(08-22-2018 12:48 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Those of you blaming this on illegal immigration are completely missing the forest for the trees.
A friend who lives close to where Mollie Tibbetts lived posted this today - it is the most appropriate response I've seen to this tragedy.


This afternoon, when walking to my car, a man appeared behind me in the parking garage. He walked two or three steps behind me - well in my space. I cursed myself for not holding my keys, the way we women have been trained to do, between my knuckles to strike if necessary. For a few moments, I was terrified.

This man didn’t harm me, and was guilty of no more than being oblivious to personal space. Still, women have to think every day about protecting themselves from men.

I don’t remember where I read or heard this story (and forgive me if I mess up the details) A professor asked the young men to tell the class what they do to protect themselves from rape. The men laughed nervously. The question seemed ludicrous. The professor asked the young women the same question and they easily rattled off dozens of answers: park near streetlights, check under car before getting in, hold keys between knuckles... This is just part of being a woman.

When I got home and opened the news, my heart broke to see that Mollie Tibbetts’s body had been found. This story is local to me. A young Iowa woman went for a jog and wound up dead. Women should be able to walk home after dark, park in the first spot they see, have drinks in a bar, or go for a jog without being harmed by men.

The news, our senators, our governor, and the vice president (among others, I’m sure) are making this an immigration issue.

This isn’t a immigration issue. This is a men are hurting and raping and killing women issue. How do we make them stop?

This was one of the talking points that popped up.

Let's divert to the issue of rape.

If it were up to me, I would punish rape crimes with the death penalty. That would not include those instances where women consented but then later changed their mind after the fact.


Now, focusing back on the reality of this particular event. I naturally assume she was raped. I personally haven't seen this confirmed by a news story. It may already have been, I don't know.

What we DO know is that if this particular guy had not been in the country he would not have been there to see her, follow her, kidnap her, rape her, or murder her.

And if he was not there, that does not mean some other guy would have popped up and taken his place.


No. An illegal alien killed this girl. Not rape culture.

(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:21 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So this was the big story on Fox last night???”

Makes sense.

Are you upset that illegals commit crimes at a much higher rate than legal citizens and that the man who murdered this young woman was an illegal Mexican? And that this is a big news story must upset you. It could have been worse the perp could have been a brown muslim, cheer up Mach.

Source?

U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.

https://www.ussc.gov/

It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.

Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:

2016:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2015:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2014:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2007:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.

Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.

Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.

Federal convictions are federal convictions. A subset of data (which I offered) is more reliable than no data at all (which you offered). If you've got better data, feel free to share, but I doubt it, as that brings me to my next point..

I'll give Mr_XcentricK the opportunity to retract and disavow, otherwise he will be known from now on as a plagiarist, as his previous post is copied word for word, from this Reddit forum.

Do your own research and come up with your own thoughts, man. Or if you're going to lift someone else's words, at least put it in quotes and cite the source. Come on. That was pathetic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm...istics_us/

(08-22-2018 01:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Are you upset that illegals commit crimes at a much higher rate than legal citizens and that the man who murdered this young woman was an illegal Mexican? And that this is a big news story must upset you. It could have been worse the perp could have been a brown muslim, cheer up Mach.

Source?

U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.

https://www.ussc.gov/

It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.

Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:

2016:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2015:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2014:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2007:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.

Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.

Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.

Federal convictions are federal convictions. What better metric is there? Such a dumb argument.

Also, I'll give Mr_XcentricK the opportunity to retract and disavow, otherwise he will be known from now on as a plagiarist, as his previous post is copied word for word, from this Reddit forum.

Do your own research and come up with your own thoughts, man. Come on. That was pathetic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm...istics_us/

You actually believe that someone as patently dishonest as Mr X is worried about being called a plagiarist? Mr "I'm not a leftist I'm a centrist" yet takes the far left stance more often than not? The same poster who makes up things like the right committing violence at anti-Obama protests and refuses to admit he was wrong when asked to produce evidence of said claims? Hell he'll think being known as a plagiarist is an honor.

(08-22-2018 01:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Are you upset that illegals commit crimes at a much higher rate than legal citizens and that the man who murdered this young woman was an illegal Mexican? And that this is a big news story must upset you. It could have been worse the perp could have been a brown muslim, cheer up Mach.

Source?

U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.

https://www.ussc.gov/

It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.

Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:

2016:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2015:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2014:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2007:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.

Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.

Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.

Federal convictions are federal convictions. A subset of data (which I offered) is more reliable than no data at all (which you offered). If you've got better data, feel free to share, but I doubt it, as that brings me to my next point..

I'll give Mr_XcentricK the opportunity to retract and disavow, otherwise he will be known from now on as a plagiarist, as his previous post is copied word for word, from this Reddit forum.

Do your own research and come up with your own thoughts, man. Or if you're going to lift someone else's words, at least put it in quotes and cite the source. Come on. That was pathetic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm...istics_us/

Bwahahahaha....

I don't need numbers anymore to know that democrats hate America. Contrived, plagiarized or otherwise.

(08-22-2018 01:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Are you upset that illegals commit crimes at a much higher rate than legal citizens and that the man who murdered this young woman was an illegal Mexican? And that this is a big news story must upset you. It could have been worse the perp could have been a brown muslim, cheer up Mach.

Source?

U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.

https://www.ussc.gov/

It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.

Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:

2016:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2015:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2014:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2007:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.

Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.

Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.

Federal convictions are federal convictions. A subset of data (which I offered) is more reliable than no data at all (which you offered). If you've got better data, feel free to share, but I doubt it, as that brings me to my next point..

I'll give Mr_XcentricK the opportunity to retract and disavow, otherwise he will be known from now on as a plagiarist, as his previous post is copied word for word, from this Reddit forum.

Do your own research and come up with your own thoughts, man. Or if you're going to lift someone else's words, at least put it in quotes and cite the source. Come on. That was pathetic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm...istics_us/

Ok, so now you’re dodging the facts to claim he is wrong for copying and pasting something on a messageboard? Can’t say I’m surprised.

(08-22-2018 01:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 01:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Source?

U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.

https://www.ussc.gov/

It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.

Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:

2016:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2015:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2014:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2007:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.

Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.

Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.

Federal convictions are federal convictions. What better metric is there? Such a dumb argument.

Also, I'll give Mr_XcentricK the opportunity to retract and disavow, otherwise he will be known from now on as a plagiarist, as his previous post is copied word for word, from this Reddit forum.

Do your own research and come up with your own thoughts, man. Come on. That was pathetic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm...istics_us/

You actually believe that someone as patently dishonest as Mr X is worried about being called a plagiarist? Mr "I'm not a leftist I'm a centrist" yet takes the far left stance more often than not? The same poster who makes up things like the right committing violence at anti-Obama protests and refuses to admit he was wrong when asked to produce evidence of said claims? Hell he'll think being known as a plagiarist is an honor.

He says, while quoting an example of that user correcting fake news.

(08-22-2018 12:57 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:07 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?

Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.

Yes:
1. a wall with drone patrols and armed turrets
2. the loss of business license for ANY employer found to have illegals working for them
3. the end of sanctuary cities
4. immediate deportation of any and all illegals with a permanent flag to never be allowed in the U.S. for any reason

There's a start.

Cost of #1? Where is that money to come from?

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers

Quote:At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens. That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,075 per illegal alien family member and a total of $115,894,597,664. The total cost of illegal immigration to U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling. In 2013, FAIR estimated the total cost to be approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion. This is a disturbing and unsustainable trend. The sections below will break down and further explain these numbers at the federal, state, and local levels.

Over $130 BILLION annually.
$130,000,000,000

Border Wall Could Cost 3 Times Estimates, Senate Democrats’ Report Says

Quote:The report said the border wall could cost nearly $70 billion to build and $150 million a year to maintain. An internal report by the Department of Homeland Security said the wall could cost about $21.6 billion, not including maintenance.

$70 BILLION upfront
$150 MILLION annually

Year 1
No Wall: $130B
Wall: $70B
Savings: $60B

Year 2
No Wall: $130B
Wall: $150M
Savings: $129.85B

Year 3
No Wall: $130B
Wall: $150M
Savings: $129.85B

Year 4
No Wall: $130B
Wall: $150M
Savings: $129.85B

Year 5
No Wall: $130B
Wall: $150M
Savings: $129.85B

yada yada yada

Five-Year Savings
$579.4B
$579,400,000,000

(08-22-2018 01:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 12:57 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:07 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?

Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.

Yes:
1. a wall with drone patrols and armed turrets
2. the loss of business license for ANY employer found to have illegals working for them
3. the end of sanctuary cities
4. immediate deportation of any and all illegals with a permanent flag to never be allowed in the U.S. for any reason

There's a start.

Cost of #1? Where is that money to come from?

Bless your heart, there’s absolutely no thought into the feasibility of their plans regarding immigration. They voted for the guy who said he’d make Mexico pay for the wall, it’s like bad improv to them. It’s just “yes and”, and the next time those drones will be infrared with sidewinder missiles.

Bless your heart! I think you kinda just stepped in it.

(08-22-2018 01:55 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 01:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Source?

U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.

https://www.ussc.gov/

It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.

Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:

2016:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2015:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2014:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

2007:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...able09.pdf

The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.

Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.

Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.

Federal convictions are federal convictions. A subset of data (which I offered) is more reliable than no data at all (which you offered). If you've got better data, feel free to share, but I doubt it, as that brings me to my next point..

I'll give Mr_XcentricK the opportunity to retract and disavow, otherwise he will be known from now on as a plagiarist, as his previous post is copied word for word, from this Reddit forum.

Do your own research and come up with your own thoughts, man. Or if you're going to lift someone else's words, at least put it in quotes and cite the source. Come on. That was pathetic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm...istics_us/

Ok, so now you’re dodging the facts to claim he is wrong for copying and pasting something on a messageboard? Can’t say I’m surprised.

First line in my post clearly responds to his claim.

You're either trolling (AUP #6) and not making a good faith effort to interact (AUP #4), or you're just not very bright. Please clarify, so I know if I should start reporting your posts or not.

W................T.................H...................

WHAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE to you people?

If a person enters our country without the proper documentation / notification / certification .... whatever....... YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE... and you should go


Warren was asked a direct question about illegal aliens and her answer was "Don't separate babies from their mommies...."

Too bad for her that she is an American because the left simply doesn't care.

(08-22-2018 02:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

She has since been exposed as a distant cousin, but that argument (making a politically charged statement, and using a family member's death to demand something else unrelated not make it political) is just as bad, if not worse.

(08-22-2018 10:28 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:05 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?

Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.

BS and a lame excuse to justify illegal aliens in the USA.

I did not say it justifies it. I was just pointing out what some research by the Cato institute has shown.

Nope. This is all immigrants. Legal immigrants commit almost no crimes because they work their ass off to get here. Illegals commit a hugely disproportionate percentage of crimes.

(08-22-2018 01:18 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I guess those numbers are acceptable to democrats because they hate America.

A few illegal alien murders are ok, right democrats

They don't care, just want the votes

I don’t think I have ever heard any of these liberals here that defend illegal immigration say WHY it should occur at all.
Maybe instead of just defending the 1% elite liberals they could explain WHY DO THEY WANT NO BORDER ENFORCEMENT?

(08-22-2018 02:14 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:28 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:05 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?

Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.

BS and a lame excuse to justify illegal aliens in the USA.

I did not say it justifies it. I was just pointing out what some research by the Cato institute has shown.

Nope. This is all immigrants. Legal immigrants commit almost no crimes because they work their ass off to get here. Illegals commit a hugely disproportionate percentage of crimes.

HE WAS HERE LEGALLY

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...064567002/


A court document filed Wednesday morning states that the man accused of killing Mollie Tibbetts was working legally in Iowa.

Cristhian Bahena Rivera was charged Tuesday in the July 18 disappearance of Tibbetts, a University of Iowa student whose abduction has captured national headlines.

Law enforcement officials on Tuesday said he was an undocumented immigrant, which immediately fueled political debate, including a statement from Gov. Kim Reynolds:"We are angry that a broken immigration system allowed a predator like this to live in our community, and we will do all we can (to) bring justice to Mollie’s killer.”

(08-22-2018 02:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 02:14 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:28 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:05 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?

Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.

BS and a lame excuse to justify illegal aliens in the USA.

I did not say it justifies it. I was just pointing out what some research by the Cato institute has shown.

Nope. This is all immigrants. Legal immigrants commit almost no crimes because they work their ass off to get here. Illegals commit a hugely disproportionate percentage of crimes.

HE WAS HERE LEGALLY

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...064567002/


A court document filed Wednesday morning states that the man accused of killing Mollie Tibbetts was working legally in Iowa.

Cristhian Bahena Rivera was charged Tuesday in the July 18 disappearance of Tibbetts, a University of Iowa student whose abduction has captured national headlines.

Law enforcement officials on Tuesday said he was an undocumented immigrant, which immediately fueled political debate, including a statement from Gov. Kim Reynolds:"We are angry that a broken immigration system allowed a predator like this to live in our community, and we will do all we can (to) bring justice to Mollie’s killer.”

That's not what the article said.

His lawyer claimed he was "working" legally. There is no direct quote that he was here legally. He also wants a gag order which is pretty odd.

Undocumented means he was not here legally. Law enforcement carries a lot more weight than a vague statement by his lawyer.

Now maybe facts will prove law enforcement wrong, but that article doesn't demonstrate he was here legally.

(08-22-2018 02:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 02:14 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:28 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:05 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?

Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.

BS and a lame excuse to justify illegal aliens in the USA.

I did not say it justifies it. I was just pointing out what some research by the Cato institute has shown.

Nope. This is all immigrants. Legal immigrants commit almost no crimes because they work their ass off to get here. Illegals commit a hugely disproportionate percentage of crimes.

HE WAS HERE LEGALLY

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...064567002/


A court document filed Wednesday morning states that the man accused of killing Mollie Tibbetts was working legally in Iowa.

Cristhian Bahena Rivera was charged Tuesday in the July 18 disappearance of Tibbetts, a University of Iowa student whose abduction has captured national headlines.

Law enforcement officials on Tuesday said he was an undocumented immigrant, which immediately fueled political debate, including a statement from Gov. Kim Reynolds:"We are angry that a broken immigration system allowed a predator like this to live in our community, and we will do all we can (to) bring justice to Mollie’s killer.”

Well I guess that clears that up..... We can reopen the borders now

(08-22-2018 12:57 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 11:07 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?

Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.

Yes:
1. a wall with drone patrols and armed turrets
2. the loss of business license for ANY employer found to have illegals working for them
3. the end of sanctuary cities
4. immediate deportation of any and all illegals with a permanent flag to never be allowed in the U.S. for any reason

There's a start.

Cost of #1? Where is that money to come from?

Since when does the left care about how something is going to be paid for?

(08-22-2018 02:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 02:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 02:14 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 10:28 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 06:05 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  BS and a lame excuse to justify illegal aliens in the USA.

I did not say it justifies it. I was just pointing out what some research by the Cato institute has shown.

Nope. This is all immigrants. Legal immigrants commit almost no crimes because they work their ass off to get here. Illegals commit a hugely disproportionate percentage of crimes.

HE WAS HERE LEGALLY

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...064567002/


A court document filed Wednesday morning states that the man accused of killing Mollie Tibbetts was working legally in Iowa.

Cristhian Bahena Rivera was charged Tuesday in the July 18 disappearance of Tibbetts, a University of Iowa student whose abduction has captured national headlines.

Law enforcement officials on Tuesday said he was an undocumented immigrant, which immediately fueled political debate, including a statement from Gov. Kim Reynolds:"We are angry that a broken immigration system allowed a predator like this to live in our community, and we will do all we can (to) bring justice to Mollie’s killer.”

That's not what the article said.

His lawyer claimed he was "working" legally. There is no direct quote that he was here legally. He also wants a gag order which is pretty odd.

Undocumented means he was not here legally. Law enforcement carries a lot more weight than a vague statement by his lawyer.

Now maybe facts will prove law enforcement wrong, but that article doesn't demonstrate he was here legally.

After reading the article, it doesnt say one way or the other what his legal status was.

(08-21-2018 05:21 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:BROOKLYN, Iowa --
Authorities said on Tuesday that they have charged a man living in the U.S. illegally with murder in the death of an Iowa college student who disappeared a month ago while jogging in a rural area.

Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation Special Agent Rick Rahn said that Cristhian Bahena Rivera, 24, was charged with murder in the death of Mollie Tibbetts.

Investigators say they used surveillance video in tracking down Rivera. The video showed Tibbetts, 20, jogging in a rural area near her hometown of Brooklyn as well as Rivera's car.

Police announced the charge at a press conference just hours after they found what they believe to be the body of Tibbetts in a field covered with corn stalks.

https://abc7.com/mollie-tibbets-case-man...r/4018080/

And the "illegal immigrant" in question was working in Iowa for a Republican candidate for office.

So...if you Republicans wouldn't hire illegal immigrants, beautiful (not sure why her looks matter) Mollie would still be alive.