(04-30-2018 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Just watched the presentation. I now know how people during the Cuban Missile Crisis probably felt after watching the US ambassador lay out the case against Cuba and Russia at the UN. Really eye opening how much classified information Israel was wiling to reveal in order to explain to the world what is happening in Iran. That tells me we are in the very final stages of Israeli patience. If we dont make a move soon, they will.
Good.
Let them move on their own intelligence instead of asking us to do it for them.
Exactly. Israel found this info, Israel is reporting on it, let Israel handle it.
(04-30-2018 03:49 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: Bibi loves to engage our war machine for his benefit in the Middle East. He is just providing cover for Trump.
I mean yeah, it isn't like Iran is largest sponsor of Terrorism or anything like that. They spend a gazillion $ sponsoring terrorism. One reason there have mass protests by Iranian citizens for 6 months, and they arrest them no due process, kill some of them also.
CIA and defense contractors engage the USA war machine a hell of a lot more than Israel.
Netanyahu is a "ends justifies the means" kind of guy. He is a liar.
Jew hater. Everyone knows it is the the USA/UK/France/Saudis vs. Russia, Iran and sock puppet Assad.
(04-30-2018 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Just watched the presentation. I now know how people during the Cuban Missile Crisis probably felt after watching the US ambassador lay out the case against Cuba and Russia at the UN. Really eye opening how much classified information Israel was wiling to reveal in order to explain to the world what is happening in Iran. That tells me we are in the very final stages of Israeli patience. If we dont make a move soon, they will.
Good.
Let them move on their own intelligence instead of asking us to do it for them.
Exactly. Israel found this info, Israel is reporting on it, let Israel handle it.
yeah let our intelligence agencies stay focused on baton rouge whores and overthrowing our president while the world burns...the democrat way
(04-30-2018 03:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: scrapping this deal will allow Iran to begin immediately producing nukes.
Not disputing anything else anyone has said (because I haven't had time to read it....
but this line really stuck out to me.
Exactly 'what' is 'not allowing' Iran to do that now? They were under Embargo for decades and all but came to war. The only thing stopping them or allowing them is their decision based on their own desires or concerns, and not some 'agreement'.
(04-30-2018 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Just watched the presentation. I now know how people during the Cuban Missile Crisis probably felt after watching the US ambassador lay out the case against Cuba and Russia at the UN. Really eye opening how much classified information Israel was wiling to reveal in order to explain to the world what is happening in Iran. That tells me we are in the very final stages of Israeli patience. If we dont make a move soon, they will.
Good.
Let them move on their own intelligence instead of asking us to do it for them.
First time I've ever agreed with you. I hope Bibi turns Iran into a parking lot.
(04-30-2018 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Just watched the presentation. I now know how people during the Cuban Missile Crisis probably felt after watching the US ambassador lay out the case against Cuba and Russia at the UN. Really eye opening how much classified information Israel was wiling to reveal in order to explain to the world what is happening in Iran. That tells me we are in the very final stages of Israeli patience. If we dont make a move soon, they will.
Good.
Let them move on their own intelligence instead of asking us to do it for them.
Who do you think has been stopping them? They'd happily do it if we would simply have their back when its done (just like when "Iranian" jets took out the Iraqi nuclear facility).
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(04-30-2018 03:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Pretty funny...and sad...a British comedian is more informed on the Iran deal than our president.
Pretty sad and telling that you get your news from a comedian.
Thought you were better than that Tom. I know you're smarter than that. You put together some pretty good arguments and thoughts out there.
And pretty ignorant of you to make such a ludicrous assumption...especially since I already quoted an expert on the matter in previous posts on this very thread.
But you can clear it up by telling me all that JO got wrong. Of course I'm not holding my breath as your earlier post clearly shows that you don't have a clue on this matter either.
gdunn Wrote:This is how I understood it. Iran could've had all this stuff in place but would've had to disclose it before the deal so we could understand how far along they were, but they didn't and we structured the deal as if they were starting from scratch. I could be wrong...
Iran is hiding stuff Tom. You can't verify what you can't or not inspect. Are you really naive to believe Iran would abide by the agreement?
You do realize that your question in no way means that the deal is doing nothing. Of course, they could still be doing something, but to act like it's doing nothing is just plain ignorant. If you would take some time to learn, you'd know.
what kind of an idiot trusts iran in the first place
We don't! Again, if you had any idea what this deal actually does, you'd know that it is specifically structured with the understanding that they can't be trusted! Hence the verifications in place that Mad Dog is lauding.
If that was all known, then what is this farce that Iran is in compliance? If all that Bibi said is true, then Iran is not in compliance with the deal. Simple as that. Seems that pretty much explains why Trump has reservations about continuing to sign off on the failed deal.
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(04-30-2018 03:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Pretty funny...and sad...a British comedian is more informed on the Iran deal than our president.
Pretty sad and telling that you get your news from a comedian.
Thought you were better than that Tom. I know you're smarter than that. You put together some pretty good arguments and thoughts out there.
And pretty ignorant of you to make such a ludicrous assumption...especially since I already quoted an expert on the matter in previous posts on this very thread.
But you can clear it up by telling me all that JO got wrong. Of course I'm not holding my breath as your earlier post clearly shows that you don't have a clue on this matter either.
gdunn Wrote:This is how I understood it. Iran could've had all this stuff in place but would've had to disclose it before the deal so we could understand how far along they were, but they didn't and we structured the deal as if they were starting from scratch. I could be wrong...
You are.
Same John Oliver that stated Trump wouldn't win or Korea would blow us up before coming to the table for peace talks.
If that was all known, then what is this farce that Iran is in compliance? If all that Bibi said is true, then Iran is not in compliance with the deal. Simple as that. Seems that pretty much explains why Trump has reservations about continuing to sign off on the failed deal.
This was known in 2015. The deal was signed in 2015. Since this stuff was all known, it can be monitored, and is. Just ask Mad Dog and the international agency tasked with the monitoring.
(04-30-2018 03:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Pretty funny...and sad...a British comedian is more informed on the Iran deal than our president.
Pretty sad and telling that you get your news from a comedian.
Thought you were better than that Tom. I know you're smarter than that. You put together some pretty good arguments and thoughts out there.
And pretty ignorant of you to make such a ludicrous assumption...especially since I already quoted an expert on the matter in previous posts on this very thread.
But you can clear it up by telling me all that JO got wrong. Of course I'm not holding my breath as your earlier post clearly shows that you don't have a clue on this matter either.
gdunn Wrote:This is how I understood it. Iran could've had all this stuff in place but would've had to disclose it before the deal so we could understand how far along they were, but they didn't and we structured the deal as if they were starting from scratch. I could be wrong...
You are.
Same John Oliver that stated Trump wouldn't win or Korea would blow us up before coming to the table for peace talks.
I'm man enough to admit i might be wrong. So GFY.
I'm sorry, but when did these Korea peace talks take place and at what table? I must have missed that thread.
But it's nice to know that if someone is ever wrong about any prediction they ever make that they can never ever be trusted again on any matter. I'm sure you'd want people judging you by that ridiculous standard.
And since I see you posted nothing to rebut anything he said, you must then agree with everything he said, right?
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(04-30-2018 03:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Pretty funny...and sad...a British comedian is more informed on the Iran deal than our president.
Pretty sad and telling that you get your news from a comedian.
Thought you were better than that Tom. I know you're smarter than that. You put together some pretty good arguments and thoughts out there.
And pretty ignorant of you to make such a ludicrous assumption...especially since I already quoted an expert on the matter in previous posts on this very thread.
But you can clear it up by telling me all that JO got wrong. Of course I'm not holding my breath as your earlier post clearly shows that you don't have a clue on this matter either.
gdunn Wrote:This is how I understood it. Iran could've had all this stuff in place but would've had to disclose it before the deal so we could understand how far along they were, but they didn't and we structured the deal as if they were starting from scratch. I could be wrong...
You are.
Same John Oliver that stated Trump wouldn't win or Korea would blow us up before coming to the table for peace talks.
I'm man enough to admit i might be wrong. So GFY.
I'm sorry, but when did these Korea peace talks take place and at what table? I must have missed that thread.
But it's nice to know that if someone is ever wrong about any prediction they ever make that they can never ever be trusted again on any matter. I'm sure you'd want people judging you by that ridiculous standard.
And since I see you posted nothing to rebut anything he said, you must then agree with everything he said, right?
Do you not speak English. I said if I'm wrong someone correct me. Nobody has. Not even you. So I'm sure you know less about it or you can't comprehend what you've posted. Again GFY.
Morocco severs ties with Iran, accusing it of backing Polisario Front
RABAT (Reuters) - Morocco will sever diplomatic ties with Iran over Tehran’s support for the Polisario Front, a Western Sahara independence movement, the Moroccan foreign minister said on Tuesday.
Morocco claimed Western Sahara after colonial Spain left, but Polisario fought a guerrilla war for independence for the Sahrawi people until a U.N.-backed ceasefire.
Morocco will close its embassy in Tehran and will expel the Iranian ambassador in Rabat, Foreign Minister Nasser Bourita told reporters.
He said that Iran and its Lebanese Shi’ite ally, Hezbollah, were supporting Polisario by training and arming its fighters, via the Iranian embassy in Algeria. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-moroc...SKBN1I23VF
Quote:First, some context: All of Iran’s nuclear facilities will be under 24/7 surveillance. The deal also provides an unprecedented process for inspecting facilities where the IAEA suspects illicit nuclear activity may be occurring. This means the IAEA can inspect businesses, military facilities, and even the President of Iran’s garage if necessary. The ability to carry out these investigations is permanent, but only if the deal is approved.
Under the comprehensive agreement, Iran will implement the Additional Protocol, which sets requirements and provides the legal authority for IAEA inspectors to access all nuclear and suspected nuclear facilities in perpetuity.
The IAEA can request access with 24-hour notice to any site inspectors suspect might be conducting illicit nuclear activities. If Iran denies the IAEA access, the JCPOA offers an extra enforcement process to ensure access: a Joint Commission, comprised of one representative from each P5+1 country plus Iran and a European Union representative. When the IAEA or any member of the Joint Commission warns that Iran is blocking access to a suspected site, a majority of members can force the Iranians to allow access. Unlike the UN Security Council, no one party gets a veto on this commissions. That means Russia, China and Iran can’t prevent inspections.
This process takes, at most, 24 days to complete. The Joint Commission has a maximum of seven days to review and adjudicate a claim that Iran is carrying out illicit nuclear activities; but if the evidence clearly indicates Iran should open a site for inspections, it could make that decision on day one of seven, bringing the timeframe down to 18 days. The clock starts ticking the moment the IAEA demands Iran give it access to a particular site, including the 24-hour advance notice required under the Additional Protocol.
Even the worst-case scenario of 24 days is not enough time for Iran to hide any substantial violations. The half-life of nuclear material is thousands of years. If Iran had material that could be used to make a nuclear bomb at a given location, inspectors would be able to find traces of it. Also, the physical structures to enrich weapons-grade uranium or plutonium cannot be moved in 24 days.
During the 24-day period, international intelligence apparatuses will watch the suspected facility to monitor any attempts to hide or move evidence. If, for example, trucks are backed up to a suspected facility, it could be considered a breach of the agreement and sanctions can legally be re-imposed.
While Iran may be able to get away with, say, computer-modeling activities during the 24-day period, they will still be a long way away from developing a nuclear weapon (much further than if there was no agreement in place.) To put it another way, if Iran’s goal is to secretly build a car, they may be able to develop a headlight or a windshield wiper without detection. But they will not be able to build an engine or fuel it. And they will still be several long, complicated steps away from building a car that functions.
Reminder: no deal means no inspections and no restrictions on Iran’s nuclear enterprise.
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