I'm not sure anything in this refutes Bibi's presentation. Am I missing something?
I was not replying to his presentation here, I was referring to SFBC's post regarding the wild claim from the roundly discredited, National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), a noted Iran deal opponent.
so democrats trust iran and are pro nukes. got it. add it to the blue wave platform.
Perhaps you should spend less time trolling and more time researching what the Iran deal actually does? That would, perhaps, prevent more ignorant posts from you like the one I quoted.
NOTHING TOM. Iran isn't abiding by any agreement. They are doing whatever they want. You and your writer pal are living in fantasy land.
(04-30-2018 02:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: The writer of that article is phucking idiot.
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Netanyahu is telling us something we already knew -- that Iran had a nuclear weapons program. If the JCPOA collapses, Iran will be free to resume that program without additional @iaeaorg safeguards imposed by the deal. These documents are a commercial for keeping the JCPOA.
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He thinks there is some sort of a real enforcement mechanism.
You're clueless.
No you are clueless.
Keep dreaming dude, You provided nothing to rebut Lewis' report or his credentials, which unlike you or me on this subject, are substantial. And his tweet is 100% correct, in that scrapping this deal will allow Iran to begin immediately producing nukes. Instead, you rely on the discredited National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI).
Quote:Dr. Jeffrey Lewis is the director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at CNS. Before coming to CNS, he was the director of the Nuclear Strategy and Nonproliferation Initiative at the New America Foundation. Prior to that, he was executive director of the Managing the Atom Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, executive director of the Association of Professional Schools of International Affairs, a visiting fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and a desk officer in the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy.
At the Middlebury Institute, He teaches courses on arms control issues in Northeast Asia and Chinese nuclear policy. The work of his team was recently covered in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and VICE. He is the author of Minimum Means of Reprisal: China's Search for Security in the Nuclear Age (MIT Press, 2007), and Paper Tigers: China’s Nuclear Posture (IISS, 2014). He is a regular columnist for Foreign Policy, and has published articles in Foreign Affairs, the Washington Post, and The New York Times. He is the founder of ArmsControlWonk.com, the leading blog and podcast on disarmament, arms control and nonproliferation.
Iran is already doing whatever they want. You friend is wrong Tom. Mossad stole the documents and CDs. They have the proof. The nuke agreement is phucking nothing.
You're spouting the unverified claims of a known opponent of the deal with an agenda to push.
I cited a clear and concise debunking of their "facts" already, and you poo-pooed them with nothing of any substance rather than your uneducated opinion.
I suggest you actually take some time and read up on what the Iran deal actually does. If you had, you wouldn't be making such a fool of yourself.
Keep dreaming dude, You provided nothing to rebut Lewis' report or his credentials, which unlike you or me on this subject, are substantial. And his tweet is 100% correct, in that scrapping this deal will allow Iran to begin immediately producing nukes. Instead, you rely on the discredited National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI).
Quote:Dr. Jeffrey Lewis is the director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at CNS. Before coming to CNS, he was the director of the Nuclear Strategy and Nonproliferation Initiative at the New America Foundation. Prior to that, he was executive director of the Managing the Atom Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, executive director of the Association of Professional Schools of International Affairs, a visiting fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and a desk officer in the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy.
At the Middlebury Institute, He teaches courses on arms control issues in Northeast Asia and Chinese nuclear policy. The work of his team was recently covered in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and VICE. He is the author of Minimum Means of Reprisal: China's Search for Security in the Nuclear Age (MIT Press, 2007), and Paper Tigers: China’s Nuclear Posture (IISS, 2014). He is a regular columnist for Foreign Policy, and has published articles in Foreign Affairs, the Washington Post, and The New York Times. He is the founder of ArmsControlWonk.com, the leading blog and podcast on disarmament, arms control and nonproliferation.
Iran is already doing whatever they want. You friend is wrong Tom. Mossad stole the documents and CDs. They have the proof. The nuke agreement is phucking nothing.
You're spouting the unverified claims of a known opponent of the deal with an agenda to push.
I cited a clear and concise debunking of their "facts" already, and you poo-pooed them with nothing of any substance rather than your uneducated opinion.
I suggest you actually take some time and read up on what the Iran deal actually does. If you had, you wouldn't be making such a fool of yourself.
(04-30-2018 02:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: No you are clueless.
Keep dreaming dude, You provided nothing to rebut Lewis' report or his credentials, which unlike you or me on this subject, are substantial. And his tweet is 100% correct, in that scrapping this deal will allow Iran to begin immediately producing nukes. Instead, you rely on the discredited National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI).
Quote:Dr. Jeffrey Lewis is the director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at CNS. Before coming to CNS, he was the director of the Nuclear Strategy and Nonproliferation Initiative at the New America Foundation. Prior to that, he was executive director of the Managing the Atom Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, executive director of the Association of Professional Schools of International Affairs, a visiting fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and a desk officer in the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy.
At the Middlebury Institute, He teaches courses on arms control issues in Northeast Asia and Chinese nuclear policy. The work of his team was recently covered in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and VICE. He is the author of Minimum Means of Reprisal: China's Search for Security in the Nuclear Age (MIT Press, 2007), and Paper Tigers: China’s Nuclear Posture (IISS, 2014). He is a regular columnist for Foreign Policy, and has published articles in Foreign Affairs, the Washington Post, and The New York Times. He is the founder of ArmsControlWonk.com, the leading blog and podcast on disarmament, arms control and nonproliferation.
Iran is already doing whatever they want. You friend is wrong Tom. Mossad stole the documents and CDs. They have the proof. The nuke agreement is phucking nothing.
You're spouting the unverified claims of a known opponent of the deal with an agenda to push.
I cited a clear and concise debunking of their "facts" already, and you poo-pooed them with nothing of any substance rather than your uneducated opinion.
I suggest you actually take some time and read up on what the Iran deal actually does. If you had, you wouldn't be making such a fool of yourself.
Iran is hiding stuff Tom. You can't verify what you can't or not inspect. Are you really naive to believe Iran would abide by the agreement?
You do realize that your question in no way means that the deal is doing nothing. Of course, they could still be doing something, but to act like it's doing nothing is just plain ignorant. If you would take some time to learn, you'd know.
Iran is hiding stuff Tom. You can't verify what you can't or not inspect. Are you really naive to believe Iran would abide by the agreement?
You do realize that your question in no way means that the deal is doing nothing. Of course, they could still be doing something, but to act like it's doing nothing is just plain ignorant. If you would take some time to learn, you'd know.
what kind of an idiot trusts iran in the first place
(04-30-2018 03:49 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: Bibi loves to engage our war machine for his benefit in the Middle East. He is just providing cover for Trump.
I mean yeah, it isn't like Iran is largest sponsor of Terrorism or anything like that. They spend a gazillion $ sponsoring terrorism. One reason there have mass protests by Iranian citizens for 6 months, and they arrest them no due process, kill some of them also.
CIA and defense contractors engage the USA war machine a hell of a lot more than Israel.
Just watched the presentation. I now know how people during the Cuban Missile Crisis probably felt after watching the US ambassador lay out the case against Cuba and Russia at the UN. Really eye opening how much classified information Israel was wiling to reveal in order to explain to the world what is happening in Iran. That tells me we are in the very final stages of Israeli patience. If we dont make a move soon, they will.
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(04-30-2018 03:49 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: Bibi loves to engage our war machine for his benefit in the Middle East. He is just providing cover for Trump.
I mean yeah, it isn't like Iran is largest sponsor of Terrorism or anything like that. They spend a gazillion $ sponsoring terrorism. One reason there have mass protests by Iranian citizens for 6 months, and they arrest them no due process, kill some of them also.
CIA and defense contractors engage the USA war machine a hell of a lot more than Israel.
Netanyahu is a "ends justifies the means" kind of guy. He is a liar.
(04-30-2018 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Just watched the presentation. I now know how people during the Cuban Missile Crisis probably felt after watching the US ambassador lay out the case against Cuba and Russia at the UN. Really eye opening how much classified information Israel was wiling to reveal in order to explain to the world what is happening in Iran. That tells me we are in the very final stages of Israeli patience. If we dont make a move soon, they will.
Good.
Let them move on their own intelligence instead of asking us to do it for them.
(04-30-2018 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Just watched the presentation. I now know how people during the Cuban Missile Crisis probably felt after watching the US ambassador lay out the case against Cuba and Russia at the UN. Really eye opening how much classified information Israel was wiling to reveal in order to explain to the world what is happening in Iran. That tells me we are in the very final stages of Israeli patience. If we dont make a move soon, they will.
Yeah and Boeing is selling their airliners, once slated to Iran, to the UAE. Stranglehold on N. Korea, check. Mass civilian protests in Iran for months, maybe the stars are aligning.
(04-30-2018 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: Just watched the presentation. I now know how people during the Cuban Missile Crisis probably felt after watching the US ambassador lay out the case against Cuba and Russia at the UN. Really eye opening how much classified information Israel was wiling to reveal in order to explain to the world what is happening in Iran. That tells me we are in the very final stages of Israeli patience. If we dont make a move soon, they will.
Good.
Let them move on their own intelligence instead of asking us to do it for them.
One of the biggest con jobs in history was the propaganda that made the left Palestinian sympathizers. The dem sheep just fall in line.
good grief. Democrats really hate America.
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