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Dude sounded like Trump when he delivered his speech.
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After Powell's presentation re: Iraqi WMD, I hope sufficient pause is in place and further confirmation can be had....

Not out of any concern for the Iranians, mind you.
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(04-30-2018 01:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  After Powell's presentation re: Iraqi WMD, I hope sufficient pause is in place and further confirmation can be had....

Not out of any concern for the Iranians, mind you.

1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.

IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82
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(04-30-2018 01:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  


Umm, wow!

Somebody's got a better intel function than we do.
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(04-30-2018 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  After Powell's presentation re: Iraqi WMD, I hope sufficient pause is in place and further confirmation can be had....

Not out of any concern for the Iranians, mind you.

1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.

IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82

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Quote:On Tuesday, Feb. 24, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political front for the “cult-like dissident group” known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK), revealed the location of what it claimed was an underground centrifuge facility in the suburbs of Tehran. The announcement was, evidently, intended to derail ongoing negotiations toward a diplomatic settlement over Tehran’s nuclear programs. The State Department spokeswoman stated, “Well, we don’t have any information at this time to support the conclusion of the report.”

...

Almost immediately, there were reasons to doubt NCRI’s claim. A review of commercial satellite images reveals no evidence of large-scale excavation or tunneling during the 2004-2008 period identified by NCRI. The site seems to lack a suitable transformer substation for electricity to power centrifuges or evidence of ventilation systems so workers underneath can breathe. (It turns out workers tend to insist on breathing.) And if Iran had excavated a massive 2,000-square-meter underground facility, where’d all the dirt go? It just doesn’t add up.

Moreover, the press release contained a number of details that were obviously fabricated. NCRI claimed that the facility had “3 by 3 m radiation proof doors that are 40 centimeters thick and weigh about 8 tons … to prevent radiation leak.” There is no reason for such doors at a uranium-enrichment facility, which is not subject to massive radiation leaks. Almost immediately, others were able to determine that the picture of the door released by NCRI was actually lifted from an Iranian commercial website. That detail is just balderdash, despite NCRI’s lame defense that the firm supplies doors to the Iranian nuclear industry.

The site that NCRI identified is, in fact, a facility operated by a firm called Matiran. NCRI described Matiran as a firm that produces identification documents, like passports, for the Iranian government. Helpfully, that’s how Matiran describes itself, as well. You may not have heard of it before — I had not — but its representatives attend international conferences and its employees post their CVs on social networking sites. The construction of the new facility roughly corresponds with Matiran’s successful bid to produce the new Iranian national identification card.

Hey, what do I know, but it seems unlikely that Iran has decided to double-up producing ID cards and enriching uranium at the same site.

But guess what? I found someone who’s been there. This illustration shows a “GPS trace” created by a European who visited the site in February 2013. (There is a cool project called “Open Street Map” which is like Google Maps meets Wikipedia.) The user traveled from a hotel in Tehran to the Matiran facility in question and uploaded the GPS trace of his route to Open Street Map. (He has since taken it down.) Despite claims by NCRI that the site is located within a “restricted military zone,” he took a car right into the site. Since the journey is time-stamped, we can tell he didn’t spend a bunch of time at checkpoints.

My colleague Paul-Anton Krüger, who writes for the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, and I contacted this person. His story checks out. Iran makes identification cards at the site. It also has a steady stream of foreign visitors. None of his colleagues saw anything out of the ordinary.

In addition to foreign firms working with Matiran, at least two international delegations have also visited the facility. Iran organized an October 2011 site visit by a delegation of National Civil Registration Organizations as part of a conference held in Tehran. Iran organized a second site visit, in April 2013, as part of a similar meeting. So there you have it: NCRI “found” a secret site producing identification cards that has been visited repeatedly by foreigners.

Keep reading here:
That Secret Iranian ‘Nuclear Facility’ You Just Found? Not So Much.
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(04-30-2018 02:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  


Umm, wow!

Somebody's got a better intel function than we do.

It would not surprise me one bit if Bibi is just parroting info here given to him by Bolton and trump. From what I've read, much of this has been known for years.
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(04-30-2018 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  After Powell's presentation re: Iraqi WMD, I hope sufficient pause is in place and further confirmation can be had....

Not out of any concern for the Iranians, mind you.

1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.

IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82

04-bs

Quote:On Tuesday, Feb. 24, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political front for the “cult-like dissident group” known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK), revealed the location of what it claimed was an underground centrifuge facility in the suburbs of Tehran. The announcement was, evidently, intended to derail ongoing negotiations toward a diplomatic settlement over Tehran’s nuclear programs. The State Department spokeswoman stated, “Well, we don’t have any information at this time to support the conclusion of the report.”

...

Almost immediately, there were reasons to doubt NCRI’s claim. A review of commercial satellite images reveals no evidence of large-scale excavation or tunneling during the 2004-2008 period identified by NCRI. The site seems to lack a suitable transformer substation for electricity to power centrifuges or evidence of ventilation systems so workers underneath can breathe. (It turns out workers tend to insist on breathing.) And if Iran had excavated a massive 2,000-square-meter underground facility, where’d all the dirt go? It just doesn’t add up.

Moreover, the press release contained a number of details that were obviously fabricated. NCRI claimed that the facility had “3 by 3 m radiation proof doors that are 40 centimeters thick and weigh about 8 tons … to prevent radiation leak.” There is no reason for such doors at a uranium-enrichment facility, which is not subject to massive radiation leaks. Almost immediately, others were able to determine that the picture of the door released by NCRI was actually lifted from an Iranian commercial website. That detail is just balderdash, despite NCRI’s lame defense that the firm supplies doors to the Iranian nuclear industry.

The site that NCRI identified is, in fact, a facility operated by a firm called Matiran. NCRI described Matiran as a firm that produces identification documents, like passports, for the Iranian government. Helpfully, that’s how Matiran describes itself, as well. You may not have heard of it before — I had not — but its representatives attend international conferences and its employees post their CVs on social networking sites. The construction of the new facility roughly corresponds with Matiran’s successful bid to produce the new Iranian national identification card.

Hey, what do I know, but it seems unlikely that Iran has decided to double-up producing ID cards and enriching uranium at the same site.

But guess what? I found someone who’s been there. This illustration shows a “GPS trace” created by a European who visited the site in February 2013. (There is a cool project called “Open Street Map” which is like Google Maps meets Wikipedia.) The user traveled from a hotel in Tehran to the Matiran facility in question and uploaded the GPS trace of his route to Open Street Map. (He has since taken it down.) Despite claims by NCRI that the site is located within a “restricted military zone,” he took a car right into the site. Since the journey is time-stamped, we can tell he didn’t spend a bunch of time at checkpoints.

My colleague Paul-Anton Krüger, who writes for the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, and I contacted this person. His story checks out. Iran makes identification cards at the site. It also has a steady stream of foreign visitors. None of his colleagues saw anything out of the ordinary.

In addition to foreign firms working with Matiran, at least two international delegations have also visited the facility. Iran organized an October 2011 site visit by a delegation of National Civil Registration Organizations as part of a conference held in Tehran. Iran organized a second site visit, in April 2013, as part of a similar meeting. So there you have it: NCRI “found” a secret site producing identification cards that has been visited repeatedly by foreigners.

Keep reading here:
That Secret Iranian ‘Nuclear Facility’ You Just Found? Not So Much.

The writer of that article is phucking idiot.

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Netanyahu is telling us something we already knew -- that Iran had a nuclear weapons program. If the JCPOA collapses, Iran will be free to resume that program without additional @iaeaorg safeguards imposed by the deal. These documents are a commercial for keeping the JCPOA.

11:13 AM - 30 Apr 2018 from Monterey, CA

He thinks there is some sort of a real enforcement mechanism.
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(04-30-2018 02:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  After Powell's presentation re: Iraqi WMD, I hope sufficient pause is in place and further confirmation can be had....

Not out of any concern for the Iranians, mind you.

1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.

IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82

04-bs

Quote:On Tuesday, Feb. 24, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political front for the “cult-like dissident group” known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK), revealed the location of what it claimed was an underground centrifuge facility in the suburbs of Tehran. The announcement was, evidently, intended to derail ongoing negotiations toward a diplomatic settlement over Tehran’s nuclear programs. The State Department spokeswoman stated, “Well, we don’t have any information at this time to support the conclusion of the report.”

...

Almost immediately, there were reasons to doubt NCRI’s claim. A review of commercial satellite images reveals no evidence of large-scale excavation or tunneling during the 2004-2008 period identified by NCRI. The site seems to lack a suitable transformer substation for electricity to power centrifuges or evidence of ventilation systems so workers underneath can breathe. (It turns out workers tend to insist on breathing.) And if Iran had excavated a massive 2,000-square-meter underground facility, where’d all the dirt go? It just doesn’t add up.

Moreover, the press release contained a number of details that were obviously fabricated. NCRI claimed that the facility had “3 by 3 m radiation proof doors that are 40 centimeters thick and weigh about 8 tons … to prevent radiation leak.” There is no reason for such doors at a uranium-enrichment facility, which is not subject to massive radiation leaks. Almost immediately, others were able to determine that the picture of the door released by NCRI was actually lifted from an Iranian commercial website. That detail is just balderdash, despite NCRI’s lame defense that the firm supplies doors to the Iranian nuclear industry.

The site that NCRI identified is, in fact, a facility operated by a firm called Matiran. NCRI described Matiran as a firm that produces identification documents, like passports, for the Iranian government. Helpfully, that’s how Matiran describes itself, as well. You may not have heard of it before — I had not — but its representatives attend international conferences and its employees post their CVs on social networking sites. The construction of the new facility roughly corresponds with Matiran’s successful bid to produce the new Iranian national identification card.

Hey, what do I know, but it seems unlikely that Iran has decided to double-up producing ID cards and enriching uranium at the same site.

But guess what? I found someone who’s been there. This illustration shows a “GPS trace” created by a European who visited the site in February 2013. (There is a cool project called “Open Street Map” which is like Google Maps meets Wikipedia.) The user traveled from a hotel in Tehran to the Matiran facility in question and uploaded the GPS trace of his route to Open Street Map. (He has since taken it down.) Despite claims by NCRI that the site is located within a “restricted military zone,” he took a car right into the site. Since the journey is time-stamped, we can tell he didn’t spend a bunch of time at checkpoints.

My colleague Paul-Anton Krüger, who writes for the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, and I contacted this person. His story checks out. Iran makes identification cards at the site. It also has a steady stream of foreign visitors. None of his colleagues saw anything out of the ordinary.

In addition to foreign firms working with Matiran, at least two international delegations have also visited the facility. Iran organized an October 2011 site visit by a delegation of National Civil Registration Organizations as part of a conference held in Tehran. Iran organized a second site visit, in April 2013, as part of a similar meeting. So there you have it: NCRI “found” a secret site producing identification cards that has been visited repeatedly by foreigners.

Keep reading here:
That Secret Iranian ‘Nuclear Facility’ You Just Found? Not So Much.

The writer of that article is phucking idiot.

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Netanyahu is telling us something we already knew -- that Iran had a nuclear weapons program. If the JCPOA collapses, Iran will be free to resume that program without additional @iaeaorg safeguards imposed by the deal. These documents are a commercial for keeping the JCPOA.

11:13 AM - 30 Apr 2018 from Monterey, CA

He thinks there is some sort of a real enforcement mechanism.

You're clueless.
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RE: Bibi's smoking gun Iran presentation
(04-30-2018 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  After Powell's presentation re: Iraqi WMD, I hope sufficient pause is in place and further confirmation can be had....
Not out of any concern for the Iranians, mind you.
1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.
IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82
04-bs
Quote:On Tuesday, Feb. 24, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political front for the “cult-like dissident group” known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK), revealed the location of what it claimed was an underground centrifuge facility in the suburbs of Tehran. The announcement was, evidently, intended to derail ongoing negotiations toward a diplomatic settlement over Tehran’s nuclear programs. The State Department spokeswoman stated, “Well, we don’t have any information at this time to support the conclusion of the report.”
...
Almost immediately, there were reasons to doubt NCRI’s claim. A review of commercial satellite images reveals no evidence of large-scale excavation or tunneling during the 2004-2008 period identified by NCRI. The site seems to lack a suitable transformer substation for electricity to power centrifuges or evidence of ventilation systems so workers underneath can breathe. (It turns out workers tend to insist on breathing.) And if Iran had excavated a massive 2,000-square-meter underground facility, where’d all the dirt go? It just doesn’t add up.
Moreover, the press release contained a number of details that were obviously fabricated. NCRI claimed that the facility had “3 by 3 m radiation proof doors that are 40 centimeters thick and weigh about 8 tons … to prevent radiation leak.” There is no reason for such doors at a uranium-enrichment facility, which is not subject to massive radiation leaks. Almost immediately, others were able to determine that the picture of the door released by NCRI was actually lifted from an Iranian commercial website. That detail is just balderdash, despite NCRI’s lame defense that the firm supplies doors to the Iranian nuclear industry.
The site that NCRI identified is, in fact, a facility operated by a firm called Matiran. NCRI described Matiran as a firm that produces identification documents, like passports, for the Iranian government. Helpfully, that’s how Matiran describes itself, as well. You may not have heard of it before — I had not — but its representatives attend international conferences and its employees post their CVs on social networking sites. The construction of the new facility roughly corresponds with Matiran’s successful bid to produce the new Iranian national identification card.
Hey, what do I know, but it seems unlikely that Iran has decided to double-up producing ID cards and enriching uranium at the same site.
But guess what? I found someone who’s been there. This illustration shows a “GPS trace” created by a European who visited the site in February 2013. (There is a cool project called “Open Street Map” which is like Google Maps meets Wikipedia.) The user traveled from a hotel in Tehran to the Matiran facility in question and uploaded the GPS trace of his route to Open Street Map. (He has since taken it down.) Despite claims by NCRI that the site is located within a “restricted military zone,” he took a car right into the site. Since the journey is time-stamped, we can tell he didn’t spend a bunch of time at checkpoints.
My colleague Paul-Anton Krüger, who writes for the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, and I contacted this person. His story checks out. Iran makes identification cards at the site. It also has a steady stream of foreign visitors. None of his colleagues saw anything out of the ordinary.
In addition to foreign firms working with Matiran, at least two international delegations have also visited the facility. Iran organized an October 2011 site visit by a delegation of National Civil Registration Organizations as part of a conference held in Tehran. Iran organized a second site visit, in April 2013, as part of a similar meeting. So there you have it: NCRI “found” a secret site producing identification cards that has been visited repeatedly by foreigners.
Keep reading here:
That Secret Iranian ‘Nuclear Facility’ You Just Found? Not So Much.

I'm not sure anything in this refutes Bibi's presentation. Am I missing something?
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(04-30-2018 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  After Powell's presentation re: Iraqi WMD, I hope sufficient pause is in place and further confirmation can be had....

Not out of any concern for the Iranians, mind you.

1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.

IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82

04-bs

Quote:On Tuesday, Feb. 24, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political front for the “cult-like dissident group” known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK), revealed the location of what it claimed was an underground centrifuge facility in the suburbs of Tehran. The announcement was, evidently, intended to derail ongoing negotiations toward a diplomatic settlement over Tehran’s nuclear programs. The State Department spokeswoman stated, “Well, we don’t have any information at this time to support the conclusion of the report.”

...

Almost immediately, there were reasons to doubt NCRI’s claim. A review of commercial satellite images reveals no evidence of large-scale excavation or tunneling during the 2004-2008 period identified by NCRI. The site seems to lack a suitable transformer substation for electricity to power centrifuges or evidence of ventilation systems so workers underneath can breathe. (It turns out workers tend to insist on breathing.) And if Iran had excavated a massive 2,000-square-meter underground facility, where’d all the dirt go? It just doesn’t add up.

Moreover, the press release contained a number of details that were obviously fabricated. NCRI claimed that the facility had “3 by 3 m radiation proof doors that are 40 centimeters thick and weigh about 8 tons … to prevent radiation leak.” There is no reason for such doors at a uranium-enrichment facility, which is not subject to massive radiation leaks. Almost immediately, others were able to determine that the picture of the door released by NCRI was actually lifted from an Iranian commercial website. That detail is just balderdash, despite NCRI’s lame defense that the firm supplies doors to the Iranian nuclear industry.

The site that NCRI identified is, in fact, a facility operated by a firm called Matiran. NCRI described Matiran as a firm that produces identification documents, like passports, for the Iranian government. Helpfully, that’s how Matiran describes itself, as well. You may not have heard of it before — I had not — but its representatives attend international conferences and its employees post their CVs on social networking sites. The construction of the new facility roughly corresponds with Matiran’s successful bid to produce the new Iranian national identification card.

Hey, what do I know, but it seems unlikely that Iran has decided to double-up producing ID cards and enriching uranium at the same site.

But guess what? I found someone who’s been there. This illustration shows a “GPS trace” created by a European who visited the site in February 2013. (There is a cool project called “Open Street Map” which is like Google Maps meets Wikipedia.) The user traveled from a hotel in Tehran to the Matiran facility in question and uploaded the GPS trace of his route to Open Street Map. (He has since taken it down.) Despite claims by NCRI that the site is located within a “restricted military zone,” he took a car right into the site. Since the journey is time-stamped, we can tell he didn’t spend a bunch of time at checkpoints.

My colleague Paul-Anton Krüger, who writes for the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, and I contacted this person. His story checks out. Iran makes identification cards at the site. It also has a steady stream of foreign visitors. None of his colleagues saw anything out of the ordinary.

In addition to foreign firms working with Matiran, at least two international delegations have also visited the facility. Iran organized an October 2011 site visit by a delegation of National Civil Registration Organizations as part of a conference held in Tehran. Iran organized a second site visit, in April 2013, as part of a similar meeting. So there you have it: NCRI “found” a secret site producing identification cards that has been visited repeatedly by foreigners.

Keep reading here:
That Secret Iranian ‘Nuclear Facility’ You Just Found? Not So Much.

The writer of that article is phucking idiot.

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Netanyahu is telling us something we already knew -- that Iran had a nuclear weapons program. If the JCPOA collapses, Iran will be free to resume that program without additional @iaeaorg safeguards imposed by the deal. These documents are a commercial for keeping the JCPOA.

11:13 AM - 30 Apr 2018 from Monterey, CA

He thinks there is some sort of a real enforcement mechanism.

You're clueless.

No you are clueless.
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(04-30-2018 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

Umm, wow!
Somebody's got a better intel function than we do.
It would not surprise me one bit if Bibi is just parroting info here given to him by Bolton and trump. From what I've read, much of this has been known for years.

If the documents are real, how did he get them?
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(04-30-2018 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

Umm, wow!
Somebody's got a better intel function than we do.
It would not surprise me one bit if Bibi is just parroting info here given to him by Bolton and trump. From what I've read, much of this has been known for years.

If the documents are real, how did he get them?

they paid a shady washed up british agent to buy them from a russian spy and gave them to crooked fbi agents who leaked them to the globalist media with the goal of sedition and treason against an elected president....

oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and the DNC... but dems had no problem believing that was all legit.

but yeah, it could be fake. bwahahahahaha
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(04-30-2018 02:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

Umm, wow!
Somebody's got a better intel function than we do.
It would not surprise me one bit if Bibi is just parroting info here given to him by Bolton and trump. From what I've read, much of this has been known for years.

If the documents are real, how did he get them?

Mossad, or they have Iranian insiders helping. Probably both.
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(04-30-2018 02:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  After Powell's presentation re: Iraqi WMD, I hope sufficient pause is in place and further confirmation can be had....
Not out of any concern for the Iranians, mind you.
1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.
IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82
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Quote:On Tuesday, Feb. 24, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political front for the “cult-like dissident group” known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK), revealed the location of what it claimed was an underground centrifuge facility in the suburbs of Tehran. The announcement was, evidently, intended to derail ongoing negotiations toward a diplomatic settlement over Tehran’s nuclear programs. The State Department spokeswoman stated, “Well, we don’t have any information at this time to support the conclusion of the report.”
...
Almost immediately, there were reasons to doubt NCRI’s claim. A review of commercial satellite images reveals no evidence of large-scale excavation or tunneling during the 2004-2008 period identified by NCRI. The site seems to lack a suitable transformer substation for electricity to power centrifuges or evidence of ventilation systems so workers underneath can breathe. (It turns out workers tend to insist on breathing.) And if Iran had excavated a massive 2,000-square-meter underground facility, where’d all the dirt go? It just doesn’t add up.
Moreover, the press release contained a number of details that were obviously fabricated. NCRI claimed that the facility had “3 by 3 m radiation proof doors that are 40 centimeters thick and weigh about 8 tons … to prevent radiation leak.” There is no reason for such doors at a uranium-enrichment facility, which is not subject to massive radiation leaks. Almost immediately, others were able to determine that the picture of the door released by NCRI was actually lifted from an Iranian commercial website. That detail is just balderdash, despite NCRI’s lame defense that the firm supplies doors to the Iranian nuclear industry.
The site that NCRI identified is, in fact, a facility operated by a firm called Matiran. NCRI described Matiran as a firm that produces identification documents, like passports, for the Iranian government. Helpfully, that’s how Matiran describes itself, as well. You may not have heard of it before — I had not — but its representatives attend international conferences and its employees post their CVs on social networking sites. The construction of the new facility roughly corresponds with Matiran’s successful bid to produce the new Iranian national identification card.
Hey, what do I know, but it seems unlikely that Iran has decided to double-up producing ID cards and enriching uranium at the same site.
But guess what? I found someone who’s been there. This illustration shows a “GPS trace” created by a European who visited the site in February 2013. (There is a cool project called “Open Street Map” which is like Google Maps meets Wikipedia.) The user traveled from a hotel in Tehran to the Matiran facility in question and uploaded the GPS trace of his route to Open Street Map. (He has since taken it down.) Despite claims by NCRI that the site is located within a “restricted military zone,” he took a car right into the site. Since the journey is time-stamped, we can tell he didn’t spend a bunch of time at checkpoints.
My colleague Paul-Anton Krüger, who writes for the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, and I contacted this person. His story checks out. Iran makes identification cards at the site. It also has a steady stream of foreign visitors. None of his colleagues saw anything out of the ordinary.
In addition to foreign firms working with Matiran, at least two international delegations have also visited the facility. Iran organized an October 2011 site visit by a delegation of National Civil Registration Organizations as part of a conference held in Tehran. Iran organized a second site visit, in April 2013, as part of a similar meeting. So there you have it: NCRI “found” a secret site producing identification cards that has been visited repeatedly by foreigners.
Keep reading here:
That Secret Iranian ‘Nuclear Facility’ You Just Found? Not So Much.

I'm not sure anything in this refutes Bibi's presentation. Am I missing something?

I was not replying to his presentation here, I was referring to SFBC's post regarding the wild claim from the roundly discredited, National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), a noted Iran deal opponent.
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(04-30-2018 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.

IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82

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Quote:On Tuesday, Feb. 24, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political front for the “cult-like dissident group” known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK), revealed the location of what it claimed was an underground centrifuge facility in the suburbs of Tehran. The announcement was, evidently, intended to derail ongoing negotiations toward a diplomatic settlement over Tehran’s nuclear programs. The State Department spokeswoman stated, “Well, we don’t have any information at this time to support the conclusion of the report.”

...

Almost immediately, there were reasons to doubt NCRI’s claim. A review of commercial satellite images reveals no evidence of large-scale excavation or tunneling during the 2004-2008 period identified by NCRI. The site seems to lack a suitable transformer substation for electricity to power centrifuges or evidence of ventilation systems so workers underneath can breathe. (It turns out workers tend to insist on breathing.) And if Iran had excavated a massive 2,000-square-meter underground facility, where’d all the dirt go? It just doesn’t add up.

Moreover, the press release contained a number of details that were obviously fabricated. NCRI claimed that the facility had “3 by 3 m radiation proof doors that are 40 centimeters thick and weigh about 8 tons … to prevent radiation leak.” There is no reason for such doors at a uranium-enrichment facility, which is not subject to massive radiation leaks. Almost immediately, others were able to determine that the picture of the door released by NCRI was actually lifted from an Iranian commercial website. That detail is just balderdash, despite NCRI’s lame defense that the firm supplies doors to the Iranian nuclear industry.

The site that NCRI identified is, in fact, a facility operated by a firm called Matiran. NCRI described Matiran as a firm that produces identification documents, like passports, for the Iranian government. Helpfully, that’s how Matiran describes itself, as well. You may not have heard of it before — I had not — but its representatives attend international conferences and its employees post their CVs on social networking sites. The construction of the new facility roughly corresponds with Matiran’s successful bid to produce the new Iranian national identification card.

Hey, what do I know, but it seems unlikely that Iran has decided to double-up producing ID cards and enriching uranium at the same site.

But guess what? I found someone who’s been there. This illustration shows a “GPS trace” created by a European who visited the site in February 2013. (There is a cool project called “Open Street Map” which is like Google Maps meets Wikipedia.) The user traveled from a hotel in Tehran to the Matiran facility in question and uploaded the GPS trace of his route to Open Street Map. (He has since taken it down.) Despite claims by NCRI that the site is located within a “restricted military zone,” he took a car right into the site. Since the journey is time-stamped, we can tell he didn’t spend a bunch of time at checkpoints.

My colleague Paul-Anton Krüger, who writes for the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, and I contacted this person. His story checks out. Iran makes identification cards at the site. It also has a steady stream of foreign visitors. None of his colleagues saw anything out of the ordinary.

In addition to foreign firms working with Matiran, at least two international delegations have also visited the facility. Iran organized an October 2011 site visit by a delegation of National Civil Registration Organizations as part of a conference held in Tehran. Iran organized a second site visit, in April 2013, as part of a similar meeting. So there you have it: NCRI “found” a secret site producing identification cards that has been visited repeatedly by foreigners.

Keep reading here:
That Secret Iranian ‘Nuclear Facility’ You Just Found? Not So Much.

The writer of that article is phucking idiot.

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Netanyahu is telling us something we already knew -- that Iran had a nuclear weapons program. If the JCPOA collapses, Iran will be free to resume that program without additional @iaeaorg safeguards imposed by the deal. These documents are a commercial for keeping the JCPOA.

11:13 AM - 30 Apr 2018 from Monterey, CA

He thinks there is some sort of a real enforcement mechanism.

You're clueless.

No you are clueless.

Keep dreaming dude, You provided nothing to rebut Lewis' report or his credentials, which unlike you or me on this subject, are substantial. And his tweet is 100% correct, in that scrapping this deal will allow Iran to begin immediately producing nukes. Instead, you rely on the discredited National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI).

Quote:Dr. Jeffrey Lewis is the director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at CNS. Before coming to CNS, he was the director of the Nuclear Strategy and Nonproliferation Initiative at the New America Foundation. Prior to that, he was executive director of the Managing the Atom Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, executive director of the Association of Professional Schools of International Affairs, a visiting fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and a desk officer in the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy.

At the Middlebury Institute, He teaches courses on arms control issues in Northeast Asia and Chinese nuclear policy. The work of his team was recently covered in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and VICE. He is the author of Minimum Means of Reprisal: China's Search for Security in the Nuclear Age (MIT Press, 2007), and Paper Tigers: China’s Nuclear Posture (IISS, 2014). He is a regular columnist for Foreign Policy, and has published articles in Foreign Affairs, the Washington Post, and The New York Times. He is the founder of ArmsControlWonk.com, the leading blog and podcast on disarmament, arms control and nonproliferation.
https://www.middlebury.edu/institute/peo...frey-lewis
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(04-30-2018 03:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  After Powell's presentation re: Iraqi WMD, I hope sufficient pause is in place and further confirmation can be had....
Not out of any concern for the Iranians, mind you.
1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.
IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82
04-bs
Quote:On Tuesday, Feb. 24, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political front for the “cult-like dissident group” known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK), revealed the location of what it claimed was an underground centrifuge facility in the suburbs of Tehran. The announcement was, evidently, intended to derail ongoing negotiations toward a diplomatic settlement over Tehran’s nuclear programs. The State Department spokeswoman stated, “Well, we don’t have any information at this time to support the conclusion of the report.”
...
Almost immediately, there were reasons to doubt NCRI’s claim. A review of commercial satellite images reveals no evidence of large-scale excavation or tunneling during the 2004-2008 period identified by NCRI. The site seems to lack a suitable transformer substation for electricity to power centrifuges or evidence of ventilation systems so workers underneath can breathe. (It turns out workers tend to insist on breathing.) And if Iran had excavated a massive 2,000-square-meter underground facility, where’d all the dirt go? It just doesn’t add up.
Moreover, the press release contained a number of details that were obviously fabricated. NCRI claimed that the facility had “3 by 3 m radiation proof doors that are 40 centimeters thick and weigh about 8 tons … to prevent radiation leak.” There is no reason for such doors at a uranium-enrichment facility, which is not subject to massive radiation leaks. Almost immediately, others were able to determine that the picture of the door released by NCRI was actually lifted from an Iranian commercial website. That detail is just balderdash, despite NCRI’s lame defense that the firm supplies doors to the Iranian nuclear industry.
The site that NCRI identified is, in fact, a facility operated by a firm called Matiran. NCRI described Matiran as a firm that produces identification documents, like passports, for the Iranian government. Helpfully, that’s how Matiran describes itself, as well. You may not have heard of it before — I had not — but its representatives attend international conferences and its employees post their CVs on social networking sites. The construction of the new facility roughly corresponds with Matiran’s successful bid to produce the new Iranian national identification card.
Hey, what do I know, but it seems unlikely that Iran has decided to double-up producing ID cards and enriching uranium at the same site.
But guess what? I found someone who’s been there. This illustration shows a “GPS trace” created by a European who visited the site in February 2013. (There is a cool project called “Open Street Map” which is like Google Maps meets Wikipedia.) The user traveled from a hotel in Tehran to the Matiran facility in question and uploaded the GPS trace of his route to Open Street Map. (He has since taken it down.) Despite claims by NCRI that the site is located within a “restricted military zone,” he took a car right into the site. Since the journey is time-stamped, we can tell he didn’t spend a bunch of time at checkpoints.
My colleague Paul-Anton Krüger, who writes for the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, and I contacted this person. His story checks out. Iran makes identification cards at the site. It also has a steady stream of foreign visitors. None of his colleagues saw anything out of the ordinary.
In addition to foreign firms working with Matiran, at least two international delegations have also visited the facility. Iran organized an October 2011 site visit by a delegation of National Civil Registration Organizations as part of a conference held in Tehran. Iran organized a second site visit, in April 2013, as part of a similar meeting. So there you have it: NCRI “found” a secret site producing identification cards that has been visited repeatedly by foreigners.
Keep reading here:
That Secret Iranian ‘Nuclear Facility’ You Just Found? Not So Much.

I'm not sure anything in this refutes Bibi's presentation. Am I missing something?

I was not replying to his presentation here, I was referring to SFBC's post regarding the wild claim from the roundly discredited, National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), a noted Iran deal opponent.

so democrats trust iran and are pro nukes. got it. add it to the blue wave platform.
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(04-30-2018 03:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 03:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  1 year ago,
Iran Nuclear Weapons Program Active Despite JCPOA, Opposition Says
The PMOI/MEK has obtained its information from onsite observations and reports compiled by its affiliated sources within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), the Defense Ministry and SPND. This evidence shows Iran has maintained its nuclear bomb-making apparatus intact and their activities have continued without being subsided despite the JCPOA signing.
IRGC Brigadier General Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi, aka Dr. Hassan Mohseni, and recognized as the father of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, currently heads SPND and is known to be the key figure in Tehran’s atomic weapons drive.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/heshmatalav...9766b41b82
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Quote:On Tuesday, Feb. 24, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political front for the “cult-like dissident group” known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK), revealed the location of what it claimed was an underground centrifuge facility in the suburbs of Tehran. The announcement was, evidently, intended to derail ongoing negotiations toward a diplomatic settlement over Tehran’s nuclear programs. The State Department spokeswoman stated, “Well, we don’t have any information at this time to support the conclusion of the report.”
...
Almost immediately, there were reasons to doubt NCRI’s claim. A review of commercial satellite images reveals no evidence of large-scale excavation or tunneling during the 2004-2008 period identified by NCRI. The site seems to lack a suitable transformer substation for electricity to power centrifuges or evidence of ventilation systems so workers underneath can breathe. (It turns out workers tend to insist on breathing.) And if Iran had excavated a massive 2,000-square-meter underground facility, where’d all the dirt go? It just doesn’t add up.
Moreover, the press release contained a number of details that were obviously fabricated. NCRI claimed that the facility had “3 by 3 m radiation proof doors that are 40 centimeters thick and weigh about 8 tons … to prevent radiation leak.” There is no reason for such doors at a uranium-enrichment facility, which is not subject to massive radiation leaks. Almost immediately, others were able to determine that the picture of the door released by NCRI was actually lifted from an Iranian commercial website. That detail is just balderdash, despite NCRI’s lame defense that the firm supplies doors to the Iranian nuclear industry.
The site that NCRI identified is, in fact, a facility operated by a firm called Matiran. NCRI described Matiran as a firm that produces identification documents, like passports, for the Iranian government. Helpfully, that’s how Matiran describes itself, as well. You may not have heard of it before — I had not — but its representatives attend international conferences and its employees post their CVs on social networking sites. The construction of the new facility roughly corresponds with Matiran’s successful bid to produce the new Iranian national identification card.
Hey, what do I know, but it seems unlikely that Iran has decided to double-up producing ID cards and enriching uranium at the same site.
But guess what? I found someone who’s been there. This illustration shows a “GPS trace” created by a European who visited the site in February 2013. (There is a cool project called “Open Street Map” which is like Google Maps meets Wikipedia.) The user traveled from a hotel in Tehran to the Matiran facility in question and uploaded the GPS trace of his route to Open Street Map. (He has since taken it down.) Despite claims by NCRI that the site is located within a “restricted military zone,” he took a car right into the site. Since the journey is time-stamped, we can tell he didn’t spend a bunch of time at checkpoints.
My colleague Paul-Anton Krüger, who writes for the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, and I contacted this person. His story checks out. Iran makes identification cards at the site. It also has a steady stream of foreign visitors. None of his colleagues saw anything out of the ordinary.
In addition to foreign firms working with Matiran, at least two international delegations have also visited the facility. Iran organized an October 2011 site visit by a delegation of National Civil Registration Organizations as part of a conference held in Tehran. Iran organized a second site visit, in April 2013, as part of a similar meeting. So there you have it: NCRI “found” a secret site producing identification cards that has been visited repeatedly by foreigners.
Keep reading here:
That Secret Iranian ‘Nuclear Facility’ You Just Found? Not So Much.

I'm not sure anything in this refutes Bibi's presentation. Am I missing something?

I was not replying to his presentation here, I was referring to SFBC's post regarding the wild claim from the roundly discredited, National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), a noted Iran deal opponent.

so democrats trust iran and are pro nukes. got it. add it to the blue wave platform.

Perhaps you should spend less time trolling and more time researching what the Iran deal actually does? That would, perhaps, prevent more ignorant posts from you like the one I quoted.
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(04-30-2018 02:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  04-bs


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The writer of that article is phucking idiot.

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Netanyahu is telling us something we already knew -- that Iran had a nuclear weapons program. If the JCPOA collapses, Iran will be free to resume that program without additional @iaeaorg safeguards imposed by the deal. These documents are a commercial for keeping the JCPOA.

11:13 AM - 30 Apr 2018 from Monterey, CA

He thinks there is some sort of a real enforcement mechanism.

You're clueless.

No you are clueless.

Keep dreaming dude, You provided nothing to rebut Lewis' report or his credentials, which unlike you or me on this subject, are substantial. And his tweet is 100% correct, in that scrapping this deal will allow Iran to begin immediately producing nukes. Instead, you rely on the discredited National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI).

Quote:Dr. Jeffrey Lewis is the director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at CNS. Before coming to CNS, he was the director of the Nuclear Strategy and Nonproliferation Initiative at the New America Foundation. Prior to that, he was executive director of the Managing the Atom Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, executive director of the Association of Professional Schools of International Affairs, a visiting fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and a desk officer in the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy.

At the Middlebury Institute, He teaches courses on arms control issues in Northeast Asia and Chinese nuclear policy. The work of his team was recently covered in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and VICE. He is the author of Minimum Means of Reprisal: China's Search for Security in the Nuclear Age (MIT Press, 2007), and Paper Tigers: China’s Nuclear Posture (IISS, 2014). He is a regular columnist for Foreign Policy, and has published articles in Foreign Affairs, the Washington Post, and The New York Times. He is the founder of ArmsControlWonk.com, the leading blog and podcast on disarmament, arms control and nonproliferation.
https://www.middlebury.edu/institute/peo...frey-lewis

Iran is already doing whatever they want. You friend is wrong Tom. Mossad stole the documents and CDs. They have the proof. The nuke agreement is phucking nothing.
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This is how I understood it. Iran could've had all this stuff in place but would've had to disclose it before the deal so we could understand how far along they were, but they didn't and we structured the deal as if they were starting from scratch. I could be wrong and hopefully someone will correct me.

Two points I have.. 1. If the report is true our previous administration botched this bigly.

2. I'm a little gun-shy after the last time we were told a place had WMDs.
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