(05-30-2018 07:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 02:39 AM)Mav Wrote:  Results in the lab and on the field are what's in a name, not the name itself.

Buffalo tried what seemed to be a slam dunk by rebranding to New York, and that went over like a lead brick.

People are strange.

It was a joke...everyone knows they are not the State's team.

(06-04-2018 12:48 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 09:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  City names are fine as well as unique names like Stanford, Duke, Wake, Notre Dame, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, etc.

Schools that would be better of with a better name
UAB - Birmingham
ULL - Louisiana
UCF - Orlando or should have kept Florida Tech Citronauts. Best name ever
USF - Tampa Bay
UConn - Connecticut
Southern Miss - Mississippi Tech
ECU - Carolina University
App State - Appalachian (unique name should drop the state)
ODU - Shoild go by as Old Dominon. Its a unique name and they should use it
UTSA - San Antonio
Western Michigan - Western University

UConn is such a great name...Better than Storrs Agricultural School....cause that really jumps off the screen....

Us Cuse fans like you to rename yourselves: we threw out the "4>1" suggestion for obvious reasons and went with Storz St.

However I like Storz Hartford Institute of Technology

For FIU, I also was thinking of University of East Florida, but again, I don't think that's much better, other then it might put you guys on a level with the other directional Florida's.

(06-05-2018 04:52 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 08:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  It's bad enough we have the University of Miami (FL) and Miami University (OH). Adding a third FBS school with Miami in the name would only lead to more confusion.

Rename Miami University (OH) to University of Oxford (US).

Rename FIU to Miami State.

Then we can finally drop this parentheses nonsense.

Miami
Miami State
Oxford

Wait if Miami of Ohio (as they always said on the Prudential scoreboard show) has to become Oxford, then Miami (FL) should become University of Coral Gables which then clears the way for FIU to become... MIAMI

(06-05-2018 08:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 08:29 AM)Fish Wrote:  I haven't seen it listed here yet, but there are some FIU fans whole wish to change the university's name to something with "Miami" in it. Many currently make fun of Florida International University, saying that it sounds like an airport. Also, there is confusion with FAU (Florida Atlantic). The university has settled on branding as just "FIU." The problem with changing the name to something with "Miami" in it is that the University of Miami clearly already exists. The top alternative seems to be Miami State University, as FIU is a public state university. I have heard some raise the potential issue that Florida state universities must include "Florida" in the name, but I'm not sure if this is true.

I'm curious to hear what those outside of the university community think of the name FIU and what a good alternative would be, if any.

It's bad enough we have the University of Miami (FL) and Miami University (OH). Adding a third FBS school with Miami in the name would only lead to more confusion.

We should ask DavidSt if Northeastern Oklahoma A&M College is changing its name to Miami, becoming a 4-year school and going D-I.

(06-05-2018 05:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 12:48 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 09:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  City names are fine as well as unique names like Stanford, Duke, Wake, Notre Dame, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, etc.

Schools that would be better of with a better name
UAB - Birmingham
ULL - Louisiana
UCF - Orlando or should have kept Florida Tech Citronauts. Best name ever
USF - Tampa Bay
UConn - Connecticut
Southern Miss - Mississippi Tech
ECU - Carolina University
App State - Appalachian (unique name should drop the state)
ODU - Shoild go by as Old Dominon. Its a unique name and they should use it
UTSA - San Antonio
Western Michigan - Western University

UConn is such a great name...Better than Storrs Agricultural School....cause that really jumps off the screen....

Us Cuse fans like you to rename yourselves: we threw out the "4>1" suggestion for obvious reasons and went with Storz St.

However I like Storz Hartford Institute of Technology

We already are LOUISIANA. And, instead of ULL, we use LA.

(06-04-2018 02:50 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 01:36 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(06-03-2018 10:39 PM)puck swami Wrote:  Metropolitan State University of Denver ---> Denver State University
but University of Denver has a problem with it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolit...ontroversy



The main reason that the University of Denver (DI) objected to Metro State University becoming Denver State is because there is already another DII school with Denver in the name, the University of Colorado-Denver. Having three city named schools is confusing, citing the challenges in San Diego, with San Diego State University (SDSU), University of San Diego (USD) and University of California, San Diego (UCSD).

SDSU (DI) - San Diego State University
-- Marketed as San Diego State University
--- Not marketed as CSU San Diego...

USD (DI) - University of San Diego
-- Marketed as University of San Diego...

UCSD (DI 2024) - University of CA San Diego
-- Marketed as UC San Diego

Each institution embraces the San Diego name in their marketing campaigns...none objected to the other in their use of San Diego in their institutional names..USD does not object to SDSU's use of San Diego in their name...all of these institutions are DI universities (UCSD 2024)...their branding philosophy is to market nationally...

“UC San Diego” not “UCSD”
Using UC San Diego in place of the UCSD acronym better identifies our campus both locally and nationally. There’s confusion among San Diego higher education institutions because of similar acronyms—UCSD, USD, and SDSU—which we eliminate by using UC San Diego. Additionally, this naming convention is consistent with other campuses in the University of California system, such as UC Irvine, UC Riverside, UC Santa Barbara, UC Davis, and so on.
https://ucpa.ucsd.edu/brand/story/use-of...sity-name/

"A school is known to the world by its name, and the university knows how important that is."
http://triton.news/2017/11/4225/

And for a few years, the San Diego Union-Tribune was marketing itself as UT San Diego, making it sound like Texas or Tennessee had decided to go out of state for their next branch.

San Diego, Texas
ZIP code: 78384
Area code(s): 361
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego,_Texas

university of texas san diego
UT San Diego

it can happen...

I'd rather see a Jacksonville State outside Florida...err, never mind.

(05-29-2018 08:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  We've seen a rebranding elevate programs like Texas St, Missouri St, and others but I wonder what others might be more successful (or would have been more successful) under a different name?

In most cases, U of is the most prominent, followed by State. Tech seems fairly well regarded as well. Directionals and City names seem to be frowned upon.

Cincinnati---Ohio Tech
UC Davis---(U of) California A&M
Central Connecticut St---Connecticut St
Northern Arizona--Arizona Tech

What others are there out there?

I love the way that article in the Triton about the branding change. They are fighting an uphill battle against even the Triton editor, who keeps falling back into UCSD. Pretty much everyone here likes the initial name.

I think the initials are preferred by students and most Californians because there are multiple schools in the city, and because we have been calling it UCSD for 50 years at least. It's also easier on cheerleaders who chant "U-C-S-D", just as they do "S-J-S-U" at my old school (we have an alternate chant of right side stands "San" and left side "Jose"). U-C-San Diego wont chant as well.

Anyway good luck with the branding of "UC San Diego" as it says on the website banner at UCSD.edu

just noticed the bookstore is at least on the new branding: https://ucsandiegobookstore.com/
Apparel is all over the map on name. Rebranding is clearly a work in progress

I would stick with UCSD given that both the University of San Diego and San Diego State University are already Division I. The goal would be for UCSD to be thought of in the same light as UCLA. Academically UCSD is closer to UCLA than say, UNLV or UTEP, two schools who have quite strong brands using four initials.

(06-17-2018 07:14 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  I would stick with UCSD given that both the University of San Diego and San Diego State University are already Division I. The goal would be for UCSD to be thought of in the same light as UCLA. Academically UCSD is closer to UCLA than say, UNLV or UTEP, two schools who have quite strong brands using four initials.

The branding is a huge issue for all three San Diego schools.

I'm from Ohio, and I got a job at SDSU three years ago. Other than people from California, I've had to explain to almost everyone (academics included) that there's three schools in San Diego and I was at the middle-ranked one.

Even a lot of academics outside CA haven't heard of UCSD, because a lot of their departments are really small. It's so geographically remote and there's so few faculty members that even though a UCSD prof in my field has a Nobel Prize, people don't recognize the school's name (or they confuse it with USD or SDSU).

(06-06-2018 01:18 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 05:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 12:48 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 09:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  City names are fine as well as unique names like Stanford, Duke, Wake, Notre Dame, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, etc.

Schools that would be better of with a better name
UAB - Birmingham
ULL - Louisiana
UCF - Orlando or should have kept Florida Tech Citronauts. Best name ever
USF - Tampa Bay
UConn - Connecticut
Southern Miss - Mississippi Tech
ECU - Carolina University
App State - Appalachian (unique name should drop the state)
ODU - Shoild go by as Old Dominon. Its a unique name and they should use it
UTSA - San Antonio
Western Michigan - Western University

UConn is such a great name...Better than Storrs Agricultural School....cause that really jumps off the screen....

Us Cuse fans like you to rename yourselves: we threw out the "4>1" suggestion for obvious reasons and went with Storz St.

However I like Storz Hartford Institute of Technology

We already are LOUISIANA. And, instead of ULL, we use LA.

LA in caps is Los Angeles. La is Louisiana.

(06-17-2018 04:30 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 01:18 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 05:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 12:48 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 09:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  City names are fine as well as unique names like Stanford, Duke, Wake, Notre Dame, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, etc.

Schools that would be better of with a better name
UAB - Birmingham
ULL - Louisiana
UCF - Orlando or should have kept Florida Tech Citronauts. Best name ever
USF - Tampa Bay
UConn - Connecticut
Southern Miss - Mississippi Tech
ECU - Carolina University
App State - Appalachian (unique name should drop the state)
ODU - Shoild go by as Old Dominon. Its a unique name and they should use it
UTSA - San Antonio
Western Michigan - Western University

UConn is such a great name...Better than Storrs Agricultural School....cause that really jumps off the screen....

Us Cuse fans like you to rename yourselves: we threw out the "4>1" suggestion for obvious reasons and went with Storz St.

However I like Storz Hartford Institute of Technology

We already are LOUISIANA. And, instead of ULL, we use LA.

LA in caps is Los Angeles. La is Louisiana.

LA in caps is the official 2-letter Postal abbreviation for Louisiana.

(06-17-2018 03:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 07:14 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  I would stick with UCSD given that both the University of San Diego and San Diego State University are already Division I. The goal would be for UCSD to be thought of in the same light as UCLA. Academically UCSD is closer to UCLA than say, UNLV or UTEP, two schools who have quite strong brands using four initials.

The branding is a huge issue for all three San Diego schools.

I'm from Ohio, and I got a job at SDSU three years ago. Other than people from California, I've had to explain to almost everyone (academics included) that there's three schools in San Diego and I was at the middle-ranked one.

Even a lot of academics outside CA haven't heard of UCSD, because a lot of their departments are really small. It's so geographically remote and there's so few faculty members that even though a UCSD prof in my field has a Nobel Prize, people don't recognize the school's name (or they confuse it with USD or SDSU).

That's insane.

Here is the full list of public schools in the US that are tied with or ranked higher than UC San Diego in US News, ARWU, or Times Higher Education:

UC Berkeley
UCLA
Virginia
Michigan
North Carolina
William and Mary
Georgia Tech
UC Santa Barbara
UC Irvine
Florida
Washington

And here is the full list of public schools in the US that are ranked higher than UC San Diego in all 3 of the above named ranking services:

UC Berkeley
UCLA

That's amazing company to keep! UC San Diego is ridiculously elite. People should know about it.

When I was at the Natioral Collegiate Honors Conference back in 1999, I had someone ask me if the University of Alabama was in Birmingham.

(06-17-2018 04:45 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 04:30 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 01:18 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 05:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 12:48 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  UConn is such a great name...Better than Storrs Agricultural School....cause that really jumps off the screen....

Us Cuse fans like you to rename yourselves: we threw out the "4>1" suggestion for obvious reasons and went with Storz St.

However I like Storz Hartford Institute of Technology

We already are LOUISIANA. And, instead of ULL, we use LA.

LA in caps is Los Angeles. La is Louisiana.

LA in caps is the official 2-letter Postal abbreviation for Louisiana.

I've been to Louisiana interesting place...


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(06-17-2018 10:47 PM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 03:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 07:14 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  I would stick with UCSD given that both the University of San Diego and San Diego State University are already Division I. The goal would be for UCSD to be thought of in the same light as UCLA. Academically UCSD is closer to UCLA than say, UNLV or UTEP, two schools who have quite strong brands using four initials.

The branding is a huge issue for all three San Diego schools.

I'm from Ohio, and I got a job at SDSU three years ago. Other than people from California, I've had to explain to almost everyone (academics included) that there's three schools in San Diego and I was at the middle-ranked one.

Even a lot of academics outside CA haven't heard of UCSD, because a lot of their departments are really small. It's so geographically remote and there's so few faculty members that even though a UCSD prof in my field has a Nobel Prize, people don't recognize the school's name (or they confuse it with USD or SDSU).

That's insane.

Here is the full list of public schools in the US that are tied with or ranked higher than UC San Diego in US News, ARWU, or Times Higher Education:

UC Berkeley
UCLA
Virginia
Michigan
North Carolina
William and Mary
Georgia Tech
UC Santa Barbara
UC Irvine
Florida
Washington

And here is the full list of public schools in the US that are ranked higher than UC San Diego in all 3 of the above named ranking services:

UC Berkeley
UCLA

That's amazing company to keep! UC San Diego is ridiculously elite. People should know about it.

I agree. It's a big disconnect. It's 100% the fault of their branding/marketing.

It would be a lot easier if they were the only school with "San Diego" in their name.

It would be a lot easier if they had an athletic program on par with their size and stature. Other schools such as Emory, Washington University, and Case Western (my alma matter) face the same problem.

It would be a lot easier if they were an older school with a national alumni base (but instead, a good portion of their graduates go overseas - they have the same number of alumni clubs in Asia (7) as they do East of the Sierra Nevadas).

(06-05-2018 04:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 07:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 02:39 AM)Mav Wrote:  Results in the lab and on the field are what's in a name, not the name itself.

Buffalo tried what seemed to be a slam dunk by rebranding to New York, and that went over like a lead brick.

People are strange.

It was a joke...everyone knows they are not the State's team.

That was Danny White's bright idea when he was AD, same as his bright idea to say UCF are national champs.

The community wasnt behind the rebrand. Surveys showed they wanted branding to remain UB/Buffalo. It makes sense as Buffalo is arguably the 3rd most recognizable place name in NYS after NYC and Niagara Falls, due to the Bills/Sabres/negative weather reputation.

Now UB athletics uses the line "New York's Public Powerhouse".

Once, UB was offered cash to rebrand to New York State University, but it went nowhere. If it had happened, the name fits the profile of UB best. Albany could be University of New York. Beyond that any "Tech" isnt availble as private NYIT and the small SUNYIT already exist. Nor would there be an "A&M" as Cornell holds the land grant. Otherwise, UB as NY State, Albany as U. of New York, Stony Brook as NY Tech, and Binghamton as NY A&M, would be a beautiful, compromise, 4 Suny flagships system.

I have to totally disagree with anyone who says the "University of California" or "UC" brand is anything but massively successful. The imaage and reality of an elite set of public institutions is internationally recognized. If you look at the HERD metrics it's unquestioned:

Research R&D
School (National Rank)
UC San Francisco (4)
UC San Diego (7)
UC Los Angeles (12)
UC Berkeley (26)
UC Davis (27)
Scripps Institute (61)
UC Irvine (67)

Doctorates Earned
UC Berkeley (4)
UC Los Angeles (10)
UC San Diego (20)
UC Davis (23)
UC Irvine (44)
UC Santa Barbara (52)
UC Riverside (82)
UC Santa Cruz (106)
UC San Francisco (128)

Fed Obligations (Grants)
UC San Francisco (5)
UC Los Angeles (9)
UC San Diego (23)
UC Berkeley (27)
Scripps Institute (46)
UC Irvine (50)
UC Santa Barbara (80)
UC Riverside (99)

The admission standards are higher than any other public University (well UW is up there, but the UC system is more restrictive than the likes of Michigan and Virginia), and the graduation rates are also higher than other elite public systems. These public metrics match numbers of the entire P12, B1G and Ivy League. The number of top 25 and top 50 rankings is incredible. The brand name of UC carries huge prestige.

As for any academic who has not heard of UCSD, well they are simply not paying much attention.

(Note, this very over the top, near Ivy League elite admission standards is precisely my criticism of the California higher education system, it limits access far too much, and does not offer the next tier of students, who would easily get into flagships and majors they want with 70% graduation rates expected in 45 other states, quality next tier schools)