(07-11-2018 11:56 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  " we already have two people bidding and most likely a third"
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Links please.

CBS sports just bid on, then won the navy content and continues to buy our inventory off ESPN.

ESPN continues to maintain it's exclusive 30 day negotiation period and before the change in excecs was already in preliminaries with Aresco.

NBC is uncomfirmed, but appears to be setting up a landing place and bid on the content before the current deal.


People seem to fail to understand that we are already selling off our next contract. ESPN continues to put more of our content OTA than required, CBS is buying our inventory through ESPN and continues to do things like pick up the navy vs ND game for OTA.

We have two bidders and probably three. We will have to wait to see if streaming is a viable option.

(07-11-2018 08:30 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  The AAC is a strange animal that I think no one knows what to do with.

We're not quite P5...

... but we're clearly above the G4.

We're a viable product for the networks... yet we never seem to have any leverage.

We can compete with the big dogs... yet no one respects us.

I think we're just misunderstood.

This...was also true with the old Big East. What we experience is the E$PN Propaganda machine at work!

(07-11-2018 12:09 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 11:56 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  " we already have two people bidding and most likely a third"
6
Links please.

CBS sports just bid on, then won the navy content and continues to buy our inventory off ESPN.

ESPN continues to maintain it's exclusive 30 day negotiation period and before the change in excecs was already in preliminaries with Aresco.

NBC is uncomfirmed, but appears to be setting up a landing place and bid on the content before the current deal.


People seem to fail to understand that we are already selling off our next contract. ESPN continues to put more of our content OTA than required, CBS is buying our inventory through ESPN and continues to do things like pick up the navy vs ND game for OTA.

We have two bidders and probably three. We will have to wait to see if streaming is a viable option.

A quick google didn't find it for me, but somewhere in the flurry of Aresco interviews last month or so, he said (no quotation marks til I find it):
We have multiple parties interested in being our media rights partner.

(07-11-2018 11:25 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 10:23 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 09:37 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 07:40 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:38 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  So if we used strictly viewership numbers, we should be getting exactly half of what the B12 gets. I could live with that.

Unfortunately the market for our content is not completely dictated on viewership numbers...

That seems odd. Television is about the number of viewers you can get. Can you show me an example of where that isn't true?

Its a factor... but there are other things that play into it, such as supply and demand. How many available slots does said network have to play our content in, what is the projected viewership we could do in those particular time slots/channels, etc. Our viewership numbers are also tied to the slots those games were broadcast in. They aren't static (meaning, our game isnt going to draw the same # of people on a Thursday night on ESPN vs. Saturday at 4pm on ESPN2, or Saturday at noon on ABC). So, what network we get offers from, and what slots/channels they plan on broadcasting us on would effect our viewership numbers and therefore effect our value, etc.

Lastly, if there is not heavy bidding for our content between multiple parties... it doesn't matter what its potential value is. All that matters is what someone is willing to pay for it. And if there's only 1 network that really wants our content, they don't have to offer the equivalent of its value. They can offer a lowball...

Wow. So for the AAC it's completely different than any other media product?

Excecs don't go around turning down million person audiences.

Our numbers are not produced in a vacuum. This is not us introducing into a new market. We already get these numbers across a variety of channels and time slots, that's why slh has the numbers broke down the way he does, every game, conference controlled games, and only conference games.

Competition is for viewers in the media world period. This contract will be exclusively decided based on the numbers we can produce, to think otherwise discards the reality of how those numbers were produced. This is no different then a television show, which are often moved in time slots, or are picked up by another network. Our original offering was a new show, with no established stars, a shakey cast, and an unproven writer. We have pulled in the numbers against the top rated shows and been consitant about it over five years. Our value has drastically increased.

As far as competition, live content is at a premium and we already have two people bidding and most likely a third. That doesn't even get into new media.

I am continually amazed at how only the AAC numbers don't do what television numbers for everything else does by message board posters. Every new show on television starts off with a minimum of investment that grows as the show builds ratings. The show runner and cast get bumps in pay and so long as the numbers maintain and the cast remains the show continues and the pay increases.

Kind of. Think of it like this. NBC had a top timeslot back in the day (Thursday at 8pm I think). NBC pays a given bucket of money to the program occupying that #1 timeslot.

When Seinfeld got really popular, it moved into the #1 slot. If Senfeld had stayed on tv, people would have eventually gotten tired of it, and some new show in a secondary slot could come along and de-thrown it. TV programs were constantly jockeying for position. With the advent of DVR and streaming, this model has changed a bit for everything OTHER than live sports.

Other differences:
1. In this situation, no one is getting tired of Seinfeld (A5 football). And NBC only pays top slot money to the program in the top slot.
2. It's like that for slots 1-50, and we occupy slots 51-72. Most A5 conference games don't even get on the prime channels, but the networks pay for htem because they have a few teams that they DO want in the top spots. (Alabama, Ohio State, etc)

There is, however, potentially hope in your streaming argument. Assuming we actually get/keep our audience, streaming will lead to a model where actual global eyeballs are counted. Rather than focusing on viewing areas and subscribers per area to make estimates, teams/conferences might start getting paid based on actuals. Just might be a minute...

(07-11-2018 09:20 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 08:30 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  The AAC is a strange animal that I think no one knows what to do with.

We're not quite P5...

... but we're clearly above the G4.

We're a viable product for the networks... yet we never seem to have any leverage.

We can compete with the big dogs... yet no one respects us.

I think we're just misunderstood.

All we have is us.

(07-10-2018 06:53 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Great work! Shows how far we are ahead of G5 conferences, but also how far behind we are of P5. I believe American is on the rise and proud UCF is a member.

The methodology makes our comparison to the P5 look worse because P5 have more games on the premiere networks. If a game is put on ABC or Fox OTS, it gets better viewership than if the same game were on ESPN/FS1.

P5 have a lot of games on ABC/CBS/Fox OTA channels which always draw the highest viewership. I think the AAC only had two regular season games on those channels last year.

Same with ESPN...it has more viewers than ESPN 2...which has more viewers than ESPNU & ESPN news, and the P5 have more games on ESPN. AAC sometimes get ESPN, but a lot of our content is on ESPN2 or lower which created lower viewership.


A UCF fan did a detailed analysis of AAC games vs P5 and further divided it into network and timeslot. So, for example, in comparing viewership of AAC games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM Saturday timeslot, they are only compared to P5 games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM timeslot.

He found that the AAC games on average drew between 40% and 70% of the viewers that P5 games drew in the same timeslot on the same network.

(07-11-2018 03:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 06:53 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Great work! Shows how far we are ahead of G5 conferences, but also how far behind we are of P5. I believe American is on the rise and proud UCF is a member.

The methodology makes our comparison to the P5 look worse because P5 have more games on the premiere networks. If a game is put on ABC or Fox OTS, it gets better viewership than if the same game were on ESPN/FS1.

P5 have a lot of games on ABC/CBS/Fox OTA channels which always draw the highest viewership. I think the AAC only had two regular season games on those channels last year.

Same with ESPN...it has more viewers than ESPN 2...which has more viewers than ESPNU & ESPN news, and the P5 have more games on ESPN. AAC sometimes get ESPN, but a lot of our content is on ESPN2 or lower which created lower viewership.


A UCF fan did a detailed analysis of AAC games vs P5 and further divided it into network and timeslot. So, for example, in comparing viewership of AAC games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM Saturday timeslot, they are only compared to P5 games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM timeslot.

He found that the AAC games on average drew between 40% and 70% of the viewers that P5 games drew in the same timeslot on the same network.

This. This is what I'm talking about.

Yes, our games in the prime timeslots do pretty well.

However, at no point in the near future will the networks put our games in those slots on a regular basis.

Like in upcoming deal negotiations, you have to apply real-world data. We'll be on the tier-2 channels, so we will be valued based on the eyeballs we'd bring in on those channels.

That is why you can't just take viewership, and that's why we're probably not going to get 50% P5 money in this next deal.

Not trying to be a downer, just trying to manage my/our expectations.

(07-11-2018 03:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 06:53 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Great work! Shows how far we are ahead of G5 conferences, but also how far behind we are of P5. I believe American is on the rise and proud UCF is a member.

The methodology makes our comparison to the P5 look worse because P5 have more games on the premiere networks. If a game is put on ABC or Fox OTS, it gets better viewership than if the same game were on ESPN/FS1.

P5 have a lot of games on ABC/CBS/Fox OTA channels which always draw the highest viewership. I think the AAC only had two regular season games on those channels last year.

Same with ESPN...it has more viewers than ESPN 2...which has more viewers than ESPNU & ESPN news, and the P5 have more games on ESPN. AAC sometimes get ESPN, but a lot of our content is on ESPN2 or lower which created lower viewership.


A UCF fan did a detailed analysis of AAC games vs P5 and further divided it into network and timeslot. So, for example, in comparing viewership of AAC games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM Saturday timeslot, they are only compared to P5 games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM timeslot.

He found that the AAC games on average drew between 40% and 70% of the viewers that P5 games drew in the same timeslot on the same network.

I would be interested in seeing this if you have a link. My first answer would be that it is hard to get a useful sample. I know when some fan of a contract-bowl-conference school called out specific (generally lower half) AAC games, asking how they would compete...well, that Friday night ESPN2 game, three aren't any SEC Friday night ESPN2 games for comparison.
Sure, War on I4 solidly beat p5 game in same Black Friday OTA timeslot the year before...and the response will be that it isn't Michigan OhioState. There is value in backing out to compare all intra-conference games.

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Its striking how weak CUSA's TV numbers have become. Its clear the plummet of their TV deal from 1.4 million a team to 200K a team had nothing to do with cord cutting. It was all about the numbers.

(07-11-2018 07:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Its striking how weak CUSA's TV numbers have become. Its clear the plummet of their TV deal from 1.4 million a team to 200K a team had nothing to do with cord cutting. It was all about the numbers.

In CUSA's defense, their numbers suffer from the inclusion of beIN games. Multiple beIN games show up as zero, and even those with thousands or ten-thousands hurt.
On the other hand, it is what it is.

(07-11-2018 11:56 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  " we already have two people bidding and most likely a third"

Links please.

ESPN and CBS-Sports currently buy AAC content. NBC is a likely bidder as they seemed to have cleared out Saturday slots and they bid last time. Other possible wildcard bidders are streamers like Amazon or Twitter.

(07-11-2018 07:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Its striking how weak CUSA's TV numbers have become. Its clear the plummet of their TV deal from 1.4 million a team to 200K a team had nothing to do with cord cutting. It was all about the numbers.

I'd say the numbers have more to do with TV windows or lack thereof for CUSA.

That is really what the data tells you....who has the best TV deal not who is the best TV draw.

(07-11-2018 11:46 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 07:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Its striking how weak CUSA's TV numbers have become. Its clear the plummet of their TV deal from 1.4 million a team to 200K a team had nothing to do with cord cutting. It was all about the numbers.

I'd say the numbers have more to do with TV windows or lack thereof for CUSA.

That is really what the data tells you....who has the best TV deal not who is the best TV draw.

Not really. Even in like windows CHSA struggles. Additionally—its a catch 22. The networks put what they believe is the best content into the most favorable windows. So, dismal numbers limit your access to good windows. To an extent—it’s a negative feedback loop that is self fulfilling. Content that is thoght to be weaker is put into the least favorable windows——so, what a surprise when the content that is set up to fail performs poorly.

(07-11-2018 03:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 06:53 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Great work! Shows how far we are ahead of G5 conferences, but also how far behind we are of P5. I believe American is on the rise and proud UCF is a member.

The methodology makes our comparison to the P5 look worse because P5 have more games on the premiere networks. If a game is put on ABC or Fox OTS, it gets better viewership than if the same game were on ESPN/FS1.

P5 have a lot of games on ABC/CBS/Fox OTA channels which always draw the highest viewership. I think the AAC only had two regular season games on those channels last year.

Same with ESPN...it has more viewers than ESPN 2...which has more viewers than ESPNU & ESPN news, and the P5 have more games on ESPN. AAC sometimes get ESPN, but a lot of our content is on ESPN2 or lower which created lower viewership.


A UCF fan did a detailed analysis of AAC games vs P5 and further divided it into network and timeslot. So, for example, in comparing viewership of AAC games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM Saturday timeslot, they are only compared to P5 games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM timeslot.

He found that the AAC games on average drew between 40% and 70% of the viewers that P5 games drew in the same timeslot on the same network.

This is the analysis that indicates a big increase in the next deal to somewhere around $15M.

Sent from my Moto E (4) Plus using CSNbbs mobile app

(07-12-2018 06:42 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 03:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 06:53 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Great work! Shows how far we are ahead of G5 conferences, but also how far behind we are of P5. I believe American is on the rise and proud UCF is a member.

The methodology makes our comparison to the P5 look worse because P5 have more games on the premiere networks. If a game is put on ABC or Fox OTS, it gets better viewership than if the same game were on ESPN/FS1.

P5 have a lot of games on ABC/CBS/Fox OTA channels which always draw the highest viewership. I think the AAC only had two regular season games on those channels last year.

Same with ESPN...it has more viewers than ESPN 2...which has more viewers than ESPNU & ESPN news, and the P5 have more games on ESPN. AAC sometimes get ESPN, but a lot of our content is on ESPN2 or lower which created lower viewership.


A UCF fan did a detailed analysis of AAC games vs P5 and further divided it into network and timeslot. So, for example, in comparing viewership of AAC games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM Saturday timeslot, they are only compared to P5 games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM timeslot.

He found that the AAC games on average drew between 40% and 70% of the viewers that P5 games drew in the same timeslot on the same network.

This is the analysis that indicates a big increase in the next deal to somewhere around $15M.

Sent from my Moto E (4) Plus using CSNbbs mobile app

^^^this^^^I understand how and why some would rather err on the side of getting another lowball contract, but there's just to many objective indicators including actual conference administrators who are in the know that are openly signaling that something good is about to happen contract wise. These things together are making me very confident of at least a 10mil+ contract. All I have to say is NBC COME ON DOWN. On a side note I'd really be grateful if someone would convince that I'm to optimistic about this because I really don't want to have my heart ripped out next January lolol

(07-19-2018 09:40 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2018 06:42 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 03:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 06:53 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Great work! Shows how far we are ahead of G5 conferences, but also how far behind we are of P5. I believe American is on the rise and proud UCF is a member.

The methodology makes our comparison to the P5 look worse because P5 have more games on the premiere networks. If a game is put on ABC or Fox OTS, it gets better viewership than if the same game were on ESPN/FS1.

P5 have a lot of games on ABC/CBS/Fox OTA channels which always draw the highest viewership. I think the AAC only had two regular season games on those channels last year.

Same with ESPN...it has more viewers than ESPN 2...which has more viewers than ESPNU & ESPN news, and the P5 have more games on ESPN. AAC sometimes get ESPN, but a lot of our content is on ESPN2 or lower which created lower viewership.


A UCF fan did a detailed analysis of AAC games vs P5 and further divided it into network and timeslot. So, for example, in comparing viewership of AAC games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM Saturday timeslot, they are only compared to P5 games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM timeslot.

He found that the AAC games on average drew between 40% and 70% of the viewers that P5 games drew in the same timeslot on the same network.

This is the analysis that indicates a big increase in the next deal to somewhere around $15M.

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^^^this^^^I understand how and why some would rather err on the side of getting another lowball contract, but there's just to many objective indicators including actual conference administrators who are in the know that are openly signaling that something good is about to happen contract wise. These things together are making me very confident of at least a 10mil+ contract. All I have to say is NBC COME ON DOWN. On a side note I'd really be grateful if someone would convince that I'm to optimistic about this because I really don't want to have my heart ripped out next January lolol

I feel like the only way we would get that kind of loot is if one of the networks that traditionally pays big dollars for A5 football drops one of those conferences, opting to get us for a little less. Otherwise, I don't know what budget that kind of money for us would come from.

(07-11-2018 04:29 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 03:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 06:53 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Great work! Shows how far we are ahead of G5 conferences, but also how far behind we are of P5. I believe American is on the rise and proud UCF is a member.

The methodology makes our comparison to the P5 look worse because P5 have more games on the premiere networks. If a game is put on ABC or Fox OTS, it gets better viewership than if the same game were on ESPN/FS1.

P5 have a lot of games on ABC/CBS/Fox OTA channels which always draw the highest viewership. I think the AAC only had two regular season games on those channels last year.

Same with ESPN...it has more viewers than ESPN 2...which has more viewers than ESPNU & ESPN news, and the P5 have more games on ESPN. AAC sometimes get ESPN, but a lot of our content is on ESPN2 or lower which created lower viewership.


A UCF fan did a detailed analysis of AAC games vs P5 and further divided it into network and timeslot. So, for example, in comparing viewership of AAC games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM Saturday timeslot, they are only compared to P5 games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM timeslot.

He found that the AAC games on average drew between 40% and 70% of the viewers that P5 games drew in the same timeslot on the same network.

This. This is what I'm talking about.

Yes, our games in the prime timeslots do pretty well.

However, at no point in the near future will the networks put our games in those slots on a regular basis.

Like in upcoming deal negotiations, you have to apply real-world data. We'll be on the tier-2 channels, so we will be valued based on the eyeballs we'd bring in on those channels.

That is why you can't just take viewership, and that's why we're probably not going to get 50% P5 money in this next deal.

Not trying to be a downer, just trying to manage my/our expectations.

Not necessarily true. Take NBC for instance—-placing the top AAC game available would be a rating bonanza compared to running a 3 hour car auction or an infomercial. It depends entirely on the options those platforms currently have. It may be we are far more valuable to NBC than to ESPN.

(07-19-2018 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:29 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 03:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 06:53 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Great work! Shows how far we are ahead of G5 conferences, but also how far behind we are of P5. I believe American is on the rise and proud UCF is a member.

The methodology makes our comparison to the P5 look worse because P5 have more games on the premiere networks. If a game is put on ABC or Fox OTS, it gets better viewership than if the same game were on ESPN/FS1.

P5 have a lot of games on ABC/CBS/Fox OTA channels which always draw the highest viewership. I think the AAC only had two regular season games on those channels last year.

Same with ESPN...it has more viewers than ESPN 2...which has more viewers than ESPNU & ESPN news, and the P5 have more games on ESPN. AAC sometimes get ESPN, but a lot of our content is on ESPN2 or lower which created lower viewership.


A UCF fan did a detailed analysis of AAC games vs P5 and further divided it into network and timeslot. So, for example, in comparing viewership of AAC games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM Saturday timeslot, they are only compared to P5 games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM timeslot.

He found that the AAC games on average drew between 40% and 70% of the viewers that P5 games drew in the same timeslot on the same network.

This. This is what I'm talking about.

Yes, our games in the prime timeslots do pretty well.

However, at no point in the near future will the networks put our games in those slots on a regular basis.

Like in upcoming deal negotiations, you have to apply real-world data. We'll be on the tier-2 channels, so we will be valued based on the eyeballs we'd bring in on those channels.

That is why you can't just take viewership, and that's why we're probably not going to get 50% P5 money in this next deal.

Not trying to be a downer, just trying to manage my/our expectations.

Not necessarily true. Take NBC for instance—-placing the top AAC game available would be a rating bonanza compared to running a 3 hour car auction or an infomercial. It depends entirely on the options those platforms currently have. It may be we are far more valuable to NBC than to ESPN.

That's probably true, but NBC also has all Notre Dame home games by default, and pays a poo ton to carry premiere league on Saturdays until about 2:00pm.

(07-11-2018 04:29 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 03:52 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 06:53 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(07-10-2018 03:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Football viewership. I went through the data from http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/ for regular season and conference championship games (not bowl games/CFP). For each conference, I looked at: viewers in all games involving conference teams (and per game average); viewers of conference controlled games (and per game average); viewers of intra-conference games (and per game average).

The AAC gets 12-22% of SEC/BIG10 viewership (up to 34.6% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 18-29% of ACC viewership (up to 41% avg per rated game)
The AAC gets 25-43% of BigXII/PAC viewers over the season - as much as 58% for per game averages.

Conversely, G4 viewers of intra-conference games are 4-31% of AAC intra-conference games (higher for avg per rated game, but best G4 intra-conference per game average is 56.6% of AAC). G4s have 11-39% of AAC's viewers for all games (25-62% avg per rated game).

As a reminder, AAC Power 6 is not/not an assertion that the AAC is the equivalent of the SEC or Big10 today. P6 is an information campaign with the assertion that the AAC is closer to the five conferences ahead of us than the four behind us. The strategic goal of this information campaign is to improve the American and its members' chances of being on the right side of the next great shakeup in the college sports -- specifically college football -- landscape. The AAC's next media rights deal will be an interim objective, or an indicator of progress, for this campaign - it is neither the endstate nor a pre-requisite for P6.
Nor do we need to transform into the SEC overnight to achieve the strategic goal: we need to keep the five contract-bowl-conferences from separating from us, while at the same time separating from the other four.

Data for all games (avg per game); conference-controlled (apg); and conference games (apg).
SEC: 199,484,000 (3.2million); 166,916,000 (3.0 million); 138,767,000 (3.55million)
BIG10: 180,615,000 (2.86million); 156,679,000 (3.0million); 130,993,000 (3.27million)
ACC: 139,553,000 (2.4million); 117,703,000 (2.4million); 68,952,000 (2.0 million)
PAC12: 95,254,000 (1.76million); 85,907,000 (1.79million); 61,091,000 (1.65million)
BIG12: 93,660,000(1.7million); 72,583,000 (1.58million); 59,455,000(1.6million)
AAC: 40,675,000(.992million); 21,866,000(.729million); 17,044,000 (.631million)

MWC: 16,031,000(.616million); 7,724,000(.406million); 5,357,000 (.357million)
MAC: 10,467,000(.455million); 3,745,000 (.234million); 3,550,000 (.237million)
SBC: 5,209,000 (.401million); 2,280,000 (.253million); 1,314,000 (.164million)
CUSA:4,519,000 (.251 million); 2,657,000 (.177million); 717,000 (.071 million)

AAC's percentage of SEC: 20.3% (31%); 13.1% (24.3%); 12.2% (17.7%)
AAC's percentage of BIG10: 22.5% (34.6%); 13.9% (24.2%); 13% (19.3%)
AAC's percentage of ACC: 29.1% (41.3%); 18.5% (30.1%); 24.8% (31.6%)
AAC's percentage of PAC12: 42.7% (56.3%); 25.4% (40.7%); 27.8% (38.2%)
AAC's percentages of BIG12: 43.4% (58.3%); 30.1% (46.1%); 28.7% (39.4%)

MWC's percentage of AAC: 39.4% (62%); 35.3 (55.7%); 31.4% (56.6%)
MAC's percentage of AAC: 25.7% (45.8%); 17.1% (32.1%); 20.8% (37.5%)
SBC's percentage of AAC: 12.8% (40.4%); 10.4% (34.7%); 7.7% (26.0%)
CUSA's percentage of AAC: 11.1% (25.3%) 12.2% (17.8%); 4.2% (11.4%)

Great work! Shows how far we are ahead of G5 conferences, but also how far behind we are of P5. I believe American is on the rise and proud UCF is a member.

The methodology makes our comparison to the P5 look worse because P5 have more games on the premiere networks. If a game is put on ABC or Fox OTS, it gets better viewership than if the same game were on ESPN/FS1.

P5 have a lot of games on ABC/CBS/Fox OTA channels which always draw the highest viewership. I think the AAC only had two regular season games on those channels last year.

Same with ESPN...it has more viewers than ESPN 2...which has more viewers than ESPNU & ESPN news, and the P5 have more games on ESPN. AAC sometimes get ESPN, but a lot of our content is on ESPN2 or lower which created lower viewership.


A UCF fan did a detailed analysis of AAC games vs P5 and further divided it into network and timeslot. So, for example, in comparing viewership of AAC games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM Saturday timeslot, they are only compared to P5 games on ESPN 2 in the 7:00/7:30 PM timeslot.

He found that the AAC games on average drew between 40% and 70% of the viewers that P5 games drew in the same timeslot on the same network.

This. This is what I'm talking about.

Yes, our games in the prime timeslots do pretty well.

However, at no point in the near future will the networks put our games in those slots on a regular basis.

Like in upcoming deal negotiations, you have to apply real-world data. We'll be on the tier-2 channels, so we will be valued based on the eyeballs we'd bring in on those channels.

That is why you can't just take viewership, and that's why we're probably not going to get 50% P5 money in this next deal.

Not trying to be a downer, just trying to manage my/our expectations.

ABC won't put our games on, because they (Disney/ABC/ESPN) already have what they consider to be better content available from the other P6 conferences. So, I don't see the contractually required number of ABC games going up if ESPN does get all or part of our new contract.

But NBC easily could. Even on weeks with Notre Dame home games, that game only takes up one of the three game timeslots on a Saturday. Plenty of room to put the top AAC game in one of the other two timeslots. And in the six to seven weeks of the season without a Notre dame home game, the schedule is wide open.

for NBC to buy 20 games for OTA
AAC has to improve & spread out its OOC games