(08-02-2018 11:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think they [ESPN] can pick up MW content for much less than AAC content because it gets much lower ratings and will have very few competing bidders...

I think you just answered your own question about whether ESPN would pay more for the AAC than they would for the MWC.

The AAC gets much higher ratings and hasn’t had to position the American Digital Network as a potential landing spot for all AAC like the MW has. That desperate move tells me there are no other serious bidders for the MW. Meanwhile, Aresco is saying the next AAC contract will bring “multiples” (plural) of the current deal. One woukd only speak that way if they knew they had at least 3 serious bidders prepared to make a run on the AAC. It’s worth noting that the Navy rights went on the market and ESPN wasn’t the winning bidder. The AAC deal will also include the Navy-Notre Dame game every other year—which is just one more reason for NBC to make another run on the AAC.

You do get a few exceptions in the MWC that gets better ratings.

(08-03-2018 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 06:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 05:56 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 11:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

The Navy games didn't go on the open market, that was an exclusive deal that was a win-win for all involved to protect Navy's home scheduling tradition of Saturday only games with the network that mutually wanted to maintain that tradition while adding $$ to the AAC coffers. The whole point was to protect Navys inventory from the open market .

That's not my understanding. From what I recall, the Navy home games vs Notre Dame will be included in the upcoming AAC package, whoever the AAC signs with for 2020+ will get those games.

The AAC gets ND game and first pick every year of another in their package. but the selling out side AAC regular was designed to help navy keep its normal Sat schedule together. It was a win win win for all 3 parties.

I've said before that I disagree, I think it was a special deal for Navy, at the expense of the AAC. But this probably isn't the thread to rehash that, it's done and over with.

I think the money from the Navy still is rolled into the conference pot, it's just considered as another tiered package while at the same time any conference package $$raises will still include an even share for Navy. The only money that is totally separate from the conference is the Army-navy TV rights

(08-03-2018 11:03 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:36 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The AAC gets ND game and first pick every year of another in their package. but the selling out side AAC regular was designed to help navy keep its normal Sat schedule together. It was a win win win for all 3 parties.

I've said before that I disagree, I think it was a special deal for Navy, at the expense of the AAC. But this probably isn't the thread to rehash that, it's done and over with.

Quo REALLY wanted to see what ESPN would do with the Lehigh at Navy game.

Whether the deal was signed with ESPN or CBS or whoever, it was still a Special Deal for Navy in relation to the AAC.

And that doesn't bother me. Navy is in fact more valuable to the AAC television deal than any other AAC school, so Navy should have a sweetheart deal that gives them more of what they want. When USF has Navy's national brand name and an annual series with a P5 blue-blood that can be used to boost the TV contract, then we'll deserve special treatment too, but we don't so we don't, while Navy does.

What is hilarious about this though is that you are so darn determined to be regarded as an "AAC Solidarity Forever" poster - the only Navy fan or alum I've ever met who cares about the AAC at all, BTW - that you insist on denying it so that Navy will be regarded as just one of the gang.

I have no problem with saying it is special. It is different treatment because of the conditions of Navy's entrance to the Big East in 2012.
AND it is win-win-win.

Those two things can both be true.

Right - the special concessions you got to induce you to join, concessions nobody else gets.

It is 'win win' in the sense that if we didn't agree to your special deal, you would not have joined amd we would be worse off as a result

(08-03-2018 12:30 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 06:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 05:56 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  The Navy games didn't go on the open market, that was an exclusive deal that was a win-win for all involved to protect Navy's home scheduling tradition of Saturday only games with the network that mutually wanted to maintain that tradition while adding $$ to the AAC coffers. The whole point was to protect Navys inventory from the open market .

That's not my understanding. From what I recall, the Navy home games vs Notre Dame will be included in the upcoming AAC package, whoever the AAC signs with for 2020+ will get those games.

The AAC gets ND game and first pick every year of another in their package. but the selling out side AAC regular was designed to help navy keep its normal Sat schedule together. It was a win win win for all 3 parties.

I've said before that I disagree, I think it was a special deal for Navy, at the expense of the AAC. But this probably isn't the thread to rehash that, it's done and over with.

I think the money from the Navy still is rolled into the conference pot, it's just considered as another tiered package while at the same time any conference package $$raises will still include an even share for Navy. The only money that is totally separate from the conference is the Army-navy TV rights

The totally separate money that IIRC we all thought back in 2014 would be rolled in to the AAC deal starting in 2020?

To be fair, the entire NCAA treats Army/Navy as special... it even gets its own week!

(08-01-2018 08:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 10:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

My point was that Billy Bobby has now asserted more than once that the SEC deal doesn't allow CBS to show any other college football games on CBS.
Demonstrably not correct.

It is correct. There is a clause that only 3 non SEC (Academy) games can be shown on CBS OTA per season. So other than ND vs Navy every other year, Army vs Air Force or Air Force vs Navy, nothing else can be shown on CBS OTA. No other conference.

(08-03-2018 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 08:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

My point was that Billy Bobby has now asserted more than once that the SEC deal doesn't allow CBS to show any other college football games on CBS.
Demonstrably not correct.

It is correct. There is a clause that only 3 non SEC (Academy) games can be shown on CBS OTA per season. So other than ND vs Navy every other year, Army vs Air Force or Air Force vs Navy, nothing else can be shown on CBS OTA. No other conference.

Was that clause removed when CBS allowed the SECN to compete with them on Saturday afternoons? I imagine both clauses would've been repealed at the same time, no?

(08-03-2018 04:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 08:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

My point was that Billy Bobby has now asserted more than once that the SEC deal doesn't allow CBS to show any other college football games on CBS.
Demonstrably not correct.

It is correct. There is a clause that only 3 non SEC (Academy) games can be shown on CBS OTA per season. So other than ND vs Navy every other year, Army vs Air Force or Air Force vs Navy, nothing else can be shown on CBS OTA. No other conference.

Was that clause removed when CBS allowed the SECN to compete with them on Saturday afternoons? I imagine both clauses would've been repealed at the same time, no?

Doubt it or you would of seen AF vs Army on CBS OTA last year or Navy vs Air Force on OTA instead of CBS-SN.
Look at Arkansas at Colorado St coming up: CBS-SN.

(08-03-2018 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 04:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 03:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 08:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

My point was that Billy Bobby has now asserted more than once that the SEC deal doesn't allow CBS to show any other college football games on CBS.
Demonstrably not correct.

It is correct. There is a clause that only 3 non SEC (Academy) games can be shown on CBS OTA per season. So other than ND vs Navy every other year, Army vs Air Force or Air Force vs Navy, nothing else can be shown on CBS OTA. No other conference.

Was that clause removed when CBS allowed the SECN to compete with them on Saturday afternoons? I imagine both clauses would've been repealed at the same time, no?

Doubt it or you would of seen AF vs Army on CBS OTA last year or Navy vs Air Force on OTA instead of CBS-SN.
Look at Arkansas at Colorado St coming up: CBS-SN.

You don't see Air Force at Navy on OTA because it only did a 1.2 rating and lost its timeslot to games on ESPN AND ESPN2 last time they tried it.
And you contradict yourself if that was already an exception. Do you have a link or source?

(08-01-2018 07:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 10:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A perfect scenario would be one where NBC offered a deal that put a game a week on OTA NBC and two games on weeks when there is no Notre Dame home game.

The rest of the package could be sublicensed for some Friday night ESPN slots as well as aired on NBC Sports.

I'm still of the opinion that bringing in a foursome of western schools like Boise St, San Diego St, AFA, and BYU or landing AFA and Army could help their tv value tremendously, particularly for any tv partner hoping to utilize the late night timeslot.

Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

The current contract between ND/NBC allows the latter to put one game per season (usually against a team like Ball State) on NBC sports.....not "some", just one.

(08-04-2018 08:49 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 10:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

The current contract between ND/NBC allows the latter to put one game per season (usually against a team like Ball State) on NBC sports.....not "some", just one.

That sounds right. Frankly, my point was it was a little surprising to me that the deal allowed any games at all on NBC-Sports. Looking into it, iit appears only 2 ND games have ever been shown on NBC-Sports. One in 2015 and one last year. Frankly, the only reason I even knew about it was I was channel surfing and was shocked to stumble upon a ND game on NBC-Sports last year.

(08-04-2018 09:04 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 08:49 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

The current contract between ND/NBC allows the latter to put one game per season (usually against a team like Ball State) on NBC sports.....not "some", just one.

That sounds right. Frankly, my point was it was a little surprising to me that the deal allowed any games at all on NBC-Sports. Looking into it, iit appears only 2 ND games have ever been shown on NBC-Sports. One in 2015 and one last year. Frankly, the only reason I even knew about it was I was channel surfing and was shocked to stumble upon a ND game on NBC-Sports last year.

It shouldn't really be a shock, as other blue-bloods are appearing on these kinds of outlets as well. E.g., just looking ahead to the first couple of weeks this season, USC's opener vs UNLV is on the PAC 12 Network, which arguably is even lower-profile than NBCSN. Michigan is playing on FS1 the first week of the season, Penn State is also playing early on FS1, and Nebraska and Ohio State are on the BTN for September games. And of course Texas plays on its Longhorn Network. I'd say all of those networks are in the same class as NBCSN.

The SEC Network is different. IMO, that has such broad coverage it is essentially a full-fledged ESPN channel so is a cut above all those.

Still, compared to the other blue-bloods mentioned above, Notre Dame probably appears on the highest-level of prestige channels as much or more than any of them.

But the reason they do play once a year on NBCSN is the same as well - it's all about getting paid - if you want the big dollars you have to be willing to help these big media companies develop these new networks they are trying to establish with your big brand name.

(08-04-2018 09:04 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 08:49 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

The current contract between ND/NBC allows the latter to put one game per season (usually against a team like Ball State) on NBC sports.....not "some", just one.

That sounds right. Frankly, my point was it was a little surprising to me that the deal allowed any games at all on NBC-Sports. Looking into it, it appears only 2 ND games have ever been shown on NBC-Sports. One in 2015 and one last year. Frankly, the only reason I even knew about it was I was channel surfing and was shocked to stumble upon a ND game on NBC-Sports last year.

It was my understanding that NBCSN can show no more than 2 Notre Dame games in any 3-year period. 2015-17 is a 3-year period.

(08-03-2018 11:08 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 11:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think they [ESPN] can pick up MW content for much less than AAC content because it gets much lower ratings and will have very few competing bidders...

I think you just answered your own question about whether ESPN would pay more for the AAC than they would for the MWC.

The AAC gets much higher ratings and hasn’t had to position the American Digital Network as a potential landing spot for all AAC like the MW has. That desperate move tells me there are no other serious bidders for the MW. Meanwhile, Aresco is saying the next AAC contract will bring “multiples” (plural) of the current deal. One woukd only speak that way if they knew they had at least 3 serious bidders prepared to make a run on the AAC. It’s worth noting that the Navy rights went on the market and ESPN wasn’t the winning bidder. The AAC deal will also include the Navy-Notre Dame game every other year—which is just one more reason for NBC to make another run on the AAC.

You do get a few exceptions in the MWC that gets better ratings.

I want to assume that you mean mwc exceptions that get better ratings than majority of mwc games.
mwc exceptions that get better ratings than AAC games isn't really true.

Here are 2017's top ten most viewed games, conference-controlled only, from each of the two conferences, stacked together.
Millions of viewers-conf-game
4.700 AAC USF@UCF
3.385 AAC CCG
3.238 AAC UCLA@Memphis
1.369 AAC Illinois @ USF
1.324 mwc UVA@ Boise St
1.053 mwc Boise State @ UNM
0.992 AAC Temple@ USF
0.769 AAC Memphis@UConn
0.758 AAC Navy @ Temple
0.699 AAC navy @ Houston
0.697 AAC Temple @ Cincinnati
0.683 AAC Memphis @ Tulsa
0.623 mwc Boise St - Fresno St CCG
0.525 mwc BYU @ UNLV
0.455 mwc Hawaii @ Wyoming
0.436 mwc Air Force @ Boise St
0.421 mwc Nevada @ Colorado St
0.414 mwc Wyoming @ Boise St
0.391 mwc Colorado St @ New Mexico
0.359 mwc UNLV@New Mexico
* Texas Tech @ Houston was a reverse mirror ABC/ESPN2 game listed as 3.850 million viewers as well.


If you want to add non-conference-controlled games back in, like some theory that a particular school draws viewers when it goes visiting autonomy five schools:
8.419 AAC Army-Navy
4.700 AAC USF@UCF
3.693 AAC Cincinnati @ Michigan
3.385 AAC CCG
3.238 AAC UCLA@Memphis
3.203 AAC navy @ Notre Dame
2.070 mwc Fresno St @ Alabama
1.760 mwc Utah St @ Wisconsin
1.653 mwc Colorado St @Alabama
1.580 AAC Temple @ Notre Dame
1.369 AAC Illinois @ USF
1.324 mwc UVA@ Boise St
1.265 mwc Boise St @ Washington St
1.053 mwc Boise State @ UNM
1.043 mwc Boise State @ BYU
0.992 AAC Temple@ USF
0.769 AAC Memphis@UConn
0.623 mwc Boise St-Fresno St CCG
0.525 mwc BYU @ UNLV
0.455 mwc Hawaii @ Wyoming

AAC =$15m

(08-03-2018 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:36 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 06:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's not my understanding. From what I recall, the Navy home games vs Notre Dame will be included in the upcoming AAC package, whoever the AAC signs with for 2020+ will get those games.

The AAC gets ND game and first pick every year of another in their package. but the selling out side AAC regular was designed to help navy keep its normal Sat schedule together. It was a win win win for all 3 parties.

I've said before that I disagree, I think it was a special deal for Navy, at the expense of the AAC. But this probably isn't the thread to rehash that, it's done and over with.

Quo REALLY wanted to see what ESPN would do with the Lehigh at Navy game.

Whether the deal was signed with ESPN or CBS or whoever, it was still a Special Deal for Navy in relation to the AAC.

And that doesn't bother me. Navy is in fact more valuable to the AAC television deal than any other AAC school, so Navy should have a sweetheart deal that gives them more of what they want. When USF has Navy's national brand name and an annual series with a P5 blue-blood that can be used to boost the TV contract, then we'll deserve special treatment too, but we don't so we don't, while Navy does.

What is hilarious about this though is that you are so darn determined to be regarded as an "AAC Solidarity Forever" poster - the only Navy fan or alum I've ever met who cares about the AAC at all, BTW - that you insist on denying it so that Navy will be regarded as just one of the gang.

I’ve never seen a Navy fan who puts so much faith into a conference. I suspect you the Navy poster is really Mikey Aresco and God Bless him if he is. I follow Army nominally and this Navy fan poster while a great gigantic rah rah conference poster is a bigger conference fan than they SEC SEC SEC guys. It’s odd.

(08-04-2018 07:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:36 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The AAC gets ND game and first pick every year of another in their package. but the selling out side AAC regular was designed to help navy keep its normal Sat schedule together. It was a win win win for all 3 parties.

I've said before that I disagree, I think it was a special deal for Navy, at the expense of the AAC. But this probably isn't the thread to rehash that, it's done and over with.

Quo REALLY wanted to see what ESPN would do with the Lehigh at Navy game.

Whether the deal was signed with ESPN or CBS or whoever, it was still a Special Deal for Navy in relation to the AAC.

And that doesn't bother me. Navy is in fact more valuable to the AAC television deal than any other AAC school, so Navy should have a sweetheart deal that gives them more of what they want. When USF has Navy's national brand name and an annual series with a P5 blue-blood that can be used to boost the TV contract, then we'll deserve special treatment too, but we don't so we don't, while Navy does.

What is hilarious about this though is that you are so darn determined to be regarded as an "AAC Solidarity Forever" poster - the only Navy fan or alum I've ever met who cares about the AAC at all, BTW - that you insist on denying it so that Navy will be regarded as just one of the gang.

I’ve never seen a Navy fan who puts so much faith into a conference. I suspect you the Navy poster is really Mikey Aresco and God Bless him if he is. I follow Army nominally and this Navy fan poster while a great gigantic rah rah conference poster is a bigger conference fan than they SEC SEC SEC guys. It’s odd.

The strategic endstate of P6 and the AAC strategic plan is the same as the reason Navy eschewed 134 years of successful football independence to join a BCS Auto-qualifier conference. (Being on the proper side of the next big shakeup)So yes, I have great interest in the success of the conference in meeting those strategic goals.

I acknowledge quo has semi-local roots and knows Navy fans and won't gainsay his opinion of their opinions. I'd hazard a guess I know more Navy fans, though, and I am not alone in having interest in the success of the AAC strategic plan.

(08-04-2018 07:52 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 07:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:36 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I've said before that I disagree, I think it was a special deal for Navy, at the expense of the AAC. But this probably isn't the thread to rehash that, it's done and over with.

Quo REALLY wanted to see what ESPN would do with the Lehigh at Navy game.

Whether the deal was signed with ESPN or CBS or whoever, it was still a Special Deal for Navy in relation to the AAC.

And that doesn't bother me. Navy is in fact more valuable to the AAC television deal than any other AAC school, so Navy should have a sweetheart deal that gives them more of what they want. When USF has Navy's national brand name and an annual series with a P5 blue-blood that can be used to boost the TV contract, then we'll deserve special treatment too, but we don't so we don't, while Navy does.

What is hilarious about this though is that you are so darn determined to be regarded as an "AAC Solidarity Forever" poster - the only Navy fan or alum I've ever met who cares about the AAC at all, BTW - that you insist on denying it so that Navy will be regarded as just one of the gang.

I’ve never seen a Navy fan who puts so much faith into a conference. I suspect you the Navy poster is really Mikey Aresco and God Bless him if he is. I follow Army nominally and this Navy fan poster while a great gigantic rah rah conference poster is a bigger conference fan than they SEC SEC SEC guys. It’s odd.

The strategic endstate of P6 and the AAC strategic plan is the same as the reason Navy eschewed 134 years of successful football independence to join a BCS Auto-qualifier conference. (Being on the proper side of the next big shakeup)So yes, I have great interest in the success of the conference in meeting those strategic goals.

I acknowledge quo has semi-local roots and knows Navy fans and won't gainsay his opinion of their opinions. I'd hazard a guess I know more Navy fans, though, and I am not alone in having interest in the success of the AAC strategic plan.

I also have interest in the success of the AAC strategic plan

(08-04-2018 07:52 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 07:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:36 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I've said before that I disagree, I think it was a special deal for Navy, at the expense of the AAC. But this probably isn't the thread to rehash that, it's done and over with.

Quo REALLY wanted to see what ESPN would do with the Lehigh at Navy game.

Whether the deal was signed with ESPN or CBS or whoever, it was still a Special Deal for Navy in relation to the AAC.

And that doesn't bother me. Navy is in fact more valuable to the AAC television deal than any other AAC school, so Navy should have a sweetheart deal that gives them more of what they want. When USF has Navy's national brand name and an annual series with a P5 blue-blood that can be used to boost the TV contract, then we'll deserve special treatment too, but we don't so we don't, while Navy does.

What is hilarious about this though is that you are so darn determined to be regarded as an "AAC Solidarity Forever" poster - the only Navy fan or alum I've ever met who cares about the AAC at all, BTW - that you insist on denying it so that Navy will be regarded as just one of the gang.

I’ve never seen a Navy fan who puts so much faith into a conference. I suspect you the Navy poster is really Mikey Aresco and God Bless him if he is. I follow Army nominally and this Navy fan poster while a great gigantic rah rah conference poster is a bigger conference fan than they SEC SEC SEC guys. It’s odd.

The strategic endstate of P6 and the AAC strategic plan is the same as the reason Navy eschewed 134 years of successful football independence to join a BCS Auto-qualifier conference. (Being on the proper side of the next big shakeup)So yes, I have great interest in the success of the conference in meeting those strategic goals.

I acknowledge quo has semi-local roots and knows Navy fans and won't gainsay his opinion of their opinions. I'd hazard a guess I know more Navy fans, though, and I am not alone in having interest in the success of the AAC strategic plan.

That’s great. It’s odd due to the fact Navy could have gone to the ACC though, and still could. Would you still be an AAC conference fan if Navy truly joined the country club. This P6 stuff is make believe. See the MWC in 2010 with TCU, Utah and BYU and how close but how far they were from joining the club if you want an example of the cartel allowing another entire conference to join them at the table. They only had 9 schools and they weren’t allowed in. The 13 schools of the AAC aren’t getting in either...maybe 2 or 3.

(08-04-2018 08:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 07:52 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 07:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:36 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Quo REALLY wanted to see what ESPN would do with the Lehigh at Navy game.

Whether the deal was signed with ESPN or CBS or whoever, it was still a Special Deal for Navy in relation to the AAC.

And that doesn't bother me. Navy is in fact more valuable to the AAC television deal than any other AAC school, so Navy should have a sweetheart deal that gives them more of what they want. When USF has Navy's national brand name and an annual series with a P5 blue-blood that can be used to boost the TV contract, then we'll deserve special treatment too, but we don't so we don't, while Navy does.

What is hilarious about this though is that you are so darn determined to be regarded as an "AAC Solidarity Forever" poster - the only Navy fan or alum I've ever met who cares about the AAC at all, BTW - that you insist on denying it so that Navy will be regarded as just one of the gang.

I’ve never seen a Navy fan who puts so much faith into a conference. I suspect you the Navy poster is really Mikey Aresco and God Bless him if he is. I follow Army nominally and this Navy fan poster while a great gigantic rah rah conference poster is a bigger conference fan than they SEC SEC SEC guys. It’s odd.

The strategic endstate of P6 and the AAC strategic plan is the same as the reason Navy eschewed 134 years of successful football independence to join a BCS Auto-qualifier conference. (Being on the proper side of the next big shakeup)So yes, I have great interest in the success of the conference in meeting those strategic goals.

I acknowledge quo has semi-local roots and knows Navy fans and won't gainsay his opinion of their opinions. I'd hazard a guess I know more Navy fans, though, and I am not alone in having interest in the success of the AAC strategic plan.

That’s great. It’s odd due to the fact Navy could have gone to the ACC though, and still could. Would you still be an AAC conference fan if Navy truly joined the country club. This P6 stuff is make believe. See the MWC in 2010 with TCU, Utah and BYU and how close but how far they were from joining the club if you want an example of the cartel allowing another entire conference to join them at the table. They only had 9 schools and they weren’t allowed in. The 13 schools of the AAC aren’t getting in either...maybe 2 or 3.

There was never any serious talk about Navy to the ACC. Big East was calling us every year, long before 2011-12.
From your "would you still be" question, I guess I still didn't make myself clear enough: I am interested in the AAC P6/strategic plan succeeding because that is now the path to my school's ending up at our strategic goal.
Look at when P6 got rolled out -- AFTER the BigXII debacle. From the conference perspective that dodged a bullet -- and Navy perspective, too, since our position and our chance of that successful endstate would be weaker if the conference was weakened by top performers leaving. So the P6 was rolled out to say: no individual teams got picked to move up individually, so let's work on moving up together come 2025.
We don't have to transform into the SEC overnight, just keep pace with the autonomous conferences. "Tweener" is not necessarily a repudiation of P6.