(04-13-2018 06:06 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 04:19 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  One thing is crystal clear, few outside the FAU community cares about Owl Football. Even with all the Kiffin hype and a 11-3 break out season they couldn't manage 19K per game in a metro area of over 6 million people. Then again, they've never drawn very well.

2017 - 18,948
2016 - 10,073
2015 - 17,617
2014 - 11,950
2013 - 15,450
2012 - 13,600
2011 - 18,400
1010 - 14,000

I'm so very tired of the attendence gripe on this forum. It's a sociological phenomenon that the current generation cares less and less about attending football games. It isn't a problem for a certain school.

For example,
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-34-years/
Relevant quotes:
"College sports has long been at odds with how to manage the time/value relationship. In other words, how to make attendance at a live event more valuable than the alternatives, which range from remaining at a tailgate outside the venue to viewing on a smartphone while on the go to watching in the comfort of one's living room."
"It's a technology issue," said Wright Waters, Football Bowl Association executive director and former Sun Belt commissioner. "The public is ahead of us every day in what they can get from technology. We have not been able to keep up."
"One former Power Five athletic director called it a "societal shift" leading the powers that be scrambling to figure out the viewing habits of millennials as well as well-heeled alumni."

TLDR why college football attendance has declined:
1) convenience. why waste money, deal with rowdy crowds, and fight bad traffics to watch a game while being uncomfortable outside...when you can stay home and watch the game with your 60in TV & home theater system in your fuzzy slippers while ordering UberEats from Buffalo Wild Wings?
2) technology. Technological advancements allow ppl to optimize their time by skipping the football games entirely. Watch your games whenever and wherever you want on your smart devices.
2) declining interest. modern students don't consider attending football games as a vital part of the college experience. College football is no longer the ritualistic Saturday experience for typical college students. They just show up sometimes for rivalry games or primetime games on national TV.

Attendance in college football suffered an all-time low in 34years. That said, rural campuses in small towns are somewhat shielded from this societal shift because rural entertainment and economy...perhaps even local pride and cultural identity.....are still built around college football.

Use all the stats and logic you like, but the facts are clear. Some little ole country schools are packing in fans while you mega market urban schools can't draw flies.

(04-13-2018 09:28 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  Attendance will be even better after we beat Oklahoma !

And I shall be an Owls fan for that particular game

(04-14-2018 09:01 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 06:54 AM)Seminowl Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 09:38 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 09:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So you typically average what? Like 1,000 more than that number? FAUs attendance would have been 4th highest in the Sun Belt this past year.

You give every team in the SBC an 11-3 record and where would FAU rank? Hypothetical I know, but I would guess most teams in the Sun Belt would eclipse that number.

Hypothetical indeed.

What isn't hypothetical... FAU only had better attendance over one SBC team with a winning record. 3 teams even got a new coach after their season (TXST needs one).

25,787 - App State (9-4)
24,456 - Troy (11-2)
23,908 - Arkansas State (7-5)
18,948 - Florida Atlantic (11-3)
17,447 - Texas State (2-10)
17,345 - South Alabama (4-8 -- new coach)
15,833 - Georgia State (7-5)
15,751 - Louisiana (5-7 -- new coach)
15,258 - Georgia Southern (2-10 -- new coach)
14,959 - Coastal Carolina (3-9)
9,928 - Louisiana Monroe (4-8)

You can't convince me if the schools below FAU raced out to an 11-3 record that most wouldn't have surpassed that number. I mean, FAU increased 88.11% over the previous year. That rate of growth might not be practical, but even if those schools only achieved half the growth rate, 44%, FAU would then place 9th of 10. All I'm saying is you're comparing a special season for FAU against teams that mostly had a disappointing season. If that makes you feel good then congrats.

No comparisons needed, just facts.

And thanks dude it was a pretty special season, now on to the next!

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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(04-13-2018 11:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 04:55 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 07:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 06:43 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  As soon as Kiffin is gone they'll be back down to normal, and may possibly be on probation. I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong, but its pretty common when a program with no history becomes good overnight.

Yeah. I think everyone's chasing the "USF dream". A school with no team or even a stadium starts fb and gets picked up by the country club. But it's a mirage. USF was a mistake that caused the big east to blow up. Country club types don't like the trailer Parker who won the power ball lotto jackpot in their club.

A mirage? USF may not be P5, but they're in much better shape than they would have been if they hadn't managed to outkick their coverage early on. And if they are, indeed, what "blew up" the Big East (which I honestly kinda doubt), then that's what paved the way for other schools to get their shot in the American. The USF dream may not be what it looked like at one point, but man, has it worked out for them.

The Big East was a country club member. They were comprised of 50% either FBS start ups (USF, Uconn) and CUSA call ups (Cincinnati, Louisville) their “legit” teams were Rutgers...Rutgers!? and Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia. I’m shocked that awful line up was ever allowed membership. It took about 5 years for the announcement they’d been kicked out. USF enjoyed a 6 year membership (2005- 2011) before joining their peers in reality.

Ah, I gotcha. Yes, the landscape is very different now from where it was when the BE was still riding the wave of success from schools like VT and WVU. I guess I'm just thinking that even in the current AAC, the Bulls are doing pretty well for a fairly recent startup that didn't have the basketball history of a UConn. And if a P5 still gives them the nod, the USF plan will have worked out about as well as you could expect.

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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Orange Round Ball

We don't have those in Boone.

(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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Orange Round Ball

We don't have that season here. It's Football season, Bowl Season, Recruiting season, Baseball Season, Spring Practice Season, Talk all Summer about football season, Fall Practice Season, and Football season.

(04-17-2018 09:20 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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Orange Round Ball

We don't have those in Boone.

I hear they grow them down the road in Asheville

(04-18-2018 05:02 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 09:20 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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Orange Round Ball

We don't have those in Boone.

I hear they grow them down the road in Asheville

My Asheville friends don't know a lot about orange but they're definitely familiar with the color green.

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(04-18-2018 09:45 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 05:02 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 09:20 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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We don't have those in Boone.

I hear they grow them down the road in Asheville

My Asheville friends don't know a lot about orange but they're definitely familiar with the color green.

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(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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Orange Round Ball

Squeeky shoes, shooty hoops.

As an old press photographer, we often sat on the floor shooting roundball games. We referred to it as "armpits and elbows" photography.

(04-17-2018 11:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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Orange Round Ball

We don't have that season here. It's Football season, Bowl Season, Recruiting season, Baseball Season, Spring Practice Season, Talk all Summer about football season, Fall Practice Season, and Football season.

Baseball season? We don't have that season around here, either.

(04-18-2018 12:30 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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Orange Round Ball

Squeeky shoes, shooty hoops.

UAB GSU basketball rivalry would be a "net" positive for both schools.

(04-13-2018 06:53 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  College football is being dragged along by the likes of the Alabamas and the Georgias. Ticket prices are through the roof and big media finances the rest. The rest of us compete with the guy down the street with the 80 inch projection screen in the DIY theater room in the basement bar.

Universities are more and more indoctrinating the student, particularly the freshman, with anything that can be identified as "tradition".

Traditional U's have the advantage of the more dedicated student and they're taking advantage of it.

That is true, but having been to some of the games of a big name (Alabama, before they expanded Bryant-Denny) program and having been to a Troy Trojans game, I can tell you right now marketing could swing things more towards the Troy Trojans and less towards the big names like Georgia or ‘ Bama. It’s true that your average Sun Belt program won’t be pulling in fans like a ‘Bama or Auburn. However, parking and leaving the game is a lot easier than at those big time programs. I would take my son to a Trojans game before I would take him to a Georgia game because of the sheer number of people at those games!!!! I would say the average Sun Belt or even the average C-USA program should be drawing at least as many fans that come to Wake Forest, Duke, Vandy, etc. That is definitely doable, imo.

A real game changer would be including all of the FBS conferences in the college football playoff. To me, that would make college football more like March Madness, and would get more people to watch. But I think everybody here knows that isn’t going to happen anytime soon unfortunately.

(04-18-2018 06:35 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  UAB GSU basketball rivalry would be a "net" positive for both schools.

Multi sport out of conference scheduling. Annual H&Hs. Makes more sense to do that first than spend millions changing conferences to achieve the same end and HOPE a rivalry develops.

(04-18-2018 06:35 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 12:30 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 07:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 12:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 10:10 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  In a realignment scenario, GSU fans want UAB. Short drive down the road on I-20. Could be called "The I-20 Rivalry"
Charlotte would be a nice partner for recruiting in that metro area.

So....the upstarts without an esablished history of success want to be aligned with two schools, one that just restarted a program and the other that is a massive dumpster fire because of marketz? Did you guys not learn anything from CUSA's realignment debacle?

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Squeeky shoes, shooty hoops.

UAB GSU basketball rivalry would be a "net" positive for both schools.

(04-19-2018 10:04 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 06:35 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  UAB GSU basketball rivalry would be a "net" positive for both schools.

Multi sport out of conference scheduling. Annual H&Hs. Makes more sense to do that first than spend millions changing conferences to achieve the same end and HOPE a rivalry develops.

in this SBC/CUSA realignment fantasy, wouldn't the fees be waived? Anyway, nothing is really happening, at least not anytime soon. I don't think we need to go into the specifics. I do agree we should set up something with UAB regularly. It's a peer institution located only 2hrs away.