https://www.newcriterion.com/blogs/dispa...crime-9746

"...After all, the evidence for its malignant effects is obvious to anyone with sufficient curiosity to look at the historical record. The socialist movement has been responsible for the murder, imprisonment, and torture of many millions, and perhaps hundreds of millions, of innocent people during its heyday in the twentieth century. That history of murder and tyranny continues on a smaller scale today in the handful of countries living under the misfortune of socialism—for example, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and (more recently) Venezuela.

How do socialists escape the indictment that, in view of the historical record, they are purveyors of tyranny and mass murder?...


To return to the question posed at the beginning: is socialism a hate crime? The record speaks for itself: socialism is a hate crime, a doctrine of tyranny, mass murder, and human suffering on a vast scale. What should be done about it is a different matter. The important thing is to identify the crime."

(08-22-2018 05:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.newcriterion.com/blogs/dispa...crime-9746

"...After all, the evidence for its malignant effects is obvious to anyone with sufficient curiosity to look at the historical record. The socialist movement has been responsible for the murder, imprisonment, and torture of many millions, and perhaps hundreds of millions, of innocent people during its heyday in the twentieth century. That history of murder and tyranny continues on a smaller scale today in the handful of countries living under the misfortune of socialism—for example, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and (more recently) Venezuela.

How do socialists escape the indictment that, in view of the historical record, they are purveyors of tyranny and mass murder?...


To return to the question posed at the beginning: is socialism a hate crime? The record speaks for itself: socialism is a hate crime, a doctrine of tyranny, mass murder, and human suffering on a vast scale. What should be done about it is a different matter. The important thing is to identify the crime."

why only point out the socialist countries with dictators and not the ones with democratic governments?

Because it doesn’t fit any criteria of a “hate crime”.

(08-22-2018 05:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.newcriterion.com/blogs/dispa...crime-9746

"...After all, the evidence for its malignant effects is obvious to anyone with sufficient curiosity to look at the historical record. The socialist movement has been responsible for the murder, imprisonment, and torture of many millions, and perhaps hundreds of millions, of innocent people during its heyday in the twentieth century. That history of murder and tyranny continues on a smaller scale today in the handful of countries living under the misfortune of socialism—for example, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and (more recently) Venezuela.

How do socialists escape the indictment that, in view of the historical record, they are purveyors of tyranny and mass murder?...


To return to the question posed at the beginning: is socialism a hate crime? The record speaks for itself: socialism is a hate crime, a doctrine of tyranny, mass murder, and human suffering on a vast scale. What should be done about it is a different matter. The important thing is to identify the crime."

why only point out the socialist countries with dictators and not the ones with democratic governments?

The examples of "successful" socialists countries is always a slide scale with alt-leftists. It's always only a matter of time.

We don't hear much about Sweden anymore. Suddenly it's Norway that is all the rage.

(08-22-2018 05:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.newcriterion.com/blogs/dispa...crime-9746

"...After all, the evidence for its malignant effects is obvious to anyone with sufficient curiosity to look at the historical record. The socialist movement has been responsible for the murder, imprisonment, and torture of many millions, and perhaps hundreds of millions, of innocent people during its heyday in the twentieth century. That history of murder and tyranny continues on a smaller scale today in the handful of countries living under the misfortune of socialism—for example, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and (more recently) Venezuela.

How do socialists escape the indictment that, in view of the historical record, they are purveyors of tyranny and mass murder?...


To return to the question posed at the beginning: is socialism a hate crime? The record speaks for itself: socialism is a hate crime, a doctrine of tyranny, mass murder, and human suffering on a vast scale. What should be done about it is a different matter. The important thing is to identify the crime."

why only point out the socialist countries with dictators and not the ones with democratic governments?

Which ones?

(08-22-2018 05:14 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Because it doesn’t fit any criteria of a “hate crime”.

you're right....neglecting economic responsibility to the point where a roll of toilet paper costs 23 bucks causing a mass exodus so people can afford to wipe their arse is downright saintly....

/sarc

(08-22-2018 05:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:14 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Because it doesn’t fit any criteria of a “hate crime”.

you're right....neglecting economic responsibility to the point where a roll of toilet paper costs 23 bucks causing a mass exodus so people can afford to wipe their arse is downright saintly....

/sarc

I’m not arguing that, I’m saying socialism it doesn’t fit the criteria of a hate crime. Stink, reply to what I actually post, not what you wish I would post.

(08-22-2018 05:20 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.newcriterion.com/blogs/dispa...crime-9746

"...After all, the evidence for its malignant effects is obvious to anyone with sufficient curiosity to look at the historical record. The socialist movement has been responsible for the murder, imprisonment, and torture of many millions, and perhaps hundreds of millions, of innocent people during its heyday in the twentieth century. That history of murder and tyranny continues on a smaller scale today in the handful of countries living under the misfortune of socialism—for example, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and (more recently) Venezuela.

How do socialists escape the indictment that, in view of the historical record, they are purveyors of tyranny and mass murder?...


To return to the question posed at the beginning: is socialism a hate crime? The record speaks for itself: socialism is a hate crime, a doctrine of tyranny, mass murder, and human suffering on a vast scale. What should be done about it is a different matter. The important thing is to identify the crime."

why only point out the socialist countries with dictators and not the ones with democratic governments?

The examples of "successful" socialists countries is always a slide scale with alt-leftists. It's always only a matter of time.

We don't hear much about Sweden anymore. Suddenly it's Norway that is all the rage.

In what way is Sweden bad?

(08-22-2018 05:25 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:14 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Because it doesn’t fit any criteria of a “hate crime”.

you're right....neglecting economic responsibility to the point where a roll of toilet paper costs 23 bucks causing a mass exodus so people can afford to wipe their arse is downright saintly....

/sarc

I’m not arguing that, I’m saying socialism it doesn’t fit the criteria of a hate crime. Stink, reply to what I actually post, not what you wish I would post.

so your definition of a hate crime is exclusively physical assault on a minority.....

that's what most pea headed people would think....

I did respond in kind.....your inability to understand is not my problem.....

"Hate crime" probably isn't the right term, but anastasia cortez and bernie should be held in the same regard as richard spencer. Socialism/communism, just like fascism/nazism, is responsible for tens of millions of deaths in the 20th century.

Reality of it is that it ends up Venezuela


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(08-22-2018 05:29 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:25 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:14 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Because it doesn’t fit any criteria of a “hate crime”.

you're right....neglecting economic responsibility to the point where a roll of toilet paper costs 23 bucks causing a mass exodus so people can afford to wipe their arse is downright saintly....

/sarc

I’m not arguing that, I’m saying socialism it doesn’t fit the criteria of a hate crime. Stink, reply to what I actually post, not what you wish I would post.

so your definition of a hate crime is exclusively physical assault on a minority.....

that's what most pea headed people would think....

I did respond in kind.....your inability to understand is not my problem.....

Mind quoting where I said that?

(08-22-2018 05:32 PM)Kronke Wrote:  "Hate crime" probably isn't the right term, but anastasia cortez and bernie should be held in the same regard as richard spencer. Socialism/communism, just like fascism/nazism, is responsible for tens of millions of deaths in the 20th century.

Those deaths aren’t inherent to the goals of socialism. You can argue that functionally those regimes are as bad, and that is compelling argument, but socialism doesn’t inherently revolve around genocidal pogroms and victimization of its citizens. Though, admittedly, it seems to end up there in far too many cases in nations without strong, free election based systems.

(08-22-2018 05:43 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:29 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:25 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:14 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Because it doesn’t fit any criteria of a “hate crime”.

you're right....neglecting economic responsibility to the point where a roll of toilet paper costs 23 bucks causing a mass exodus so people can afford to wipe their arse is downright saintly....

/sarc

I’m not arguing that, I’m saying socialism it doesn’t fit the criteria of a hate crime. Stink, reply to what I actually post, not what you wish I would post.

so your definition of a hate crime is exclusively physical assault on a minority.....

that's what most pea headed people would think....

I did respond in kind.....your inability to understand is not my problem.....

Mind quoting where I said that?

you did by deflecting relative to the posit from the op.....

what other position is there to assume.....

you never define you position...

that by itself makes ewe a bulls-eye from point blank range.....

I'll tell ya what......what is a hate crime?

I easily defined it in this context.....

your turn brite lite....

(08-22-2018 05:32 PM)Kronke Wrote:  "Hate crime" probably isn't the right term, but anastasia cortez and bernie should be held in the same regard as richard spencer. Socialism/communism, just like fascism/nazism, is responsible for tens of millions of deaths in the 20th century.

(08-22-2018 05:37 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Reality of it is that it ends up Venezuela


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Yep, and alt-leftists use the fact that it hasn't happened (yet) in whatever country they're using as an example at the time, as evidence to how amazing it is.

Then when that country inevitably collapses, it's the no true scotsman fallacy that it wasn't "real" socialism, it wasn't done "properly", etc.

(08-22-2018 05:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:32 PM)Kronke Wrote:  "Hate crime" probably isn't the right term, but anastasia cortez and bernie should be held in the same regard as richard spencer. Socialism/communism, just like fascism/nazism, is responsible for tens of millions of deaths in the 20th century.

XACLY!

that's about as much "hate" as one needs to define.....

the OP's posit is valid....

(08-22-2018 05:25 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:14 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Because it doesn’t fit any criteria of a “hate crime”.

you're right....neglecting economic responsibility to the point where a roll of toilet paper costs 23 bucks causing a mass exodus so people can afford to wipe their arse is downright saintly....

/sarc

I’m not arguing that, I’m saying socialism it doesn’t fit the criteria of a hate crime. Stink, reply to what I actually post, not what you wish I would post.

How would you know? Have you lived in a successful socialist country? So, murdering millions because of your rank ideology isn't by any criteria a hate crime?

(08-22-2018 06:22 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:25 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 05:14 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Because it doesn’t fit any criteria of a “hate crime”.

you're right....neglecting economic responsibility to the point where a roll of toilet paper costs 23 bucks causing a mass exodus so people can afford to wipe their arse is downright saintly....

/sarc

I’m not arguing that, I’m saying socialism it doesn’t fit the criteria of a hate crime. Stink, reply to what I actually post, not what you wish I would post.

How would you know? Have you lived in a successful socialist country? So, murdering millions because of your rank ideology isn't by any criteria a hate crime?

No, it isn’t, not inherently. Of course socialist governments took part in hate crimes, but unlike white nationalism, the hate crime aspect of the ideology isn’t inherent to it.

Nah, not a hate crime given today's definition of the term. IMO, socialism is more of a mental disease.