2018 06:08 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:10 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 02:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I predicted 4. This team will have to improve a lot to make that happen. I'm going to be optimistic that this staff can get that done. I think there are CUSA teams that are not so much better than Prairie View as to make 4 wins impossible. But it's going to take squeezing every bit of talent out of this group to get there.
The one thing that I see as glaring is we need a lot more speed on defense. The other is there were still to many silly penalties.
The good news is that, no matter how great a coaching job he and his staff do, I don't think there is any way we win enough this year for any of them to attract offers to hire them away. The better news is that I think they're good enough that we don't want any of them getting hired away.

??? Were we watching the same game? Given this was the first game of the season, with a very young and inexperienced roster, a couple delay penalties, one hold and one questionable unsportsmanlike penalty is not what I'd classify as "many silly penalties".

Maybe my standards are higher in that regard. 2 false starts and 2 delays is too many. OO and I have been debating this for years, we need to clean it up or I'm going to look like the foolish one. I do think these will be addressed, and I don't expect them to continue.

The difference I saw last night was that the Owls didn't allow some of those penalties to kill drives, i.e., 2nd TD after a delay penalty and 3rd TD after personal foul penalty.

That was significant.

(08-26-2018 06:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:10 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 02:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I predicted 4. This team will have to improve a lot to make that happen. I'm going to be optimistic that this staff can get that done. I think there are CUSA teams that are not so much better than Prairie View as to make 4 wins impossible. But it's going to take squeezing every bit of talent out of this group to get there.
The one thing that I see as glaring is we need a lot more speed on defense. The other is there were still to many silly penalties.
The good news is that, no matter how great a coaching job he and his staff do, I don't think there is any way we win enough this year for any of them to attract offers to hire them away. The better news is that I think they're good enough that we don't want any of them getting hired away.

??? Were we watching the same game? Given this was the first game of the season, with a very young and inexperienced roster, a couple delay penalties, one hold and one questionable unsportsmanlike penalty is not what I'd classify as "many silly penalties".

Maybe my standards are higher in that regard. 2 false starts and 2 delays is too many. OO and I have been debating this for years, we need to clean it up or I'm going to look like the foolish one. I do think these will be addressed, and I don't expect them to continue.

False starts I put on the player, not the coaching. Delays could be on the coaching. But in any case, we don't need any penalties at all in the red zone or on first and goal.

I put them both on coaches, and will for this staff just as I did for the last one. If it's on the player, it was the coach who put that player out there.

I can see both in a first game with everything new. In particular, I can see where a new staff needs to get communications straightened out to prevent delays. But I can't see doing either for 11 years.

Well, I think kids who have been playing line for about 10 years or so should not need a coach yelling at them to not false start, regardless of whether that coach has been there 40 years or came in yesterday.

We see eye to eye on the delay penalties.

(08-26-2018 06:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 03:10 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  ??? Were we watching the same game? Given this was the first game of the season, with a very young and inexperienced roster, a couple delay penalties, one hold and one questionable unsportsmanlike penalty is not what I'd classify as "many silly penalties".

Maybe my standards are higher in that regard. 2 false starts and 2 delays is too many. OO and I have been debating this for years, we need to clean it up or I'm going to look like the foolish one. I do think these will be addressed, and I don't expect them to continue.

False starts I put on the player, not the coaching. Delays could be on the coaching. But in any case, we don't need any penalties at all in the red zone or on first and goal.

I put them both on coaches, and will for this staff just as I did for the last one. If it's on the player, it was the coach who put that player out there.
I can see both in a first game with everything new. In particular, I can see where a new staff needs to get communications straightened out to prevent delays. But I can't see doing either for 11 years.

Well, I think kids who have been playing line for about 10 years or so should not need a coach yelling at them to not false start, regardless of whether that coach has been there 40 years or came in yesterday.
We see eye to eye on the delay penalties.

I don't see coaches yelling at them as the solution. The solution is reps in practice with adverse consequences for screwing up. I read one report that we had 30 players running after practice because of mistakes. That is the way to address the problem. I don't think anybody coaches players to false start. But not false starting has to be ingrained into them.

(08-26-2018 06:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Maybe my standards are higher in that regard. 2 false starts and 2 delays is too many. OO and I have been debating this for years, we need to clean it up or I'm going to look like the foolish one. I do think these will be addressed, and I don't expect them to continue.

False starts I put on the player, not the coaching. Delays could be on the coaching. But in any case, we don't need any penalties at all in the red zone or on first and goal.

I put them both on coaches, and will for this staff just as I did for the last one. If it's on the player, it was the coach who put that player out there.
I can see both in a first game with everything new. In particular, I can see where a new staff needs to get communications straightened out to prevent delays. But I can't see doing either for 11 years.

Well, I think kids who have been playing line for about 10 years or so should not need a coach yelling at them to not false start, regardless of whether that coach has been there 40 years or came in yesterday.
We see eye to eye on the delay penalties.

I don't see coaches yelling at them as the solution. The solution is reps in practice with adverse consequences for screwing up. I read one report that we had 30 players running after practice because of mistakes. That is the way to address the problem. I don't think anybody coaches players to false start. But not false starting has to be ingrained into them.

Most of these kids have been playing since pee wees. If they haven't learned the basic rules of the game by now, we should not have been recruiting them.

well, if the O-linemen all go through the same practices and are subject to the same running, and one screws up anyway while the others don't, I tend to put the onus on that individual, not the coach who gave them all reps in practice and ran all the ones who failed.

JMHO.

I look at it differently OO

Of course they don't try and screw up... and the REASON for those screw ups are sometimes varied.... lack of concentration... jitters... being asked to do more than they think they can... getting beaten... etc...

but the reality is that every one of these kids playing college ball, especially from smaller schools... were good enough to be well above average in high school and before without jitters or being asked to do more or being beaten. Now they're up against guys as good or even better than they are... and the pressure to get off the ball is higher. Lots of great HS QBs with poor mechanics... great HS linemen with poor footwork etc...

We just want to minimize the mental errors... and repetition and consequences are often successful tools... i.e. in practice, call the snap count as varied as you would in a game... not every practice play on 'one'. Not saying that happened here before... but I've seen it.

(08-26-2018 07:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  False starts I put on the player, not the coaching. Delays could be on the coaching. But in any case, we don't need any penalties at all in the red zone or on first and goal.

I put them both on coaches, and will for this staff just as I did for the last one. If it's on the player, it was the coach who put that player out there.
I can see both in a first game with everything new. In particular, I can see where a new staff needs to get communications straightened out to prevent delays. But I can't see doing either for 11 years.

Well, I think kids who have been playing line for about 10 years or so should not need a coach yelling at them to not false start, regardless of whether that coach has been there 40 years or came in yesterday.
We see eye to eye on the delay penalties.

I don't see coaches yelling at them as the solution. The solution is reps in practice with adverse consequences for screwing up. I read one report that we had 30 players running after practice because of mistakes. That is the way to address the problem. I don't think anybody coaches players to false start. But not false starting has to be ingrained into them.

Most of these kids have been playing since pee wees. If they haven't learned the basic rules of the game by now, we should not have been recruiting them.

well, if the O-linemen all go through the same practices and are subject to the same running, and one screws up anyway while the others don't, I tend to put the onus on that individual, not the coach who gave them all reps in practice and ran all the ones who failed.

JMHO.

NFL pros false start. I guess they shouldn't have been drafted?

Adrenalin gets the best of even the best. The key is to minimize the occurrences and overcome such penalties when they happen. I think the Owls did a good job of that last night.

(08-26-2018 07:28 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I put them both on coaches, and will for this staff just as I did for the last one. If it's on the player, it was the coach who put that player out there.
I can see both in a first game with everything new. In particular, I can see where a new staff needs to get communications straightened out to prevent delays. But I can't see doing either for 11 years.

Well, I think kids who have been playing line for about 10 years or so should not need a coach yelling at them to not false start, regardless of whether that coach has been there 40 years or came in yesterday.
We see eye to eye on the delay penalties.

I don't see coaches yelling at them as the solution. The solution is reps in practice with adverse consequences for screwing up. I read one report that we had 30 players running after practice because of mistakes. That is the way to address the problem. I don't think anybody coaches players to false start. But not false starting has to be ingrained into them.

Most of these kids have been playing since pee wees. If they haven't learned the basic rules of the game by now, we should not have been recruiting them.

well, if the O-linemen all go through the same practices and are subject to the same running, and one screws up anyway while the others don't, I tend to put the onus on that individual, not the coach who gave them all reps in practice and ran all the ones who failed.

JMHO.

NFL pros false start. I guess they shouldn't have been drafted?

Adrenalin gets the best of even the best. The key is to minimize the occurrences and overcome such penalties when they happen. I think the Owls did a good job of that last night.

My point, which I guess was not stated clearly enough, is that people who have been playing football for any length of time know they should not start before the ball is snapped. Therefore, if they go early anyway, it is not because of bad coaching, and they don't need a coach to remind them to wait until the ball is snapped.


Is there any person posting on this thread who, if pressed into service(a la Aggie 12th man), would not know to wait until the ball is snapped to start blocking? So why give a pass to the player and blame it on the coach?

If a player jumps the gun, it is his fault, not the coach's.

My statement was that IF they DIDN'T KNOW this is the rule, they should not have been offered scholarships. Of course, kids who false start because they DON'T KNOW THE RULES aren't going to do well at any level. But I was not saying that anyone who ever false started ever should not get a scholarship, or drafted into the pros. Read what I wrote. Just that they know better because it is a basic rule of the game, and if they have played for any length of time over about 30 minutes, they know this, and so if they false start, it's on them.

(08-26-2018 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:28 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, I think kids who have been playing line for about 10 years or so should not need a coach yelling at them to not false start, regardless of whether that coach has been there 40 years or came in yesterday.
We see eye to eye on the delay penalties.

I don't see coaches yelling at them as the solution. The solution is reps in practice with adverse consequences for screwing up. I read one report that we had 30 players running after practice because of mistakes. That is the way to address the problem. I don't think anybody coaches players to false start. But not false starting has to be ingrained into them.

Most of these kids have been playing since pee wees. If they haven't learned the basic rules of the game by now, we should not have been recruiting them.

well, if the O-linemen all go through the same practices and are subject to the same running, and one screws up anyway while the others don't, I tend to put the onus on that individual, not the coach who gave them all reps in practice and ran all the ones who failed.

JMHO.

NFL pros false start. I guess they shouldn't have been drafted?

Adrenalin gets the best of even the best. The key is to minimize the occurrences and overcome such penalties when they happen. I think the Owls did a good job of that last night.

My point, which I guess was not stated clearly enough, is that people who have been playing football for any length of time know they should not start before the ball is snapped. Therefore, if they go early anyway, it is not because of bad coaching, and they don't need a coach to remind them to wait until the ball is snapped.


Is there any person posting on this thread who, if pressed into service(a la Aggie 12th man), would not know to wait until the ball is snapped to start blocking? So why give a pass to the player and blame it on the coach?

If a player jumps the gun, it is his fault, not the coach's.

My statement was that IF they DIDN'T KNOW this is the rule, they should not have been offered scholarships. Of course, kids who false start because they DON'T KNOW THE RULES aren't going to do well at any level. But I was not saying that anyone who ever false started ever should not get a scholarship, or drafted into the pros. Read what I wrote. Just that they know better because it is a basic rule of the game, and if they have played for any length of time over about 30 minutes, they know this, and so if they false start, it's on them.

Knowing the rules is one thing. Managing the emotions of the moment is another. Coaching can improve the later.

(08-27-2018 12:06 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:28 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't see coaches yelling at them as the solution. The solution is reps in practice with adverse consequences for screwing up. I read one report that we had 30 players running after practice because of mistakes. That is the way to address the problem. I don't think anybody coaches players to false start. But not false starting has to be ingrained into them.

Most of these kids have been playing since pee wees. If they haven't learned the basic rules of the game by now, we should not have been recruiting them.

well, if the O-linemen all go through the same practices and are subject to the same running, and one screws up anyway while the others don't, I tend to put the onus on that individual, not the coach who gave them all reps in practice and ran all the ones who failed.

JMHO.

NFL pros false start. I guess they shouldn't have been drafted?

Adrenalin gets the best of even the best. The key is to minimize the occurrences and overcome such penalties when they happen. I think the Owls did a good job of that last night.

My point, which I guess was not stated clearly enough, is that people who have been playing football for any length of time know they should not start before the ball is snapped. Therefore, if they go early anyway, it is not because of bad coaching, and they don't need a coach to remind them to wait until the ball is snapped.


Is there any person posting on this thread who, if pressed into service(a la Aggie 12th man), would not know to wait until the ball is snapped to start blocking? So why give a pass to the player and blame it on the coach?

If a player jumps the gun, it is his fault, not the coach's.

My statement was that IF they DIDN'T KNOW this is the rule, they should not have been offered scholarships. Of course, kids who false start because they DON'T KNOW THE RULES aren't going to do well at any level. But I was not saying that anyone who ever false started ever should not get a scholarship, or drafted into the pros. Read what I wrote. Just that they know better because it is a basic rule of the game, and if they have played for any length of time over about 30 minutes, they know this, and so if they false start, it's on them.

Knowing the rules is one thing. Managing the emotions of the moment is another. Coaching can improve the later.

Not just the emotion, but knowing the QB cadence.

Yes, every OL knows not to jump before the ball is snapped. But if you dont quite know when it is about to be snapped, then you are more likely to make a mistake. And that's what practice is for.

Considering we routinely had drive killing false starts and delay of game penalties over several recruiting classes, I'm hard pressed to see how any argument can be made that it's the individual players fault.

(08-27-2018 12:06 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:28 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't see coaches yelling at them as the solution. The solution is reps in practice with adverse consequences for screwing up. I read one report that we had 30 players running after practice because of mistakes. That is the way to address the problem. I don't think anybody coaches players to false start. But not false starting has to be ingrained into them.

Most of these kids have been playing since pee wees. If they haven't learned the basic rules of the game by now, we should not have been recruiting them.

well, if the O-linemen all go through the same practices and are subject to the same running, and one screws up anyway while the others don't, I tend to put the onus on that individual, not the coach who gave them all reps in practice and ran all the ones who failed.

JMHO.

NFL pros false start. I guess they shouldn't have been drafted?

Adrenalin gets the best of even the best. The key is to minimize the occurrences and overcome such penalties when they happen. I think the Owls did a good job of that last night.

My point, which I guess was not stated clearly enough, is that people who have been playing football for any length of time know they should not start before the ball is snapped. Therefore, if they go early anyway, it is not because of bad coaching, and they don't need a coach to remind them to wait until the ball is snapped.


Is there any person posting on this thread who, if pressed into service(a la Aggie 12th man), would not know to wait until the ball is snapped to start blocking? So why give a pass to the player and blame it on the coach?

If a player jumps the gun, it is his fault, not the coach's.

My statement was that IF they DIDN'T KNOW this is the rule, they should not have been offered scholarships. Of course, kids who false start because they DON'T KNOW THE RULES aren't going to do well at any level. But I was not saying that anyone who ever false started ever should not get a scholarship, or drafted into the pros. Read what I wrote. Just that they know better because it is a basic rule of the game, and if they have played for any length of time over about 30 minutes, they know this, and so if they false start, it's on them.

Knowing the rules is one thing. Managing the emotions of the moment is another. Coaching can improve the later.

I give up. Every time a player false starts, it is the coach,$ fault. Players have no responsibility. We OK now?

Maybe the better way to put it is that while the individual false starts are on the player, the aggregate number of false starts reflect on the coach. So if Rice ends up with fewer than average false starts over the course of the season, it reflects well on Bloomgren (and staff). If Rice ends up with more than average false starts, then it reflects poorly on Bloomgren (and staff). But you can't really pin a single false start by a single player in a single game on the coaching staff.

I'm a little more concerned about the QB play than I was heading into the season. If Rice can consistently play like the team did in the 1st and 4th quarters, I can squint and be optimistic. If Rice either stays inconsistent or consistently plays like they did in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, then it will be a long season (literally since Rice's 1st game was in week zero!).

(08-27-2018 09:58 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Maybe the better way to put it is that while the individual false starts are on the player, the aggregate number of false starts reflect on the coach. So if Rice ends up with fewer than average false starts over the course of the season, it reflects well on Bloomgren (and staff). If Rice ends up with more than average false starts, then it reflects poorly on Bloomgren (and staff). But you can't really pin a single false start by a single player in a single game on the coaching staff.

I'm a little more concerned about the QB play than I was heading into the season. If Rice can consistently play like the team did in the 1st and 4th quarters, I can squint and be optimistic. If Rice either stays inconsistent or consistently plays like they did in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, then it will be a long season (literally since Rice's 1st game was in week zero!).

Unfortunately I think we're looking more at the latter than the former. For all his faults and alleged bias against freshmen, I think DB played the best players he had. So, the current QB competition is between a guy who couldn't get on the field, at all, at Vandy, and a guy who wasn't the first choice on last year's awful team, (and also a walk-on, I guess).
So this season we'll be even more run-oriented team than I thought, basically an option team. We'll go only as far as the running game can take us.

(08-27-2018 09:58 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Maybe the better way to put it is that while the individual false starts are on the player, the aggregate number of false starts reflect on the coach. So if Rice ends up with fewer than average false starts over the course of the season, it reflects well on Bloomgren (and staff). If Rice ends up with more than average false starts, then it reflects poorly on Bloomgren (and staff). But you can't really pin a single false start by a single player in a single game on the coaching staff.

I'm a little more concerned about the QB play than I was heading into the season. If Rice can consistently play like the team did in the 1st and 4th quarters, I can squint and be optimistic. If Rice either stays inconsistent or consistently plays like they did in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, then it will be a long season (literally since Rice's 1st game was in week zero!).

RE: False starts. You are right. But because Joe or Jack(generic names) jumped against PV does not indicate much about the coaching staff. If Joe keeps jumping and Jack gets better about it, what does that say about the coaching staff? Seems to me it says a lot more about Joe and Jack.

Both Joe and Jack know the rules. If they lack the discipline to stick to them, that's on them. I hope we are recruiting guys who can wait until the snap. All the coaching staff can do is nag, nag, nag, like a first wife. Make them run steps, or take away their ice cream, but it's not like they can tell the player anything he doesn't already know. Wait until the ball is snapped. Period. Every play. Duh.

RE: the rest of it, I think we will have inconsistency all year this year. Bloom has said he will go with the hot hand, so if Stank is having a bad day, 14 will come in. As for the defense, I just hope Bloom year one will garner more turnovers than Bailiff late years. Many more. We need to have turnovers to hold some of these teams and to beat others. But if we can average two good quarters per game, we will win some, as we will also have some games with four bad quarters.

(08-27-2018 10:45 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:58 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Maybe the better way to put it is that while the individual false starts are on the player, the aggregate number of false starts reflect on the coach. So if Rice ends up with fewer than average false starts over the course of the season, it reflects well on Bloomgren (and staff). If Rice ends up with more than average false starts, then it reflects poorly on Bloomgren (and staff). But you can't really pin a single false start by a single player in a single game on the coaching staff.

I think that's a very fair and accurate way to report it. Individual false starts and motion penalties and offsides and, to some extent, delays are on the player. But the aggregate is on the coaches. I don't think there's a coach in America who coaches his players to commit silly penalties. But as Bill Belichick said, if it happens that means, "You coach it or you tolerate it." I don't think the previous staff taught it, but I think they tolerated it. It will be interesting to see if those mistakes decline this week.

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Quote:I'm a little more concerned about the QB play than I was heading into the season. If Rice can consistently play like the team did in the 1st and 4th quarters, I can squint and be optimistic. If Rice either stays inconsistent or consistently plays like they did in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, then it will be a long season (literally since Rice's 1st game was in week zero!).

Unfortunately I think we're looking more at the latter than the former. For all his faults and alleged bias against freshmen, I think DB played the best players he had. So, the current QB competition is between a guy who couldn't get on the field, at all, at Vandy, and a guy who wasn't the first choice on last year's awful team, (and also a walk-on, I guess).
So this season we'll be even more run-oriented team than I thought, basically an option team. We'll go only as far as the running game can take us.

Except we are more of a power running team than an option team. But, off what we showed against PVAMU, I don't think we'll live by the pass and I just hope we won't die by it.

(08-27-2018 11:38 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:58 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Maybe the better way to put it is that while the individual false starts are on the player, the aggregate number of false starts reflect on the coach. So if Rice ends up with fewer than average false starts over the course of the season, it reflects well on Bloomgren (and staff). If Rice ends up with more than average false starts, then it reflects poorly on Bloomgren (and staff). But you can't really pin a single false start by a single player in a single game on the coaching staff.

I'm a little more concerned about the QB play than I was heading into the season. If Rice can consistently play like the team did in the 1st and 4th quarters, I can squint and be optimistic. If Rice either stays inconsistent or consistently plays like they did in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, then it will be a long season (literally since Rice's 1st game was in week zero!).

RE: False starts. You are right. But because Joe or Jack(generic names) jumped against PV does not indicate much about the coaching staff. If Joe keeps jumping and Jack gets better about it, what does that say about the coaching staff? Seems to me it says a lot more about Joe and Jack.

Both Joe and Jack know the rules. If they lack the discipline to stick to them, that's on them. I hope we are recruiting guys who can wait until the snap. All the coaching staff can do is nag, nag, nag, like a first wife. Make them run steps, or take away their ice cream, but it's not like they can tell the player anything he doesn't already know. Wait until the ball is snapped. Period. Every play. Duh.

RE: the rest of it, I think we will have inconsistency all year this year. Bloom has said he will go with the hot hand,

Quote:so if Stank is having a bad day

, 14 will come in. As for the defense, I just hope Bloom year one will garner more turnovers than Bailiff late years. Many more. We need to have turnovers to hold some of these teams and to beat others. But if we can average two good quarters per game, we will win some, as we will also have some games with four bad quarters.

If Stank had a bad day the previous game, I can see the tagline on the game now:

"Stank stank"

(sorry, couldnt resist the softball tossed into the pun sweet-spot...)

(08-27-2018 12:07 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:38 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:58 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Maybe the better way to put it is that while the individual false starts are on the player, the aggregate number of false starts reflect on the coach. So if Rice ends up with fewer than average false starts over the course of the season, it reflects well on Bloomgren (and staff). If Rice ends up with more than average false starts, then it reflects poorly on Bloomgren (and staff). But you can't really pin a single false start by a single player in a single game on the coaching staff.

I'm a little more concerned about the QB play than I was heading into the season. If Rice can consistently play like the team did in the 1st and 4th quarters, I can squint and be optimistic. If Rice either stays inconsistent or consistently plays like they did in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, then it will be a long season (literally since Rice's 1st game was in week zero!).

RE: False starts. You are right. But because Joe or Jack(generic names) jumped against PV does not indicate much about the coaching staff. If Joe keeps jumping and Jack gets better about it, what does that say about the coaching staff? Seems to me it says a lot more about Joe and Jack.

Both Joe and Jack know the rules. If they lack the discipline to stick to them, that's on them. I hope we are recruiting guys who can wait until the snap. All the coaching staff can do is nag, nag, nag, like a first wife. Make them run steps, or take away their ice cream, but it's not like they can tell the player anything he doesn't already know. Wait until the ball is snapped. Period. Every play. Duh.

RE: the rest of it, I think we will have inconsistency all year this year. Bloom has said he will go with the hot hand,

Quote:so if Stank is having a bad day

, 14 will come in. As for the defense, I just hope Bloom year one will garner more turnovers than Bailiff late years. Many more. We need to have turnovers to hold some of these teams and to beat others. But if we can average two good quarters per game, we will win some, as we will also have some games with four bad quarters.

If Stank had a bad day the previous game, I can see the tagline on the game now:

"Stank stank"

(sorry, couldnt resist the softball tossed into the pun sweet-spot...)

I have been expecting that and similar puns since I first heard of the transfer. I doubt it will be that stankiest one.

(08-27-2018 09:58 AM)mrbig Wrote:  I'm a little more concerned about the QB play than I was heading into the season. If Rice can consistently play like the team did in the 1st and 4th quarters, I can squint and be optimistic. If Rice either stays inconsistent or consistently plays like they did in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, then it will be a long season (literally since Rice's 1st game was in week zero!).

From what I saw Saturday night, we have two QBs with very different issues. Stankavage does not have a strong arm, but was relatively accurate, at least in his 1st series - 3 for 3, each good for 8 yards. Tyner has a much stronger arm, but is not at all accurate when using that strength - see the overthrow to a wide open receiver in the end zone. Both QBs did a good job with ball security and managing the game within the constraints of the game plan. I do expect to see more play action against the UHs, regardless of who the QB is.