WKU struggling to keep up, yeah, for sure.

(06-13-2018 01:41 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote:  It's sad. But I guess when we have double the championships then the second closest school we are doing the most with the least.

If you look at the article the 2017-18 season was not good for you guys as far as championships go. The author seems to be insinuating that this is the start of a downward trend.

(06-13-2018 05:28 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 01:41 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote:  It's sad. But I guess when we have double the championships then the second closest school we are doing the most with the least.

If you look at the article the 2017-18 season was not good for you guys as far as championships go. The author seems to be insinuating that this is the start of a downward trend.

I'm going to be honest....

as long as basketball and football is at or close to the top I don't care about those other sports. Now being completely honest. I sometimes flaunt those championships to make a point

But the main two sports is what I care about

FACTS are absolutely necessary---but trends can be forecast based on past facts seen over hundreds of schools and decades of time.These are evidenced in many real past college athletic department examples which can not be ignored.

(06-13-2018 06:03 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FACTS are absolutely necessary---but trends can be forecast based on past facts seen over hundreds of schools and decades of time.These are evidenced in many real past college athletic department examples which can not be ignored.

If it continues to be cut then worry but a lot of these budgets are only paper money. No I dont mean greenbacks. There's a lot of the AD department with a line in the budget. Like the for 6+ million for scholarships but no money switches hands. Soft money.

Then some schools list money different on budgets, like one time donations. Western does not do that. That's how Ark St's budget went up 10 million in one year. Naming rights to their stadium and arena. With the football stadium being a state building the money Houchen's pays Western goes into the general funds. Same goes for the US Bank entrance to Diddle.

The biggest cuts will always go to the Olympic Sports. So while I'm down playing the cut, somewhat. It really isn't going to affect basketball or football. At least not this cut. The one factor I would be worrying about is if a spot opened in the AAC then perception and a budget cut might play a larger role. I personally just dont think its going to matter in CUSA. Maybe a few less championships in Olympic Sports

(06-13-2018 03:19 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  It DOES matter because over time (3-6 years) things will start to decline slowly.The erosion of inflation,salaries,maintenance--not to mention other schools increasing their budgets.You could wake up in 2022 and be in a bad spot.Then it will take a lot of money to dig out of that hole and recapture lost successful athletic momentum.

Exactly.

In 2008, North Texas has bad athletic leadership, and we were playing FBS football on the cheap. We paid a highs school coach about $275,000 a year. We had one of the worst football stadiums in the nation. And, we had an annual athletic budget of only $16 million. Our competitive advantage in the Sun Belt was gone, and no one cared that we had won 26 straight conference games and appeared in the first 4 New Orleans bowls. We had not invested in our athletics and our once proud team finished 1-11 that season (oddly, our only win that season came at WKU).

In less then a decade, North Texas has more then doubled our athletic budget (over $34 million), and built a new stadium, and been to 3 bowls in our 5 seasons in C-USA. We won our division last season, and expect to contend for it again this year. This season our basketball got back on track (won 20 games and the CBI Tournament) and we are winning a fair portion of championships in the Olympic sports. Lack of money put us at a bad disadvantage, and smart investment of fund has placed us back in a good position.

I don't want any C-USA program to fall behind like we did a decade ago. That would be bad for the whole conference. In every conference there are bigger spenders, and that is fine as long as all parties are within a few million dollars of each other. Some might laugh at this but I believe within the next 10 years some of our universities could have athletic budgets close to $50 million a year, and quite a few in the $40 million range. I can't see how any program might hope to remain competitive on the field, in facilities, and amenities with a budget of close to $20 million less then most.

(06-13-2018 01:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I've said it over and over that Western was on the bubble and it was getting ready to pop when it comes to the budget. Western isn't alone with the bubble popping or one thing popping for a few others.

Marshall is another one of the schools because like Western they are in a poor state and don't have the enrollment numbers to overcome a huge hit from the state government. I hope that day never comes for Marshall but it's very possible it will at some point. There's others in CUSA in the same boat.

All true ^^^^^^

clt says coastal would be a welcome addition

Keep football, m&w basketball, volleyball, women's swimming and diving and women's soccer. Cut everything else. Unfortunately, that means we'll never get an invite to the Sun Belt, on account of no baseball

(06-13-2018 09:04 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 01:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I've said it over and over that Western was on the bubble and it was getting ready to pop when it comes to the budget. Western isn't alone with the bubble popping or one thing popping for a few others.

Marshall is another one of the schools because like Western they are in a poor state and don't have the enrollment numbers to overcome a huge hit from the state government. I hope that day never comes for Marshall but it's very possible it will at some point. There's others in CUSA in the same boat.

All true ^^^^^^

Fanbase is responsible for a large portion of our budget. We don't rely too heavily on the state or on the students for athletics. As long as we are staying competitive we'll have the fans. Seasons like the last couple and the Snyder years are where we have to worry about the budget popping. I think changes in staff and players for this season in football and a strong basketball presence will help us maintain a healthy gate and a healthy budget.

(06-14-2018 09:19 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  Keep football, m&w basketball, volleyball, women's swimming and diving and women's soccer. Cut everything else. Unfortunately, that means we'll never get an invite to the Sun Belt, on account of no baseball

The NCAA has a minimum on the number of sports you must play to be D1....

the above will not cut it

Someone tell Stansbury about the Athletic Department's struggles....dropping major mags on the recruiting trail.

(06-14-2018 09:34 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:19 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  Keep football, m&w basketball, volleyball, women's swimming and diving and women's soccer. Cut everything else. Unfortunately, that means we'll never get an invite to the Sun Belt, on account of no baseball

The NCAA has a minimum on the number of sports you must play to be D1....

the above will not cut it

Well dang

(06-13-2018 05:09 PM)odu09 Wrote:  WKU struggling to keep up, yeah, for sure.

That's what I am saying, but this particular beat writer wants to write for his favorite team UK, so I guess he thinks by pointing out how small time WKU is he can go to the big time...I don't understand beat writers who constantly belittle where they are and think this attitude will lead to where they want to be....

(06-13-2018 05:28 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 01:41 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote:  It's sad. But I guess when we have double the championships then the second closest school we are doing the most with the least.

If you look at the article the 2017-18 season was not good for you guys as far as championships go. The author seems to be insinuating that this is the start of a downward trend.

Football yes, men's basketball no, so try again....

(06-13-2018 07:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 06:03 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FACTS are absolutely necessary---but trends can be forecast based on past facts seen over hundreds of schools and decades of time.These are evidenced in many real past college athletic department examples which can not be ignored.

If it continues to be cut then worry but a lot of these budgets are only paper money. No I dont mean greenbacks. There's a lot of the AD department with a line in the budget. Like the for 6+ million for scholarships but no money switches hands. Soft money.

Then some schools list money different on budgets, like one time donations. Western does not do that. That's how Ark St's budget went up 10 million in one year. Naming rights to their stadium and arena. With the football stadium being a state building the money Houchen's pays Western goes into the general funds. Same goes for the US Bank entrance to Diddle.

The biggest cuts will always go to the Olympic Sports. So while I'm down playing the cut, somewhat. It really isn't going to affect basketball or football. At least not this cut. The one factor I would be worrying about is if a spot opened in the AAC then perception and a budget cut might play a larger role. I personally just dont think its going to matter in CUSA. Maybe a few less championships in Olympic Sports

Wow what day is today? We actually agree on something....

(06-13-2018 05:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 05:28 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 01:41 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote:  It's sad. But I guess when we have double the championships then the second closest school we are doing the most with the least.

If you look at the article the 2017-18 season was not good for you guys as far as championships go. The author seems to be insinuating that this is the start of a downward trend.

I'm going to be honest....

as long as basketball and football is at or close to the top I don't care about those other sports. Now being completely honest. I sometimes flaunt those championships to make a point

But the main two sports is what I care about

Me too. Those other sports championship are meaningless as far increasing brand value and perception. Baseball (USM,Rice) and Womens basketball can add value at a high level, WKU had perennial Top 10 womens team along with Tech at one point but that has faded.

I think you'd see Marshall take drastic measures before they'd let anything happen to fb or mbb. I think that if everything goes wrong that could, Marshall would:

1. Drop all other men's sports
2. Keep only enough women's sport to remain Title IX compliant
3. Explore ways to regionalize

(06-14-2018 10:25 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 05:28 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 01:41 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote:  It's sad. But I guess when we have double the championships then the second closest school we are doing the most with the least.

If you look at the article the 2017-18 season was not good for you guys as far as championships go. The author seems to be insinuating that this is the start of a downward trend.

Football yes, men's basketball no, so try again....

Tightening the purse strings could increase the likelihood of Stans not hanging around long.

(06-14-2018 02:35 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I think you'd see Marshall take drastic measures before they'd let anything happen to fb or mbb. I think that if everything goes wrong that could, Marshall would:

1. Drop all other men's sports
2. Keep only enough women's sport to remain Title IX compliant
3. Explore ways to regionalize

Division 1 requires a minimum sponsorship of seven men's sports and seven women's sports.