At the request of Go Coog Go!

Among all of the G5 conferences, which programs do you think will be among the best 12 to 14, that could break off into a new conference when the new CFP contract is signed in 2023?

The thread should be about trying to identify which programs will be among the best by 2022-23. Some that look good right now, may not look so good in 5 years. For example, 5 years ago ECU, Rice, Utah State, and Bowling Green all won 10 games or more, but in the last 2 seasons none of those teams have produced a winning record. I think if you are going to explore this topic adequately, it is important to track which programs are best positioned to trend up in key areas (wins, budgets, facility improvements, coaching salaries, and fan support) and which programs appear as though they will likely trend down. Things change fast in the G5. Some programs that look good today might not be turning heads in 2022-23, when the new deal gets signed.

List your 12 to 14 programs in any order you choose. Please provide evidence you believe supports your opinion of the program trending up, or staying ahead of others. Have fun.

Boise State
Houston
Navy
BYU
Memphis
San Diego St
UCF
Temple
USF
Cincy

If I could get those together, I don't need or want anyone else.

(07-31-2018 07:46 PM)ken d Wrote:  Boise State
Houston
Navy
BYU
Memphis
San Diego St
UCF
Temple
USF
Cincy

If I could get those together, I don't need or want anyone else.

Although I agree with most of the programs you listed, you didn;t provide any insight into what these programs are doing to rise or stay among the best of the G5. Why do you believe these programs will be at the top in 5 seasons? What are these 10 doing on and off the field to position themselves to be among the top 12/14?

(07-31-2018 08:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 07:46 PM)ken d Wrote:  Boise State
Houston
Navy
BYU
Memphis
San Diego St
UCF
Temple
USF
Cincy

If I could get those together, I don't need or want anyone else.

Although I agree with most of the programs you listed, you didn;t provide any insight into what these programs are doing to rise or stay among the best of the G5. Why do you believe these programs will be at the top in 5 seasons? What are these 10 doing on and off the field to position themselves to be among the top 12/14?

They're already there, and until somebody shows they can do better I have no reason to believe they won't stay there. I simply don't see anyone else that has the resources to not only get to that level, but to stay there for a long time. That's not to say any number of other teams won't have a good season here or there. But one or two seasons isn't enough. You need to be able to sustain it for five years, ten years or more. I don't see anyone with the resources to supplant them. And by resources, I don't just mean budgets - UConn is spending more than any G5 and they're going nowhere.

North Texas, resources “ because side shoe joe thinks so “

Temple !, I agree with this but only recently, it looks like they are going to get an on campus stadium build mybe sooner that later

What's the rule? 6 or 8 teams that have been in a conference together for 4 years? I can't remember, but you'd need a base of those teams (likely out of the AAC) then add more for 12 to 14 from anywhere else.

Unless this is a purely fictional 'best of the rest' scenario.

If 8 teams for 4 years is the starting criteria. For best FB/BB I'd go with..

Cinci
UConn
USF
UCF
Temple
Memphis
Houston
ECU
Navy
Marshall
Boise State
San Diego State
Colorado State
BYU

*in hoops sub in Wichita State for Navy

(07-31-2018 08:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 07:46 PM)ken d Wrote:  Boise State
Houston
Navy
BYU
Memphis
San Diego St
UCF
Temple
USF
Cincy

If I could get those together, I don't need or want anyone else.

Although I agree with most of the programs you listed, you didn;t provide any insight into what these programs are doing to rise or stay among the best of the G5. Why do you believe these programs will be at the top in 5 seasons? What are these 10 doing on and off the field to position themselves to be among the top 12/14?

Not really a fair question, because "being among the top 12-14 by 2023" is an imaginary goal, one that you made up, so it's fair to say that none of those schools have developed formal plans to achieve it.

So his response, just listing the schools he thinks will be best of the G5 five years from now, was reasonable.

(08-01-2018 07:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 08:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 07:46 PM)ken d Wrote:  Boise State
Houston
Navy
BYU
Memphis
San Diego St
UCF
Temple
USF
Cincy

If I could get those together, I don't need or want anyone else.

Although I agree with most of the programs you listed, you didn;t provide any insight into what these programs are doing to rise or stay among the best of the G5. Why do you believe these programs will be at the top in 5 seasons? What are these 10 doing on and off the field to position themselves to be among the top 12/14?

Not really a fair question, because "being among the top 12-14 by 2023" is an imaginary goal, one that you made up, so it's fair to say that none of those schools have developed formal plans to achieve it.

So his response, just listing the schools he thinks will be best of the G5 five years from now, was reasonable.

And, none of the programs I listed have as a goal being among the top 12-14 of the G5. Their goal is to be promoted out of that group entirely. And once they are, who cares who the best of the remaining 55 or so schools are? They will all, for the foreseeable future, be the "buy games" for the de facto upper division of the FBS.

2023 isn't a realistic timeframe for measuring progress among those 55 schools. Maybe 2043 is. The schools at the top of the foodchain didn't get that way overnight. They got there over many decades. All the planning and wishful thinking in the world won't change that.

(08-01-2018 07:31 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 08:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 07:46 PM)ken d Wrote:  Boise State
Houston
Navy
BYU
Memphis
San Diego St
UCF
Temple
USF
Cincy

If I could get those together, I don't need or want anyone else.

Although I agree with most of the programs you listed, you didn;t provide any insight into what these programs are doing to rise or stay among the best of the G5. Why do you believe these programs will be at the top in 5 seasons? What are these 10 doing on and off the field to position themselves to be among the top 12/14?

Not really a fair question, because "being among the top 12-14 by 2023" is an imaginary goal, one that you made up, so it's fair to say that none of those schools have developed formal plans to achieve it.

So his response, just listing the schools he thinks will be best of the G5 five years from now, was reasonable.

And, none of the programs I listed have as a goal being among the top 12-14 of the G5. Their goal is to be promoted out of that group entirely. And once they are, who cares who the best of the remaining 55 or so schools are? They will all, for the foreseeable future, be the "buy games" for the de facto upper division of the FBS.

2023 isn't a realistic timeframe for measuring progress among those 55 schools. Maybe 2043 is. The schools at the top of the foodchain didn't get that way overnight. They got there over many decades. All the planning and wishful thinking in the world won't change that.

The schools at the top - the Notre Dames and USCs and Alabamas - took decades to get there, but that's not USF's goal, we just want to get into a Power conference.

Hopefully, that won't take decades.

(08-01-2018 07:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:31 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 07:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 08:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 07:46 PM)ken d Wrote:  Boise State
Houston
Navy
BYU
Memphis
San Diego St
UCF
Temple
USF
Cincy

If I could get those together, I don't need or want anyone else.

Although I agree with most of the programs you listed, you didn;t provide any insight into what these programs are doing to rise or stay among the best of the G5. Why do you believe these programs will be at the top in 5 seasons? What are these 10 doing on and off the field to position themselves to be among the top 12/14?

Not really a fair question, because "being among the top 12-14 by 2023" is an imaginary goal, one that you made up, so it's fair to say that none of those schools have developed formal plans to achieve it.

So his response, just listing the schools he thinks will be best of the G5 five years from now, was reasonable.

And, none of the programs I listed have as a goal being among the top 12-14 of the G5. Their goal is to be promoted out of that group entirely. And once they are, who cares who the best of the remaining 55 or so schools are? They will all, for the foreseeable future, be the "buy games" for the de facto upper division of the FBS.

2023 isn't a realistic timeframe for measuring progress among those 55 schools. Maybe 2043 is. The schools at the top of the foodchain didn't get that way overnight. They got there over many decades. All the planning and wishful thinking in the world won't change that.

The schools at the top - the Notre Dames and USCs and Alabamas - took decades to get there, but that's not USF's goal, we just want to get into a Power conference.

Hopefully, that won't take decades.

Well, you already have a couple of decades under your belt.

(08-01-2018 06:36 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  What's the rule? 6 or 8 teams that have been in a conference together for 4 years? I can't remember, but you'd need a base of those teams (likely out of the AAC) then add more for 12 to 14 from anywhere else.

Unless this is a purely fictional 'best of the rest' scenario.

That's one of those rules that we've not seen anyone have their feet held to the fire over.

Reality is if it happened between CUSA and Sun Belt, the resulting shuffle would almost certainly mean one of the two "dies" and the new league would end up being deemed the successor league.

Assuming that the G5 still has the same membership (a big assumption in itself):

Air Force
Army
Boise State
BYU
Cincinnati
Fresno State
Houston
Memphis
Navy
San Diego State
UCF
USF

Boise State, Houston, Navy, UCF and USF are all selected due to sustained success in football. They are routinely near the top of the G5 and will continue to regularly compete for G5 Access Bowl slots. BYU is an immediate addition due to their historical prestige, national following and strong commitment to football. Air Force and Army are both selected because they would provide value in viewership, have a strong national following and are peers with Navy (and both have experienced some strong success in football in recent memory). Cincinnati, Memphis and San Diego State are all selected because they have demonstrated that they are capable of being a top G5 football program, have very strong markets, and have experienced national success. The 12th member was a difficult decision, but I selected Fresno State due to their similar athletic budgets to many of the other programs in this league, location, football stadium size as well as historical success. The fact that they just won ten games last year is a huge plus too.

In 2023, the number of schools with power status will have slightly decreased to something like 63 or 64 from the present 65. Due to media deal negotiation around 2023/2024 (we'll say 2023 for the sake of this post), the XII will cease to exist as 8 or 9 of its current members find homes elsewhere.

I'll gamble to say the power conferences look like this:

SEC
West: Texas, Texas A&M, Iowa St, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

B1G
West: Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
East: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

ACC
East: Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Louisville
Atlantic: North Carolina St, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida St
Coastal: Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Miami

PAC
West: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, TCU

IND - Notre Dame (remains in the ACC for non-football sports)

It is also important to note that any cross-country conference like those anticipated in this thread will be closer 16-20 members unless they are football-only. My best guess for a best of the rest is the AAC + BYU + Baylor + Army + Front Range + Boise St + San Diego St. Some rivalries would be split up in the pod system but would replace non-pod games.

AAC
West: San Diego St, Boise St, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico
South: Tulsa, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Tulane
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, South Florida, Central Florida
National: BYU, Army, Navy, Air Force, Connecticut

EDIT: I forgot East Carolina.

AAC
West: San Diego St, Boise St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico
Central: Tulsa, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Tulane, Navy, Army
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, South Florida, Central Florida, East Carolina, Temple, Connecticut

(08-01-2018 08:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:36 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  What's the rule? 6 or 8 teams that have been in a conference together for 4 years? I can't remember, but you'd need a base of those teams (likely out of the AAC) then add more for 12 to 14 from anywhere else.

Unless this is a purely fictional 'best of the rest' scenario.

That's one of those rules that we've not seen anyone have their feet held to the fire over.

Reality is if it happened between CUSA and Sun Belt, the resulting shuffle would almost certainly mean one of the two "dies" and the new league would end up being deemed the successor league.

Probably it would be the SBC that dies which has only 10 FBS schools at the moment and is safe harboring ULM and Coastal.

A new league forms and CUSA is left as a WAC like doughnut hole conference. SBC extinct and a few are left behind to either drop or forge on as an independent.

No. The AAC exists.

Do you now see why I limited the other thread to SBC, CUSA, + MAC?

A best of the rest of all the G5 simply becomes... the AAC, with a few MWC teams sprinkled in.

(08-01-2018 10:02 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  In 2023, the number of schools with power status will have slightly decreased to something like 63 or 64 from the present 65. Due to media deal negotiation around 2023/2024 (we'll say 2023 for the sake of this post), the XII will cease to exist as 8 or 9 of its current members find homes elsewhere.

I'll gamble to say the power conferences look like this:

SEC
West: Texas, Texas A&M, Iowa St, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

B1G
West: Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
East: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

ACC
East: Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Louisville
Atlantic: North Carolina St, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida St
Coastal: Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Miami

PAC
West: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, TCU

IND - Notre Dame (remains in the ACC for non-football sports)

It is also important to note that any cross-country conference like those anticipated in this thread will be closer 16-20 members unless they are football-only. My best guess for a best of the rest is the AAC + BYU + Baylor + Army + Front Range + Boise St + San Diego St. Some rivalries would be split up in the pod system but would replace non-pod games.

AAC
West: San Diego St, Boise St, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico
South: Tulsa, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Tulane
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, South Florida, Central Florida
National: BYU, Army, Navy, Air Force, Connecticut

EDIT: I forgot East Carolina.

AAC
West: San Diego St, Boise St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico
Central: Tulsa, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Tulane, Navy, Army
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, South Florida, Central Florida, East Carolina, Temple, Connecticut

Iowa State to the SEC? They're not adding ISU under any circumstances. The Pac will not add OSU without OU, nor will they add TT or TCU without UT (and there's nothing to compel them to add KSU at all).

Revamped MAC

NORTH
Ohio
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Buffalo
Marshall

Southern division
Western Kentucky
MTSU
Old Dominion
Georgia State
Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State

Cutting out the bottom feeders from MAC,CUSA, and SBC and form this conf. Would do a lot for these schools

"Best of the rest conference" 2026

EAST
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Iowa State
South Florida
UCF
West Virginia
WEST
Baylor
BYU
Houston
Kansas State
TCU
Texas Tech