Quote:Journalists are up in arms that Trump is "dog whistling" with his tweet about white farmers in South Africa. Which is strange because not even a year ago many mainstream sources including the Associated press were covering this story. Even Newsweek wrote about it and they are a left wing publication. So what changed? Why can the Media report this and its fine but as soon as Trump says he wants to look into it they accuse him of dog whistling? Or maybe this is just another instance of fake news from the mainstream media.

Great video, first thing I watched this morning. I highly recommend everyone watch the whole thing, because he lays out examples and it is terrifying. The fact that the fake news media will oppose and then double down on literally anything that President Trump says should freak you out.

They covered it earlier in the year as a legitimate human rights concern. Now that President Trump mentioned it, it's a "white nationalist conspiracy theory", and they tacitly endorse what is a potential genocide, because truth to them is malleable, and there are no levels they won't stoop to in attempt to own the Drumpf.

Peak TDS.

Dog Whistler is going to dog whistle

(08-24-2018 01:28 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Dog Whistler is going to dog whistle

Tacitly endorsing a potential genocide to own the drumpf.

"We have not called for the killing of white people.. at least for now. I cannot guarantee the future."

Dog whistle, huh ? The would be dictator says Trump is right and that is exactly what they are going to do:

Quote:Radical South African politician Julius Malema confirmed President Donald Trump’s concerns Thursday, declaring defiantly that the point of the country’s proposed new “expropriation without compensation” policy would be to take land from white farmers.

“Through land expropriation, we are forcing white people to share the land which was gained through a crime against the humanity of black and African people,” Malema said in a press conference, referring to the racist land policies of colonialism and apartheid.

read more here....

Genocide is never ok. No matter who is doing it. Whites, blacks, etc... It is an affront to God and humanity.

It was wrong what happened to Native Americans, wrong what happened to Jews, wrong what happened to Aborigines, etc...

Apartheid was wrong and this is just as evil.

It might be 2018 but many still live in the past.

I might be right wing as hell but I also share in Gene Roddenberry's hope for a positive future for all mankind.

(08-25-2018 12:23 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Dog whistle, huh ? The would be dictator says Trump is right and that is exactly what they are going to do:

Quote:Radical South African politician Julius Malema confirmed President Donald Trump’s concerns Thursday, declaring defiantly that the point of the country’s proposed new “expropriation without compensation” policy would be to take land from white farmers.

“Through land expropriation, we are forcing white people to share the land which was gained through a crime against the humanity of black and African people,” Malema said in a press conference, referring to the racist land policies of colonialism and apartheid.

read more here....

Genocide is never ok. No matter who is doing it. Whites, blacks, etc... It is an affront to God and humanity.

It was wrong what happened to Native Americans, wrong what happened to Jews, wrong what happened to Aborigines, etc...

Apartheid was wrong and this is just as evil.

It might be 2018 but many still live in the past.

I might be right wing as hell but I also share in Gene Roddenberry's hope for a positive future for all mankind.

It is a human tribal trait. The Anglo-Saxons pushed the British out of England. The Germans were pushed out of Eastern Europe by Huns and Mongols as they had probably displaced Celts 5,000 years before. And Cro Magnons pushed the Neanderthal out of Europe before that.

And today I should be punished for the sins of my greatgrandfathers?!?

FFS, we’ve lost our minds.

Should I beat up the next black kid I am coaching cause I got mugged at RFK in DC 25 years ago?

This won’t end well.

At all

Tim Pool? Doesn't he work with Alex Jones?

I find it instructive that white nationalists/supremacists are quite concerned about the POTENTIAL of expropriation of historically African farms currently held by white persons in South Africa

They are actively trying to keep brown persons actively fleeing ACTUAL threats to their lives in many countries around the world from reaching safety.

This is pure white nationalism and supremacy. They actively oppose human rights, due process, the rule of law, and minority rights for non-white person.....and in their quest to try and use false equivalency, have to MANUFACTURE cases where whites face discrimination to sell to racists in the USA.

(08-25-2018 10:31 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Tim Pool? Doesn't he work with Alex Jones?

I find it instructive that white nationalists/supremacists are quite concerned about the POTENTIAL of expropriation of historically African farms currently held by white persons in South Africa

They are actively trying to keep brown persons actively fleeing ACTUAL threats to their lives in many countries around the world from reaching safety.

This is pure white nationalism and supremacy. They actively oppose human rights, due process, the rule of law, and minority rights for non-white person.....and in their quest to try and use false equivalency, have to MANUFACTURE cases where whites face discrimination to sell to racists in the USA.

Pool is a Liberal and voted for Bernie Sanders. Unlike most of the Journalists on the left, he reports the new and doesn't make it up or twist it. The only kind thing he has ever said about Jones, is he shouldn't have been thrown off Facebook and YouTube.

(08-25-2018 10:31 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Tim Pool? Doesn't he work with Alex Jones?
I find it instructive that white nationalists/supremacists are quite concerned about the POTENTIAL of expropriation of historically African farms currently held by white persons in South Africa
They are actively trying to keep brown persons actively fleeing ACTUAL threats to their lives in many countries around the world from reaching safety.
This is pure white nationalism and supremacy. They actively oppose human rights, due process, the rule of law, and minority rights for non-white person.....and in their quest to try and use false equivalency, have to MANUFACTURE cases where whites face discrimination to sell to racists in the USA.

I don't think that "historically African farms" is accurate in most cases. I believe most of them were settled and farmed by Afrikaaners as a result of the Great Trek, and were not farms by any reasonable interpretation of the term prior to then. So there are some equities to balance here. You have the indigenous population, with clearly has some claim, and you have the settlers who developed much of the land as farms through sweat equity--with time, toil, and fortune invested over several generations.

I'm not obscuring or avoiding the issue here. Just pointing out that it is not a clear cut case. There are equities to be balanced, and one of the things I most admire about Madiba is that he understood this, and as long as he remained alive, he was a force forwarding out some equitable solution.

I saw the same from Kenyatta a generation earlier in Kenya. And that sort of fell apart after he passed away, just as I fear this one is going to.

In cases where farms that were property of native African populations were expropriated during Apartheid, that's a different situation from the one I am talking about. So don't conflate the two.

(08-25-2018 12:11 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 10:31 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Tim Pool? Doesn't he work with Alex Jones?

I find it instructive that white nationalists/supremacists are quite concerned about the POTENTIAL of expropriation of historically African farms currently held by white persons in South Africa

They are actively trying to keep brown persons actively fleeing ACTUAL threats to their lives in many countries around the world from reaching safety.

This is pure white nationalism and supremacy. They actively oppose human rights, due process, the rule of law, and minority rights for non-white person.....and in their quest to try and use false equivalency, have to MANUFACTURE cases where whites face discrimination to sell to racists in the USA.

Pool is a Liberal and voted for Bernie Sanders. Unlike most of the Journalists on the left, he reports the new and doesn't make it up or twist it. The only kind thing he has ever said about Jones, is he shouldn't have been thrown off Facebook and YouTube.

Tim Pool is a full on white supremacist (yes, I know he's part non-white - but we've seen that before) that is basically has confirmation turretts about anything the white nationalists say.

He made up his story from Sweden. He works with only the crazy of the crazy and the racists of the racists.

He was once a far far far left rabble rouser spouting off conspiracy theories from the far far far left. He's now a far far far far right wing conspiracy theorist. The only constant with him....conspiracy theories, poorly sourced. There is a very small population of people on the extremist left that have gone over to the extremist right. He's one of them. And about half as credible as a Michael Jackson Day Care Center.

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So what's the standard, because if what white South Africans face (or don't face) deserve asylum or US action to 'save' them, then about 500 million people worldwide face far worse abuses, from Central America, to Yemen, to Syria, to Uiguyers, to LGBT people, to the the Rohingha, to people facing Museveni's thugs in the Congo, to Venezuelans, to opponents of Ortega in Nicaragua, to every single female in Saudi Arabia deserve the same attention and support (and do so first as they are in graver danger).

But the very same people making this story up out of thin air want to do everything possible to block safety for those people......while they are terribly concerned with the potential loss of some tenuous property rights of some white people.

This is so racist. Black and Brown and Gay lives don't matter to the people flacking this story...Just white people and white people ONLY. But this story is even worse, because they are flacking it in order to somehow justify discrimination against persons of color AND to openly advocate white supremacy.

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Seriously, what's the standard that deserves your dear leaders and conservative support? It cant be bodily harm. It can't be expropriation. It can't be discrimination and persecution. As far as I can tell, you have to be WHITE, straight, and Christian for that.

(08-25-2018 10:31 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Tim Pool? Doesn't he work with Alex Jones?

No. No, he doesn't.

But it's telling that you equate the two. So far gone that Tim Pool (a bernie bro) is now considered "far right".

(08-25-2018 01:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seriously, what's the standard that deserves your dear leaders and conservative support? It cant be bodily harm. It can't be expropriation. It can't be discrimination and persecution. As far as I can tell, you have to be WHITE, straight, and Christian for that.

So what is your standard? It appears to be NOBODY white, straight, or Christian. Is that accurate?

My standard for asylum would be cases of active government persecution which threatens the lives and property of the victims. We shouldnt take in the worlds poor because they live in violent shitholes, but where governments are engaging in or about to engage in genocide, then yes, we should offer asylum. So central americans are out of luck, but south african farmers are welcome. Historically, this would be consistent with accepting refugees from Cuba, the soviet union, vietnam, darfur etc. I also dont think we should take refugees fleeing civil war or war generally. Severe government persecution is a crime against humanity and we should step in to prevent any type of holocaust.

(08-25-2018 01:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 12:11 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 10:31 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Tim Pool? Doesn't he work with Alex Jones?

I find it instructive that white nationalists/supremacists are quite concerned about the POTENTIAL of expropriation of historically African farms currently held by white persons in South Africa

They are actively trying to keep brown persons actively fleeing ACTUAL threats to their lives in many countries around the world from reaching safety.

This is pure white nationalism and supremacy. They actively oppose human rights, due process, the rule of law, and minority rights for non-white person.....and in their quest to try and use false equivalency, have to MANUFACTURE cases where whites face discrimination to sell to racists in the USA.

Pool is a Liberal and voted for Bernie Sanders. Unlike most of the Journalists on the left, he reports the new and doesn't make it up or twist it. The only kind thing he has ever said about Jones, is he shouldn't have been thrown off Facebook and YouTube.

Tim Pool is a full on white supremacist (yes, I know he's part non-white - but we've seen that before) that is basically has confirmation turretts about anything the white nationalists say.

He made up his story from Sweden. He works with only the crazy of the crazy and the racists of the racists.

He was once a far far far left rabble rouser spouting off conspiracy theories from the far far far left. He's now a far far far far right wing conspiracy theorist. The only constant with him....conspiracy theories, poorly sourced. There is a very small population of people on the extremist left that have gone over to the extremist right. He's one of them. And about half as credible as a Michael Jackson Day Care Center.

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So what's the standard, because if what white South Africans face (or don't face) deserve asylum or US action to 'save' them, then about 500 million people worldwide face far worse abuses, from Central America, to Yemen, to Syria, to Uiguyers, to LGBT people, to the the Rohingha, to people facing Museveni's thugs in the Congo, to Venezuelans, to opponents of Ortega in Nicaragua, to every single female in Saudi Arabia deserve the same attention and support (and do so first as they are in graver danger).

But the very same people making this story up out of thin air want to do everything possible to block safety for those people......while they are terribly concerned with the potential loss of some tenuous property rights of some white people.

This is so racist. Black and Brown and Gay lives don't matter to the people flacking this story...Just white people and white people ONLY. But this story is even worse, because they are flacking it in order to somehow justify discrimination against persons of color AND to openly advocate white supremacy.

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Seriously, what's the standard that deserves your dear leaders and conservative support? It cant be bodily harm. It can't be expropriation. It can't be discrimination and persecution. As far as I can tell, you have to be WHITE, straight, and Christian for that.

(08-25-2018 01:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Tim Pool is a full on white supremacist

Your brain on alt-leftism, ladies and gentlemen. Where elizabeth warren is an Indian, rachel dolezal is an African-American, and Tim Pool & Candace Owens are white supremacists.

ON a relatable note:

Quote:Racist Zimbabwe pleads for the white farmers it brutalised to come back and rescue its economy.

Shockingly but unsurprisingly, this ABC report attempts to downplay the ugly truth behind Zimbabwe’s precipitous decline. The racially motivated and brutal attack on productive white farmers which began in 2000 saw the country’s economic decline by a disastrous 50 percent. Here are just some of the minor details this ABC report neglected to mention.

WHITE FARMERS MURDERS SINCE 2000 1. David Stephens 15 April 2000 2. Martin Olds 18 April 2000 3. Allan Stewart Dunn 7 May 2000 4. Henry Swan Elsworth 12 December 2000 5. John Weeks 14 May 2000 6. Tony Oates 31 May 2000 7. Willem Botha 23 July 2000 8. Gloria Olds 4 March 2001 9. Robert Fenwick Cobbet 6 August 2001 10. Terrence Ford 18 March 2002 (remember the little dog curled up against his body) 11. Thomas Samson Bayley 1 May 2002 12. Charles Anderson 2 June 2002 13. Pieter Silverton January 2004 14. Ole Sunde 6 February 2005 15. Donald Stewart 26 November 2005 16. Phillip Tenant 1 April 2006 17. Mary Austen 17 November 2008 18. Bob Vaughan Evans 7 July 2009 19. Ray van Rensburg 16 July 2009 20. Sophia Hart 29 August 2009 21. Kobus Joubert 26 October 2010 22. Lourens Abrams Korsten 28 February 2011 (Assaulted 31 December 2010) 23. Mike Campbell 6 April 2011 24. Colin Zietsman 2 September 2011 25. Keith Nicholson 14 September 2011 26. Bobby Ervine 8 April 2012 (Assaulted on 2 October 2011) 27. Catherine Francis 14 May 2014 (Assaulted on 10 May 2014) 28. Malcolm Francis 20 May 2014 (Assaulted on 10 May 2014)

Tom, nobody here has made light of the murder of gays.

IMO, I think you may want to re-examine some things in your life.

Murder and genocide is never acceptable. Doesn't matter who.

But lets be clear. Trump aint doing squat to help the Rohingya, Syrians, LGBT persons in Russia, the Congolese, or the Nicaraguans. In each of these cases, there are clear, government sanctioned cases of violence and extreme persecution that make even what the alt right accuses of being faced by South Africans to be far less.