Oklahoma Intercollegiate Conference (1914–1928)
Central Oklahoma 19-14-1928
Tulsa 1914-1928
Southwestern Oklahoma State 1914-1928
Oklahoma Baptist 1914-1928
Oklahoma City 1921-1928
Phillips 1914 -1928 1 year in the old SWC
East Central Oklahoma 1914-1928
Southeastern Oklahoma State
Northeastern Oklahoma State 1914-1928
Langston
Oklahoma 1914-1914
Oklahoma State 1914-1924
Kingfisher College 1914-1920
Northwestern Oklahoma State 1914-1928
Oklahoma Panhandle State
Cameron

Note, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State made a stop here before joining the MVC at that time.
Note 2: This conference went under a number of names until it finally disbanded in the mid 1970s. The new conference is now Sooner Athletics Conference in the NAIA level.

I could see 3 or 4 of these schools could move up to D1 in the future. Central Oklahoma Vs Tulsa would be nice to see old rivalries to start again. Or, Oklahoma Baptist Vs Tulsa in football could be wonderful with 2 private schools in Oklahoma to face each other again.

The D2 MIAA seems to be originally founded under a different name in 1912.

Oh yes, the Great War. Memories, like it was yesterday.

Tannenburg, Somme, Jutland, Verdun, Gallipoli, the November Revolution, the Spanish flu, League of nations, Prohibition, Flappers, Capone, Mrs. Harding and the poisoned President -or so folklore-, Calvin Coolidge, stock market, the model-T, the Boardwalk (gangsters) meeting.

It would all change in 1929

The Great War, the War to End All Wars, Snoopy vs. the Red Baron...”The world must be made safe for democracy”- President Woodrow Wilson. UGA was proud that members of its football team fought in that war. They even made a float in a parade with a tank that read “UGA in Argonne” at the back was a man riding a donkey with a banner that read “Tech in Atlanta.”

It shows that both P5 Oklahoma schools were not egotistic back then when they align themselves with an all Oklahoma conference.

(08-04-2018 05:31 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  It shows that both P5 Oklahoma schools were not egotistic back then when they align themselves with an all Oklahoma conference.

All it shows is that the primary mode of transportation around Oklahoma in 1914 was your feet or a horse and buggy, but by the mid-20's trains went more places or you could get around in buses.

Did football players arrive on horseback back then?

Were there stables outside the stadium for everyone to park their horses?

(08-04-2018 06:04 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Did football players arrive on horseback back then?

Were there stables outside the stadium for everyone to park their horses?

LOL, I was clearly exaggerating, but in 1914 transportation was much easier in the northeast or between major cities that had rail lines. Also, in the northeast, universities were much closer together. Universities would hit the road and play against different schools several times in the same week even...

For Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to be in some conference that covered several states in 1914 would have been logistically impossible. It had nothing to do with, as a previous post suggested, ego.

Look at MLB... This is a map of all the cities that had MLB teams from 1903-1953.

Don't crush Davids dream of Arkansas joining a conference of nothing but Arkansas universities

1914 was a much different era. No one imagined what a size and scale big-time college athletics would take. In addition, travel considerations were huge. Most travel was done by train.

OU and Oklahoma A&M joined the Southwest Conference in 1915. OU later moved to the Missouri Valley in 1920. OAMC would later do the same in 1925. Travel was given as a reason, as it was easier to travel by rail from Norman to the northern states than it was to Texas and Arkansas. (I find that hard to believe for Texas, but that's just my personal opinion...however, Fayetteville, Arkansas was a bear to get to). The OU-Texas game continued as a non-conference game in Dallas.

When the Missouri Valley split in 1928, OU joined with Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri, and Iowa State to form what was known as the Big Six. Oklahoma A&M was locked out of that league until 1957, when they were invited to join what became the Big 8. In the meantime, Oklahoma A&M played in the MVC with schools such as Drake and Tulsa. Also in 1957, Oklahoma A&M became Oklahoma State University.

As universities developed, and intercollegiate athletics grew, schools looked to associate themselves with other schools of similar mission and/or willingness and ability to fund athletics at similar levels. A school like OU went out of state to play Texas or Kansas because they could. Even in those days, they had more resources than the "teachers colleges". OU and OSU, just like similar schools in other states, simply outgrew the other state schools.

DavidSt's logic for saying a school should be D1 sounds like he's using this cookie cutter template.

"(School) used to play with (current P5 program) in the same conference (number of years) ago. They would make great travel partners or rivals with (insert schools they played with a century ago or nearby schools)"

(08-04-2018 03:31 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Oh yes, the Great War. Memories, like it was yesterday.

Tannenburg, Somme, Jutland, Verdun, Gallipoli, the November Revolution, the Spanish flu, League of nations, Prohibition, Flappers, Capone, Mrs. Harding and the poisoned President -or so folklore-, Calvin Coolidge, stock market, the model-T, the Boardwalk (gangsters) meeting.

It would all change in 1929

Hah! Caught you! You left out the sinking of the Lusitania and the advent of the tank and submarine in military warfare, as well as the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. And I might add the favorite military condiment of that era, mustard gas.

(08-04-2018 07:04 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 06:04 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Did football players arrive on horseback back then?

Were there stables outside the stadium for everyone to park their horses?

LOL, I was clearly exaggerating, but in 1914 transportation was much easier in the northeast or between major cities that had rail lines. Also, in the northeast, universities were much closer together. Universities would hit the road and play against different schools several times in the same week even...

For Oklahoma and Oklahoma state to be in some conference that covered several states in 1914 would have been logistically impossible. It had nothing to do with, as a previous post suggested, ego.

Look at MLB... This is a map of all the cities that had MLB teams from 1903-1953.

Before this conference, they were playing in the SWC. They sure travel a lot back then, There were a lot of passenger trains back then. The train went through Norman back that time. Trains went through towns like Stillwater, Weatherford, OKC, Shawnee, Ada, Norman, Lawton, and up through Tulsa area. SWC and this conference had trains going through those towns which makes traveling to games easy back then. It change when passenger planes began. Plus the bus. During that time starting in 1895, the first motor buses came about. This conference would be considered like a bus league at the time.

(08-04-2018 12:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 03:31 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Oh yes, the Great War. Memories, like it was yesterday.

Tannenburg, Somme, Jutland, Verdun, Gallipoli, the November Revolution, the Spanish flu, League of nations, Prohibition, Flappers, Capone, Mrs. Harding and the poisoned President -or so folklore-, Calvin Coolidge, stock market, the model-T, the Boardwalk (gangsters) meeting.

It would all change in 1929

Hah! Caught you! You left out the sinking of the Lusitania and the advent of the tank and submarine in military warfare, as well as the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. And I might add the favorite military condiment of that era, mustard gas.

And the rise of the Soviet Union.

(08-04-2018 12:13 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 12:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 03:31 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Oh yes, the Great War. Memories, like it was yesterday.

Tannenburg, Somme, Jutland, Verdun, Gallipoli, the November Revolution, the Spanish flu, League of nations, Prohibition, Flappers, Capone, Mrs. Harding and the poisoned President -or so folklore-, Calvin Coolidge, stock market, the model-T, the Boardwalk (gangsters) meeting.

It would all change in 1929

Hah! Caught you! You left out the sinking of the Lusitania and the advent of the tank and submarine in military warfare, as well as the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. And I might add the favorite military condiment of that era, mustard gas.

And the rise of the Soviet Union.

cough, "November Revolution"

(08-04-2018 12:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 12:13 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 12:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 03:31 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Oh yes, the Great War. Memories, like it was yesterday.

Tannenburg, Somme, Jutland, Verdun, Gallipoli, the November Revolution, the Spanish flu, League of nations, Prohibition, Flappers, Capone, Mrs. Harding and the poisoned President -or so folklore-, Calvin Coolidge, stock market, the model-T, the Boardwalk (gangsters) meeting.

It would all change in 1929

Hah! Caught you! You left out the sinking of the Lusitania and the advent of the tank and submarine in military warfare, as well as the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. And I might add the favorite military condiment of that era, mustard gas.

And the rise of the Soviet Union.

cough, "November Revolution"

How did I miss that?

(08-04-2018 12:35 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 12:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 12:13 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 12:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 03:31 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Oh yes, the Great War. Memories, like it was yesterday.

Tannenburg, Somme, Jutland, Verdun, Gallipoli, the November Revolution, the Spanish flu, League of nations, Prohibition, Flappers, Capone, Mrs. Harding and the poisoned President -or so folklore-, Calvin Coolidge, stock market, the model-T, the Boardwalk (gangsters) meeting.

It would all change in 1929

Hah! Caught you! You left out the sinking of the Lusitania and the advent of the tank and submarine in military warfare, as well as the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. And I might add the favorite military condiment of that era, mustard gas.

And the rise of the Soviet Union.

cough, "November Revolution"

How did I miss that?

You were obviously never a fan of either Pasternak or Anastasia Romanov.

Oklahoma wasn't even admitted into the Union until 1907. It wasn't even a Territory until 1890.

The University of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State University were created on a later date (on the order of 1-5 decades later) vs. their "regional state University peers" such as the University of Arkansas, University of Kansas, University of Colorado, University of Missouri, etc.

So, yes, OU and OSU being in a state-level conference for a longer period of time (before ascending to a more regional-level conference) does make historical sense.

As for the University of Tulsa, they have always punched above their weight. They have a tiny enrollment by Division I standards, with 4,352 total students and 3,174 undergraduates. They have an endowment of over $950 million. This stems from Tulsa's longtime status as a center for the oil industry. Tulsa was once known as "The Oil Capital of the World", and oil made many Tulsans wealthy. A lot of that money made its way to the University of Tulsa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tulsa

Since there is not a free-standing state university in Tulsa, the Tulsa Golden Hurricane became Tulsa's team. OU, OSU, and Arkansas are still popular there, but there is an element that supports TU. The combination of resources and historic place in the community has allowed TU to compete at higher levels than an outside observer might think. When the Missouri Valley decided to play I-AA football, TU decided to play at the Division I-A level. I remember when TU became part of the CFA TV contract, and they decided to put the CFA logo on their field. This would have been a joke to most, but signaled to their people that they were big time. They then moved from the MVC to the WAC to C-USA to the AAC. They have experienced their share of success in both football and basketball.

Tulsa has always played at the highest level possible. They're not a candidate for the Big 12, but they're a solid Division I program. There's quite a distance between them and the other schools in Oklahoma.

(08-04-2018 09:09 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Don't crush Davids dream of Arkansas joining a conference of nothing but Arkansas universities

I bet he thinks UT, Tech and A&M belong in the same conference.

(08-04-2018 03:08 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Oklahoma Intercollegiate Conference (1914–1928)
Central Oklahoma 19-14-1928
Tulsa 1914-1928
Southwestern Oklahoma State 1914-1928
Oklahoma Baptist 1914-1928
Oklahoma City 1921-1928
Phillips 1914 -1928 1 year in the old SWC
East Central Oklahoma 1914-1928
Southeastern Oklahoma State
Northeastern Oklahoma State 1914-1928
Langston
Oklahoma 1914-1914
Oklahoma State 1914-1924
Kingfisher College 1914-1920
Northwestern Oklahoma State 1914-1928
Oklahoma Panhandle State
Cameron

Note, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State made a stop here before joining the MVC at that time.
Note 2: This conference went under a number of names until it finally disbanded in the mid 1970s. The new conference is now Sooner Athletics Conference in the NAIA level.

I could see 3 or 4 of these schools could move up to D1 in the future. Central Oklahoma Vs Tulsa would be nice to see old rivalries to start again. Or, Oklahoma Baptist Vs Tulsa in football could be wonderful with 2 private schools in Oklahoma to face each other again.

The D2 MIAA seems to be originally founded under a different name in 1912.

I wonder what you smoke before posting? How often? How long?