Cracks are forming in the Pac-12: Will they be patched before it's too late?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-too-late/

Would this open the door for Colorado & Utah to the Big 12???

Quote:The beginning of one of the biggest Pac-12 football games of last season was preempted by a NASCAR truck race. When it became apparent the Lucas Oil 150 was going to run long, FS1 delayed the Stanford-Washington game by 15 minutes to 10:45 p.m. ET.

It wasn't enough of a delay. Even though the game was shifted to little-seen FS2 and the Fox Sports app, thanks to the trucks -- and Fox's commitment to them -- most viewers :nutkick:missed the entire first quarter.

For trucks.

You could shed WSU, OSU, Baylor (scandals), and WVU (geography) and form a nice 18 team league with CU rejoining the BXII division.

(05-16-2018 01:08 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  Cracks are forming in the Pac-12: Will they be patched before it's too late?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-too-late/

Would this open the door for Colorado & Utah to the Big 12???

I'd bet Colorado would be sending roses and chocolates to their old friend Nebraska trying to butter them up to putting a "good word" in with the B1G.

The logical order of business (hahahaha college athletics and logic) would be some form of Pac-12/Big XII merger.

I think what makes a crap ton more sense if you view it through the lens of a college president is a partial merger with the Big 10. Philosophically more aligned. Makes more sense to put 26 schools under one administrative blanket, can most of the Pac-12 staff. Build in some non-conference games on top of the conference slate, maybe a sport or two compete under one umbrella like women's lacrosse and men's rowing.

I assume that if you are going to call for the dispersal of the Pac 12 that the Big 12 and Big Ten would be the raiding conferences. The Big Ten would be looking at AAUs only so that limits them to the 4 CA schools, Ariz, Colorado, UO, and UW.

The Big 12 could have their pick of anyone left over.

(05-16-2018 02:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The logical order of business (hahahaha college athletics and logic) would be some form of Pac-12/Big XII merger.

I think what makes a crap ton more sense if you view it through the lens of a college president is a partial merger with the Big 10. Philosophically more aligned. Makes more sense to put 26 schools under one administrative blanket, can most of the Pac-12 staff. Build in some non-conference games on top of the conference slate, maybe a sport or two compete under one umbrella like women's lacrosse and men's rowing.

To keep things tidy you would need to have 9 of 12 Pac 12 schools on board and 8 of 10 Big 12 schools. Somewhere you have to find a happy home for that 17th school that would have to vote in favor of dissolving but be content with being left out of the merger. If WVU could get the ACC to take them they might be inclined to be that school.

B-12 going east,
if B-12 can't draw in ACC, they will look at AAC

(05-16-2018 02:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The logical order of business (hahahaha college athletics and logic) would be some form of Pac-12/Big XII merger.

I think what makes a crap ton more sense if you view it through the lens of a college president is a partial merger with the Big 10. Philosophically more aligned. Makes more sense to put 26 schools under one administrative blanket, can most of the Pac-12 staff. Build in some non-conference games on top of the conference slate, maybe a sport or two compete under one umbrella like women's lacrosse and men's rowing.

Or the 4 California schools, UW and CU to the Big 10 X 2.
W-USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, UW
C-CU, NU, IA, WI, MN
E-PSU, RU, MD, IU, PU
N-tosu, UM, MSU, IL, NW

(05-16-2018 07:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 02:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The logical order of business (hahahaha college athletics and logic) would be some form of Pac-12/Big XII merger.

I think what makes a crap ton more sense if you view it through the lens of a college president is a partial merger with the Big 10. Philosophically more aligned. Makes more sense to put 26 schools under one administrative blanket, can most of the Pac-12 staff. Build in some non-conference games on top of the conference slate, maybe a sport or two compete under one umbrella like women's lacrosse and men's rowing.

Or the 4 California schools, UW and CU to the Big 10 X 2.
W-USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, UW
C-CU, NU, IA, WI, MN
E-PSU, RU, MD, IU, PU
N-tosu, UM, MSU, IL, NW

Maybe just a shift Eastward would work.

Colorado and Kansas to the Big 10.

Big 10:

Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue

Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers

Now your conference playoffs would likely feature annual pairings of Nebraska/Iowa, Michigan/Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State/Penn State
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Big 12 adds Arizona, Arizona State, California, Oregon, Stanford, U.C.L.A., U.S.C., Utah, Washington to go to 16.

Big 12:

California, Oregon, Stanford, Washington

Arizona, Arizona State, U.C.L.A., U.S.C.

Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah


Now their conference playoffs will likely yield these pairings:
Stanford/Washington/Oregon, U.S.C./U.C.L.A., Oklahoma/O.S.U./K.S.U., Texas/Utah.
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The SEC adds T.C.U. and West Virginia.


SEC:

Arkansas, Missouri, T.C.U., Texas A&M

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia


Now the SEC's championship pairings likely look like this:

T.C.U./Texas A&M, Alabama/L.S.U., Auburn/Florida/Georgia/South Carolina (pick em). Tennessee/West Virginia
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ACC adds Notre Dame in full and gives UConn the inclusion they've been hoping for.

ACC:

Boston College, Connecticut, Notre Dame, Syracuse

Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami

This will yield pairings like this:

Notre Dame/Syracuse, Louisville/Va Tech, North Carolina/N.C. State, Clemson/Florida State/Miami

Now that's particularly important for keeping all areas of the ACC engaged until the end of the football season which by keeping it regional keeps everyone attending and watching deep into the season.
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This kind of alignment gives the Big 12/PAC schools the size of a market needed for a strong conference network and the branding they need to keep their content value up.

The Big 10 picks up Denver as a market and gets to adopt the birthplace of college basketball as part of their heritage.

The SEC gets into DFW and adds a school that has a slither of the beltway. Both are competitive in most sports already.

The ACC gets a bigger slice of New England and picks up a true blue blood who will now have a reasonably easy access to the conference football semi finals every year.
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Now we have a P4 that is more balanced in terms of brand and content and earning power and which are competitively a bit more balanced.

If I was the B12 I would strike now. I would reach out to Arizona, Arizona St., Utah and Colorado. Then I would bring in San Diego St and Fresno. A 16 team conference that covers Texas and California. Then I would watch the elitist universities that tried to destroy my conference swallow their pride and ask to join the B10 or dry up like rotting pumpkins in an early winter field.

Why the Pac-12 is probably in better shape than you think
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...ecord-2018

I see a new conference being formed that takes the best schools from the Big 12 and Pac 12 and merges them into a new 12-team conference.

This is who will make the cut: Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Arizona in the east and Oregon, Washington, UCLA, USC, Cal, and Stanford in the west.

Yes, Arizona State, Washington State, Oregon State, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech miss the cut.

(05-17-2018 08:05 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I see a new conference being formed that takes the best schools from the Big 12 and Pac 12 and merges them into a new 12-team conference.

This is who will make the cut: Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Arizona in the east and Oregon, Washington, UCLA, USC, Cal, and Stanford in the west.

Yes, Arizona State, Washington State, Oregon State, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech miss the cut.

PAC 12 goes to PAC 16.
Arizona State
Washington State
Oregon State
TCU
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Boise State
BYU
New Mexico
Colorado State
Kansas State
Iowa State

Baylor goes to the MWC and West Virginia goes back to the AAC.

(05-17-2018 08:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:05 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I see a new conference being formed that takes the best schools from the Big 12 and Pac 12 and merges them into a new 12-team conference.

This is who will make the cut: Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Arizona in the east and Oregon, Washington, UCLA, USC, Cal, and Stanford in the west.

Yes, Arizona State, Washington State, Oregon State, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech miss the cut.

PAC 12 goes to PAC 16.
Arizona State
Washington State
Oregon State
TCU
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Boise State
BYU
New Mexico
Colorado State
Kansas State
Iowa State

Baylor goes to the MWC and West Virginia goes back to the AAC.

If this 12-school conference occurred:

West: Washington, Oregon, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
East: Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas

Then I could see this:

West: Washington St, Oregon St, San Diego St, Boise St, Arizona St, BYU, Colorado St
East: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Iowa St

Then finally this:

Hawaii, Fresno St, San Jose St, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP

(05-17-2018 08:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 08:05 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I see a new conference being formed that takes the best schools from the Big 12 and Pac 12 and merges them into a new 12-team conference.

This is who will make the cut: Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Arizona in the east and Oregon, Washington, UCLA, USC, Cal, and Stanford in the west.

Yes, Arizona State, Washington State, Oregon State, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech miss the cut.

PAC 12 goes to PAC 16.
Arizona State
Washington State
Oregon State
TCU
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Boise State
BYU
New Mexico
Colorado State
Kansas State
Iowa State

Baylor goes to the MWC and West Virginia goes back to the AAC.

WVU was never in the AAC. They would never voluntarily associate themselves with the conference.

I would not read this as suggesting the P12 is about to break up. It's more likely saying that the P12 needs to do something dramatic to keep up with the Joneses (i.e., the B1G and the SEC). I continue to believe that they are likely to be the predators, with the B12 as their targets. The P12 and B12 have TV contracts coming up in the same window (2024 +/-). The B12 has its own well documented fractures. Bringing in some Central Time Zone, name brand, and big population state (i.e., Texas) schools would solve a lot of problems for the P12. They've known this for a long time, as evidenced by their effort to go to 16 back in the 2010-2011 time frame.

Please, they would change the leadership in the conference before breaking up. The Pac-12 isn't in jeopardy of being booted from the club. The B1G is in an even bigger title drought in basketball yet they are never NOT considered one of the best conferences every year. The Pac was rolling while the ACC stunk, now the ACC has picked it up and the Pac fell off. These things happen. They will get going again and some other conference will fall on hard times.

(05-17-2018 10:29 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I would not read this as suggesting the P12 is about to break up. It's more likely saying that the P12 needs to do something dramatic to keep up with the Joneses (i.e., the B1G and the SEC). I continue to believe that they are likely to be the predators, with the B12 as their targets. The P12 and B12 have TV contracts coming up in the same window (2024 +/-). The B12 has its own well documented fractures. Bringing in some Central Time Zone, name brand, and big population state (i.e., Texas) schools would solve a lot of problems for the P12. They've known this for a long time, as evidenced by their effort to go to 16 back in the 2010-2011 time frame.

I agree, and by bringing in 4 new schools they can open up their contract for a renegotiation to iron out issues like the Truck race embarrassment.

Texas, Tech, OU and KU as the targets to get to 16.

Here is Wilner's (who I think is a great wealth of info for Pac 12 related items) response to Dodd's story.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/17/s...ssion=true

"The Hotline’s view is as follows: It’s not a crisis yet, but that point is fast approaching."

Maybe it's just me but that's a eye opening / surprisingly honest response.

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(05-17-2018 11:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 10:29 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I would not read this as suggesting the P12 is about to break up. It's more likely saying that the P12 needs to do something dramatic to keep up with the Joneses (i.e., the B1G and the SEC). I continue to believe that they are likely to be the predators, with the B12 as their targets. The P12 and B12 have TV contracts coming up in the same window (2024 +/-). The B12 has its own well documented fractures. Bringing in some Central Time Zone, name brand, and big population state (i.e., Texas) schools would solve a lot of problems for the P12. They've known this for a long time, as evidenced by their effort to go to 16 back in the 2010-2011 time frame.

I agree, and by bringing in 4 new schools they can open up their contract for a renegotiation to iron out issues like the Truck race embarrassment.

Texas, Tech, OU and KU as the targets to get to 16.

If the Pac-12 could pull that off (which I doubt), it would fix a great many of their problems... AND help to stabilize college football as a whole, IMO.