Quote:Looking back over the week, from Brussels to Britain to Helsinki, Trump’s message has been clear, consistent and startling.

NATO is obsolete. European allies have freeloaded off U.S. defense while rolling up huge trade surpluses at our expense. Those days are over. Europeans are going to stop stealing our markets and start paying for their own defense.

And there will be no Cold War II.

http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/trump-calls-off-cold-war-ii

AMERICA UNENCUMBERED

(07-17-2018 12:26 PM)green Wrote:  

Quote:Looking back over the week, from Brussels to Britain to Helsinki, Trump’s message has been clear, consistent and startling.

NATO is obsolete. European allies have freeloaded off U.S. defense while rolling up huge trade surpluses at our expense. Those days are over. Europeans are going to stop stealing our markets and start paying for their own defense.

And there will be no Cold War II.

http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/trump-calls-off-cold-war-ii

AMERICA UNENCUMBERED

Yup. Imagine the terror our European allies must be experiencing when they realized that they'll not only have to defend themselves, but that big ole American nipple is getting pulled out of their mouths.

But, but, just give us 70 years more and we'll be able to do it ourselves.

For as long as Trump is President, the United States is not the enforcer for the Military-Industrial Complex.

And that is why they want Trump gone.

That an historic shift in American foreign policy was announced in Helsinki was drowned out by the press yapping about Putin's Puddle.

(07-17-2018 01:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  That an historic shift in American foreign policy was announced in Helsinki was drowned out by the press yapping about Putin's Puddle.

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The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

But do we have to kiss Putin's a** in the process. The USA owes a lot of debt to the Chinese and the Arabs, But what advantage does the USA have to keep Putin happy.

(07-18-2018 01:28 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

But do we have to kiss Putin's a** in the process. The USA owes a lot of debt to the Chinese and the Arabs, But what advantage does the USA have to keep Putin happy.

I see where you're coming from but with a person like Putin in office he seems to want to go back to a Cold War tension. We don't want that. Maybe it's appeasement for the greater good. This may or may not be a good move by Trump.

I will say when I was younger I thought Buchanan was way off and just a loon but as I get older he is making more sense.

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

XACLY!

(07-18-2018 06:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

XACLY!

(07-18-2018 06:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

XACLY!

Yup.

Alluded to this in other threads.

Especially the “people”. We would, could, and Do have more in common with their people than almost anyone other than the Brits, pols and possibly the frenchies, depending. Maybe a couple other Scandinavian joints, but not so sure there any longer.

They’re a yuge, spread out country, once and likely still, largely agrarian, settlers, rugged folks that have unfortunately been under the thumb of a brutal, Inhumane, counter to freedom of individual liberty system, for a hundred years now.

The “people” can and were great. When left to their own devices.

They were right there on the forefront more in 1870 than they were in 1970.

Why? Wellll. Per Lenin, let’s kill all the educated... it’ll be utopia, 50 million dead later.

Why NOT have good relations with Russia and esp their people? Plenty of their teens and 20’s come over here for summer work and school, they all seem to love and embrace this joint. No one trying to shoot up or bomb anyone last I checked. (Maybe you could stretch it to the svrniav (sp) dickheads if you’d like) but that’s about it.

We have FAAAAAR bigger threats out there than Russia, especially if we can work with them.
Just like we did 75 years ago.

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

Exactly.

They might not ever be our allies, but there's no reason to provoke them either.

Funny how the left wants us to embrace despots like the Castros and Hugo Chavez, but get butt hurt when Trump suggests we try and play nice with Putin & Russia.

It's in our best interests (and the worlds for that matter) to at least try and get along.


And hey, if that fails, we can always ask Hillary to go back to Moscow with her big red reset button......

(07-18-2018 07:34 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 06:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

XACLY!

Yup.

Alluded to this in other threads.

Especially the “people”. We would, could, and Do have more in common with their people than almost anyone other than the Brits, pols and possibly the frenchies, depending. Maybe a couple other Scandinavian joints, but not so sure there any longer.

They’re a yuge, spread out country, once and likely still, largely agrarian, settlers, rugged folks that have unfortunately been under the thumb of a brutal, Inhumane, counter to freedom of individual liberty system, for a hundred years now.

The “people” can and were great. When left to their own devices.

They were right there on the forefront more in 1870 than they were in 1970.

Why? Wellll. Per Lenin, let’s kill all the educated... it’ll be utopia, 50 million dead later.

Why NOT have good relations with Russia and esp their people? Plenty of their teens and 20’s come over here for summer work and school, they all seem to love and embrace this joint. No one trying to shoot up or bomb anyone last I checked. (Maybe you could stretch it to the svrniav (sp) dickheads if you’d like) but that’s about it.

We have FAAAAAR bigger threats out there than Russia, especially if we can work with them.
Just like we did 75 years ago.

XACLY! again....we need them more as an ally than a foe....

ref: Japan and China

this is all about keeping the USD relevant globally and working with existing land mass......

it's scary what could be accomplished with the USD in Russia....

(07-17-2018 08:14 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 01:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  That an historic shift in American foreign policy was announced in Helsinki was drowned out by the press yapping about Putin's Puddle.

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Ah yes, those photos clearly show those Presidents belittling their own intelligence agencies while attacking Americans and deferring to Putin about an attack he directed on our infrastructure. Theyre certainly not a disingenuous string of photos showing normal diplomatic relations implied to mean it’s the same.

Because that would either be intentionally dishonest or a really, really, really dumb thing to argue.

(07-18-2018 01:28 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

But do we have to kiss Putin's a** in the process. The USA owes a lot of debt to the Chinese and the Arabs, But what advantage does the USA have to keep Putin happy.

"The devil you know............." etc, etc. etc...

(07-18-2018 07:36 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 07:34 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 06:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

XACLY!

Yup.

Alluded to this in other threads.

Especially the “people”. We would, could, and Do have more in common with their people than almost anyone other than the Brits, pols and possibly the frenchies, depending. Maybe a couple other Scandinavian joints, but not so sure there any longer.

They’re a yuge, spread out country, once and likely still, largely agrarian, settlers, rugged folks that have unfortunately been under the thumb of a brutal, Inhumane, counter to freedom of individual liberty system, for a hundred years now.

The “people” can and were great. When left to their own devices.

They were right there on the forefront more in 1870 than they were in 1970.

Why? Wellll. Per Lenin, let’s kill all the educated... it’ll be utopia, 50 million dead later.

Why NOT have good relations with Russia and esp their people? Plenty of their teens and 20’s come over here for summer work and school, they all seem to love and embrace this joint. No one trying to shoot up or bomb anyone last I checked. (Maybe you could stretch it to the svrniav (sp) dickheads if you’d like) but that’s about it.

We have FAAAAAR bigger threats out there than Russia, especially if we can work with them.
Just like we did 75 years ago.

XACLY! again....we need them more as an ally than a foe....

ref: Japan and China

this is all about keeping the USD relevant globally and working with existing land mass......

it's scary what could be accomplished with the USD in Russia....

I guess we’re just brushing off the whole “he led a concerted effort to attack our election infrastructure and directed illegal actions against Americans” thing? Or the whole “invaded Crimea, invaded Georgia, and shot down that jet” thing? Oh, and the whole “kills journalists and defectors” thing, too?

This place is crazy town bananapants.

(07-18-2018 07:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:28 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

But do we have to kiss Putin's a** in the process. The USA owes a lot of debt to the Chinese and the Arabs, But what advantage does the USA have to keep Putin happy.

"The devil you know............." etc, etc. etc...

That analogy makes no sense here.

(07-18-2018 01:28 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

But do we have to kiss Putin's a** in the process. The USA owes a lot of debt to the Chinese and the Arabs, But what advantage does the USA have to keep Putin happy.

Stability...

Stability is the name of the game.

(07-18-2018 07:58 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 07:36 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 07:34 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 06:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

XACLY!

Yup.

Alluded to this in other threads.

Especially the “people”. We would, could, and Do have more in common with their people than almost anyone other than the Brits, pols and possibly the frenchies, depending. Maybe a couple other Scandinavian joints, but not so sure there any longer.

They’re a yuge, spread out country, once and likely still, largely agrarian, settlers, rugged folks that have unfortunately been under the thumb of a brutal, Inhumane, counter to freedom of individual liberty system, for a hundred years now.

The “people” can and were great. When left to their own devices.

They were right there on the forefront more in 1870 than they were in 1970.

Why? Wellll. Per Lenin, let’s kill all the educated... it’ll be utopia, 50 million dead later.

Why NOT have good relations with Russia and esp their people? Plenty of their teens and 20’s come over here for summer work and school, they all seem to love and embrace this joint. No one trying to shoot up or bomb anyone last I checked. (Maybe you could stretch it to the svrniav (sp) dickheads if you’d like) but that’s about it.

We have FAAAAAR bigger threats out there than Russia, especially if we can work with them.
Just like we did 75 years ago.

XACLY! again....we need them more as an ally than a foe....

ref: Japan and China

this is all about keeping the USD relevant globally and working with existing land mass......

it's scary what could be accomplished with the USD in Russia....

I guess we’re just brushing off the whole “he led a concerted effort to attack our election infrastructure and directed illegal actions against Americans” thing? Or the whole “invaded Crimea, invaded Georgia, and shot down that jet” thing? Oh, and the whole “kills journalists and defectors” thing, too?

This place is crazy town bananapants.

1) Is a questionable political talking point
2) Is concerning but understandable
3) I do not care and it is not our concern considering its weight against our national interests.

(07-18-2018 07:59 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 07:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 01:28 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(07-17-2018 10:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Russia/America paradigm has hopefully shifted.

There is simply no reason to not get along on some level with Russia. We have no inherent beef with them.

But do we have to kiss Putin's a** in the process. The USA owes a lot of debt to the Chinese and the Arabs, But what advantage does the USA have to keep Putin happy.

"The devil you know............." etc, etc. etc...

That analogy makes no sense here.

It'll come to you, eventually.