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Trump powerless over DOJ?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini...er-the-doj

I've never quite understood this.

"...Trump has the power. As head of the executive branch, he can tell the Justice Department to jump and, in most cases, they are supposed to ask how high. The current leader of the free world prefers to pretend he doesn’t have the authority, however. Ever the victim, Trump would rather tweet than give orders that might require some painful political follow-through.

If this president was serious about transparency, and constitutional separation of powers for that matter, he would tell Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to declassify and release documents related to Russian meddling in 2016...."
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RE: Trump powerless over DOJ?
He can declassify anything. Why he doesn't is a mystery to me.
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(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Wy he doesn't is a mystery to me.

Alt-left would claim obstruction.
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(08-24-2018 10:51 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Wy he doesn't is a mystery to me.
Alt-left would claim obstruction.

You obstruct by DE-classifying?
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RE: Trump powerless over DOJ?
It is all misdirection. I think the feud with Sessions is a fake misdirection feud as well. As long as his approval ratings stay around 50%, why wouldn't he let it play out until the media can no longer run on fake news? The damage to the media and the left will be far greater if it plays out long. If the crooks are taken away in cuffs before the midterms, it will look political.
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(08-24-2018 10:51 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Wy he doesn't is a mystery to me.

Alt-left would claim obstruction.

Maybe.

Letting the "conspirators" know what the DOJ knows.
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RE: Trump powerless over DOJ?
I believe he is being aggressively counseled to let things run their course without direct interference until after the mid terms. If the Republicans hold the House, or keep it close, I have the feeling he's going to Genghis Khan a bunch of people in the DOJ and FBI.
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(08-24-2018 10:57 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:51 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Wy he doesn't is a mystery to me.
Alt-left would claim obstruction.

You obstruct by DE-classifying?

Bro, mueller announced he's looking into his freakin' tweets. They're trying to spin his public opinions into obstruction, so what do you think they would do with any hard action?

It's a catch 22 where he knows they'll eventually reach a dead end, so he feels no pressure to do anything, but they get to rant and rave in the meantime, which hinders his presidency, and acting to end it would cause him more trouble than anything else.
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(08-24-2018 10:51 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Wy he doesn't is a mystery to me.

Alt-left would claim obstruction.

I heard an interesting approach today: since Sessions has recused himself from the !Russia! investigation, Sessions should be able to take charge of Rosenstein and Mueller on anything not having to do with !Russia!, like Manafort and Cohen.
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(08-24-2018 11:11 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:51 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Wy he doesn't is a mystery to me.

Alt-left would claim obstruction.

I heard an interesting approach today: since Sessions has recused himself from the !Russia! investigation, Sessions should be able to take charge of Rosenstein and Mueller on anything not having to do with !Russia!, like Manafort and Cohen.

AHA! Maybe Trump and Sessions are playing the role of face and heel and having a good laugh about it behind everyone's back ?
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RE: Trump powerless over DOJ?
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Why he doesn't is a mystery to me.

Honestly---I think he just waiting for late October to drop bombshell documents.
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(08-24-2018 10:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini...er-the-doj

I've never quite understood this.

"...Trump has the power. As head of the executive branch, he can tell the Justice Department to jump and, in most cases, they are supposed to ask how high. The current leader of the free world prefers to pretend he doesn’t have the authority, however. Ever the victim, Trump would rather tweet than give orders that might require some painful political follow-through.

If this president was serious about transparency, and constitutional separation of powers for that matter, he would tell Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to declassify and release documents related to Russian meddling in 2016...."

He's waiting for the what he considers the right moment to declassify documents that the DOJ and FBI refuse to release. I trust him on this one.

As for cleaning house at the DOJ, that comes right after the midterms, regardless of the results of that election.
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(08-24-2018 10:59 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  It is all misdirection. I think the feud with Sessions is a fake misdirection feud as well. As long as his approval ratings stay around 50%, why wouldn't he let it play out until the media can no longer run on fake news? The damage to the media and the left will be far greater if it plays out long. If the crooks are taken away in cuffs before the midterms, it will look political.

I agree with this. Today's big scandal in DC blows over in less than week, or even less if another big scandal comes along.

Trump may be so confident about the results of the mid term, that he's decided to play the long game. Some of the bombshells hidden by the FBI may be very useful against a dim presidential opponent.
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(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Why he doesn't is a mystery to me.



If he declassified everything it would show tradecraft. It would also show his guilt. You guys truly are blind. You guys think this guy is innocent and you look at it through those eyes. When you look through the lens that he is guilty it makes perfect sense why he wouldn’t declassify. Bring it on I say. I know he’s guilty. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. Don’t be surprised when it’s a duck boys.
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(08-24-2018 12:02 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Why he doesn't is a mystery to me.



If he declassified everything it would show tradecraft. It would also show his guilt. You guys truly are blind. You guys think this guy is innocent and you look at it through those eyes. When you look through the lens that he is guilty it makes perfect sense why he wouldn’t declassify. Bring it on I say. I know he’s guilty. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. Don’t be surprised when it’s a duck boys.

Mach, can you bring yourself to admit, to be honest with everyone, including yourself, that virtually every single detail that has come out about the FBI's handling of the Cankle server scandal and the Trump Russian Collusion investigation has been a black eye for them?

If your answer is no, then name the positives that have come out.
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(08-24-2018 12:02 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Why he doesn't is a mystery to me.



If he declassified everything it would show tradecraft. It would also show his guilt. I am truly blind. I think this guy is guilty and I look at it through those eyes. When I look through the lens that he is guilty it makes perfect sense why he wouldn’t declassify. Bring it on I say. I think he’s guilty. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. Don’t be surprised when it’s a duck boys.

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(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Why he doesn't is a mystery to me.

October surprise. Trump lets this storm brew and watches the dems make fools of themselves then drops the hammer late sept/early october. Dems are exposed as being blatently anti-trump with no message heading into the election. Mueller now under pressure to wrap up investigation of trump campaign and solely focus on tanget crimes from Manafort/Gates/Cohen/etc. Mueller clears Trump and campaign, trump says I told you so. Once cleared, Sessions goes full scorched earth on Fusion GPS/Ohr/HRC/and DNC. Republicans get the message to stop pussyfooting around and trade, the wall/immigration/true tax reform gets settled. Trump announces he has done what he set out to do as president, ushers Pence to the front of the ticket for 2020 with Ivanka as a moderate VP candidate to continue focus on economy and US interests abroad. Dems have no message for 2020 election. Checkmate.

On the other hand, he won't declassify because there is enough there to sway independents towards dems in the midterm.
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(08-24-2018 12:05 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 12:02 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Why he doesn't is a mystery to me.



If he declassified everything it would show tradecraft. It would also show his guilt. You guys truly are blind. You guys think this guy is innocent and you look at it through those eyes. When you look through the lens that he is guilty it makes perfect sense why he wouldn’t declassify. Bring it on I say. I know he’s guilty. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. Don’t be surprised when it’s a duck boys.

Mach, can you bring yourself to admit, to be honest with everyone, including yourself, that virtually every single detail that has come out about the FBI's handling of the Cankle server scandal and the Trump Russian Collusion investigation has been a black eye for them?

If your answer is no, then name the positives that have come out.

And everything the FBI has redacted that was later released has demonstrated that they redacted it to hide their own embarrassment.
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Trump has given Muller and DOJ full access to virtually all relevant documents about as transparent as a POTUS can be. What disgusts me is Muller in search of a crime and aided by DOJ have seized on potential campaign finance violations. From everything legal experts have said it doesn't rise to level of crime let DOJ is being allowed to charge it as such. In the end even IF there was a campaign finance violation it should never rise to level of impeachment. I hope even partisan democrats understand the damage impeachment could do to the republic. I know bat $hit crazy democrats like Maxine Waters and Shelia Jackson-Lee don't but hopefully common sense democrats do.
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(08-24-2018 10:51 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He can declassify anything. Wy he doesn't is a mystery to me.

Alt-left would claim obstruction.

Egad! Haven't we learned anything about the alt left yet? They will biatch about anything Trump will do. Let me tell you how I lean. If someone is giving me a hard time without reason to I usually will do the complete opposite of what they complain about. What's there to lose? Will they biatch? Sure, but aren't they already? Indubitably!

Do it Trump!
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