(04-17-2018 11:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:23 AM)PonyStark Wrote:  Funny that Memphis is recruiting well under Penny, but hate on Tubby. Why were you not hating on Penny for withholding all his kids from Memphis in order to get the job? You'd have had an experienced coach w/a natty and recruits, but Penny pushed you guys into a corner and cucked you

My concern would be what happens when Penny's coached a couple years at Memphis and is a couple years removed from being so integrated in the HS and AAU scene there. With the NCAA rules I don't think he can have the same kind of relationships he currently does where he has known guys since they were in 7th grade. There will be a new mentor in the place he was helping kids decide where is the best place to go to college.

I think he certainly needs to capitalize on these relationships while they are at thier peak these next two years. Also if they don't come out of the gate and win enough I could see the momentum stalling not only with local recruits but some of the skeptical fans. Ultimately it's still transactinal and these kids will be into protecting their interest. Where there currently there isn't a track record in college or getting guys to the next level from there. You introduce one that doesn't meet the standards they expect and that could throw some cold water on it pretty quick IMO.

If Penny is winning and sending guys to the NBA, they will come on their own.

(04-17-2018 11:55 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:23 AM)PonyStark Wrote:  Funny that Memphis is recruiting well under Penny, but hate on Tubby. Why were you not hating on Penny for withholding all his kids from Memphis in order to get the job? You'd have had an experienced coach w/a natty and recruits, but Penny pushed you guys into a corner and cucked you

My concern would be what happens when Penny's coached a couple years at Memphis and is a couple years removed from being so integrated in the HS and AAU scene there. With the NCAA rules I don't think he can have the same kind of relationships he currently does where he has known guys since they were in 7th grade. There will be a new mentor in the place he was helping kids decide where is the best place to go to college.

I think he certainly needs to capitalize on these relationships while they are at thier peak these next two years. Also if they don't come out of the gate and win enough I could see the momentum stalling not only with local recruits but some of the skeptical fans. Ultimately it's still transactinal and these kids will be into protecting their interest. Where there currently there isn't a track record in college or getting guys to the next level from there. You introduce one that doesn't meet the standards they expect and that could throw some cold water on it pretty quick IMO.

If Penny is winning and sending guys to the NBA, they will come on their own.

Certainly, and I think that transition will have to take place at some point in the first 3-5 years where he becomes a proven college coach because there won't be anyone to recruit he actually had the kind of relationships he has now beyond that I would think. They will have a new "Penny type" AAU and HS mentors in their ear. Everything right now can be sold on the possibility today, but there will be a track record after next year and in 3 or 4 years that will really need to reflect it to get a lot of the same results IMO.

(04-17-2018 11:55 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:23 AM)PonyStark Wrote:  Funny that Memphis is recruiting well under Penny, but hate on Tubby. Why were you not hating on Penny for withholding all his kids from Memphis in order to get the job? You'd have had an experienced coach w/a natty and recruits, but Penny pushed you guys into a corner and cucked you

My concern would be what happens when Penny's coached a couple years at Memphis and is a couple years removed from being so integrated in the HS and AAU scene there. With the NCAA rules I don't think he can have the same kind of relationships he currently does where he has known guys since they were in 7th grade. There will be a new mentor in the place he was helping kids decide where is the best place to go to college.

I think he certainly needs to capitalize on these relationships while they are at thier peak these next two years. Also if they don't come out of the gate and win enough I could see the momentum stalling not only with local recruits but some of the skeptical fans. Ultimately it's still transactinal and these kids will be into protecting their interest. Where there currently there isn't a track record in college or getting guys to the next level from there. You introduce one that doesn't meet the standards they expect and that could throw some cold water on it pretty quick IMO.

If Penny is winning and sending guys to the NBA, they will come on their own.

This. The first 3 years for Penny are major. He needs to hit it big quick. Win a Conference title or two make a Sweet 16 or two. If he does that the recruiting will keep flowing. He can't have a legit recruiting run and not win the conference and get bounced early in the tourney and expect to keep landing big time kids once the real close relationships run out.

Will be fun to watch. Hiring Penny was a good move though, but it far from a sure thing. The minute the land Wiseman away from Coach Cal, I will be a little more convinced.

(04-17-2018 12:09 PM)PonyHoopsFan85 Wrote:  This. The first 3 years for Penny are major. He needs to hit it big quick. Win a Conference title or two make a Sweet 16 or two. If he does that the recruiting will keep flowing. He can't have a legit recruiting run and not win the conference and get bounced early in the tourney and expect to keep landing big time kids once the real close relationships run out.

I don't believe the expectations need to be anywhere that high next year. Some progress needs to be shown quick I agree but I think top 100 RPI and an NIT would probably be fair and showing enough to keep some of the momentum going at least, maybe an NCAA bubble team the next year etc.

It's a strange the predicament he's in to have a lot more than any other coach I've seen riding on year one while he has to get his on the job training and you inevitably should expect some mistakes. I don't know if the Memphis HS players and fans will have as low expectations as I would though.

(04-17-2018 11:48 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 08:49 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 08:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 08:24 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Calkins w/ a good column today. Takes a few shots at Jay Bilas and Mike Decourcy for their comments about Memphis firing Tubby while contrasting what we now have (hope, a top 30 class, thousands of season tickets sold, the prospect of a monster 2019 class) vs what we would've had w/ Tubby (empty arena, roster lacking talent, no chance of any Memphis locals signing). People who fail to see what is happening here are just naïve, stupid or enamored w/ Tubby for some strange reason.

you havent proven anything at all....

Jay Bilas and Mike Decourcy would say everyone with eyes could have told you penny can recruit better than tubby...tubby has never been a great recruiter...tubby still has a national championship banner

"People who fail to see what is happening here are just naïve, stupid or enamored w/ Tubby for some strange reason"
for a team that JUST had a coach who was an a elite recruiter who was a horrible coach..it is wierd how 100% of you guys are claiming victory before ever seeing the man n the court

if you fired tubby and hired pastner the same thing would be happening....
no offense but anyone making comment like the ones you guys are making before he coaches a game are the naive ones

Have to agree with this. Memphis currently has the 27th best recruiting class per rivals, which is great and better than what Tubby pulled. BUT...

You know who had the 27th best recruiting class in 2017 per Rivals??? ...... Illinois .... the same Illinois that finished the season 14-18 and missed all post season. Recruiting rankings are one very small piece of the pie.

No one has said Tubby couldn't coach. He won the 98 National Championship with Pitino's players though. From that point he slowly dwindled down. He did coach them up but his nickname is 10 loss Tubby for a reason lol.

Gary made a good point yesterday.

Being a college basketball coach is a skill set. You have to be able to coach and recruit. It takes both to be able to keep the fan base excited, win championships, and so on.

Tubby could coach, but he couldn't recruit. Instead of surrounding himself with people who could he just allowed himself to fail in that aspect. He put limitations on himself, his staff and what he felt he could actually accomplish.

Memphis has been to multiple final fours with different coaches, we've been deep in the tournament with different coaches. We've competed for national titles with different coaches. Who was Tubby Smith to come in and say he couldn't get top 150 recruits here? Every coach before him did, and Coach Penny got 3 in just a few weeks. Who was Tubby Smith to tell Memphis fans to lower expectations? He said it wasn't his job to get butts in seats and so on.

The biggest point of it, is that we're not a one coach wonder. If multiple people can do it here, hell most didn't even cheat , our expectations to compete at the highest level are where they should be.

Tubby had to go, he's at High Point now, pulling in tons of money and they'll give him all the time he wants, if he makes the tournament there he's a hero and he should be able to dominate that conference in due time. We're paying him full, we didn't rip him off or cheat him. Penny is younger and he is hungrier. If it takes him a a couple seasons to get it going that's fine, our program needed this.


As far at the Recruiting Class comment Stickboy, yes it happens every season. I'm about as real as anyone on here regarding expectations. The biggest thing I want to see this season is player development. I don't care if we lose 5 games or 15 games as long as we get valuable experience for the new guys.

Like Wichita State we are going to end up with a big class. There will be ups and downs. The other issue for us, is we lose another big group next season. So we will once again add a bunch of players. We have to go through this reset stage too.

We'll see what happens, could be great could but a little rough but either way we are taking steps in the right direction as of now.

Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated. Memphis has been good primarily when it has cheated. Dana Kirk and Calipari, names typically associated with cheating, cutting corners, looking the other way, are part of the unfortunate Memphis legacy. That is why this Penny Hardaway fascination by Memphis fans is so amusing. Will Penny be able to recruit kids that stay eligible, stay in school and actually attend class, or is he likely to build a short-term on-court "success" that inevitably blows up in the school's face--yet again. It's like Memphis fans are so tired of being recently irrelevant in college basketball that they hired someone with absolutely no college coaching experience. What could possibly go wrong?

teams that have put together a really good tourney caliber roster imo
--uconn, memphis, houston, ucf, uc, temple (if rose comes back)

close but i feel is missing something:
-smu is close (if foster returns) but missing a guard that can really take over a game
-wsu i like their recruiting class, i just dont see a bunch of freshmen just running the aac

torres isnt going to carry a team but i think he is a big changer for either smu and wsu to atleast be nit caliber
smu is tourney good/aac contender/top 25 with ramey

-tulane if melvin comes back will have a tounrey caliber roster..im just a beliver in culture..winning is birth by a culture of winning, where you play like you are expected to win, im just not sure tulane has the culture to be a tourney team yet,

i thin we end up woth 2/3 tourney bids, but mainly because im sure we are all going to schedule like crap as a whole and kill our own chances to get 4/5

UCONN has talent, and Hurley is a quality coach, but there's a lot of work to do. I'm saying NIT. Watch out for the 2019-2020 season tho...

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:48 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 08:49 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 08:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 08:24 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Calkins w/ a good column today. Takes a few shots at Jay Bilas and Mike Decourcy for their comments about Memphis firing Tubby while contrasting what we now have (hope, a top 30 class, thousands of season tickets sold, the prospect of a monster 2019 class) vs what we would've had w/ Tubby (empty arena, roster lacking talent, no chance of any Memphis locals signing). People who fail to see what is happening here are just naïve, stupid or enamored w/ Tubby for some strange reason.

you havent proven anything at all....

Jay Bilas and Mike Decourcy would say everyone with eyes could have told you penny can recruit better than tubby...tubby has never been a great recruiter...tubby still has a national championship banner

"People who fail to see what is happening here are just naïve, stupid or enamored w/ Tubby for some strange reason"
for a team that JUST had a coach who was an a elite recruiter who was a horrible coach..it is wierd how 100% of you guys are claiming victory before ever seeing the man n the court

if you fired tubby and hired pastner the same thing would be happening....
no offense but anyone making comment like the ones you guys are making before he coaches a game are the naive ones

Have to agree with this. Memphis currently has the 27th best recruiting class per rivals, which is great and better than what Tubby pulled. BUT...

You know who had the 27th best recruiting class in 2017 per Rivals??? ...... Illinois .... the same Illinois that finished the season 14-18 and missed all post season. Recruiting rankings are one very small piece of the pie.

No one has said Tubby couldn't coach. He won the 98 National Championship with Pitino's players though. From that point he slowly dwindled down. He did coach them up but his nickname is 10 loss Tubby for a reason lol.

Gary made a good point yesterday.

Being a college basketball coach is a skill set. You have to be able to coach and recruit. It takes both to be able to keep the fan base excited, win championships, and so on.

Tubby could coach, but he couldn't recruit. Instead of surrounding himself with people who could he just allowed himself to fail in that aspect. He put limitations on himself, his staff and what he felt he could actually accomplish.

Memphis has been to multiple final fours with different coaches, we've been deep in the tournament with different coaches. We've competed for national titles with different coaches. Who was Tubby Smith to come in and say he couldn't get top 150 recruits here? Every coach before him did, and Coach Penny got 3 in just a few weeks. Who was Tubby Smith to tell Memphis fans to lower expectations? He said it wasn't his job to get butts in seats and so on.

The biggest point of it, is that we're not a one coach wonder. If multiple people can do it here, hell most didn't even cheat , our expectations to compete at the highest level are where they should be.

Tubby had to go, he's at High Point now, pulling in tons of money and they'll give him all the time he wants, if he makes the tournament there he's a hero and he should be able to dominate that conference in due time. We're paying him full, we didn't rip him off or cheat him. Penny is younger and he is hungrier. If it takes him a a couple seasons to get it going that's fine, our program needed this.


As far at the Recruiting Class comment Stickboy, yes it happens every season. I'm about as real as anyone on here regarding expectations. The biggest thing I want to see this season is player development. I don't care if we lose 5 games or 15 games as long as we get valuable experience for the new guys.

Like Wichita State we are going to end up with a big class. There will be ups and downs. The other issue for us, is we lose another big group next season. So we will once again add a bunch of players. We have to go through this reset stage too.

We'll see what happens, could be great could but a little rough but either way we are taking steps in the right direction as of now.

Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated. Memphis has been good primarily when it has cheated. Dana Kirk and Calipari, names typically associated with cheating, cutting corners, looking the other way, are part of the unfortunate Memphis legacy. That is why this Penny Hardaway fascination by Memphis fans is so amusing. Will Penny be able to recruit kids that stay eligible, stay in school and actually attend class, or is he likely to build a short-term on-court "success" that inevitably blows up in the school's face--yet again. It's like Memphis fans are so tired of being recently irrelevant in college basketball that they hired someone with absolutely no college coaching experience. What could possibly go wrong?

If Cincinnati ever makes it far enough in the tournament, they might get on the NCAA’s radar as well. How old is Nick Van Exel these days? Like 50? It’s been a while, but at least you don’t cheat. Either that or you’re not very good at it.

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:48 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 08:49 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 08:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 08:24 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Calkins w/ a good column today. Takes a few shots at Jay Bilas and Mike Decourcy for their comments about Memphis firing Tubby while contrasting what we now have (hope, a top 30 class, thousands of season tickets sold, the prospect of a monster 2019 class) vs what we would've had w/ Tubby (empty arena, roster lacking talent, no chance of any Memphis locals signing). People who fail to see what is happening here are just naïve, stupid or enamored w/ Tubby for some strange reason.

you havent proven anything at all....

Jay Bilas and Mike Decourcy would say everyone with eyes could have told you penny can recruit better than tubby...tubby has never been a great recruiter...tubby still has a national championship banner

"People who fail to see what is happening here are just naïve, stupid or enamored w/ Tubby for some strange reason"
for a team that JUST had a coach who was an a elite recruiter who was a horrible coach..it is wierd how 100% of you guys are claiming victory before ever seeing the man n the court

if you fired tubby and hired pastner the same thing would be happening....
no offense but anyone making comment like the ones you guys are making before he coaches a game are the naive ones

Have to agree with this. Memphis currently has the 27th best recruiting class per rivals, which is great and better than what Tubby pulled. BUT...

You know who had the 27th best recruiting class in 2017 per Rivals??? ...... Illinois .... the same Illinois that finished the season 14-18 and missed all post season. Recruiting rankings are one very small piece of the pie.

No one has said Tubby couldn't coach. He won the 98 National Championship with Pitino's players though. From that point he slowly dwindled down. He did coach them up but his nickname is 10 loss Tubby for a reason lol.

Gary made a good point yesterday.

Being a college basketball coach is a skill set. You have to be able to coach and recruit. It takes both to be able to keep the fan base excited, win championships, and so on.

Tubby could coach, but he couldn't recruit. Instead of surrounding himself with people who could he just allowed himself to fail in that aspect. He put limitations on himself, his staff and what he felt he could actually accomplish.

Memphis has been to multiple final fours with different coaches, we've been deep in the tournament with different coaches. We've competed for national titles with different coaches. Who was Tubby Smith to come in and say he couldn't get top 150 recruits here? Every coach before him did, and Coach Penny got 3 in just a few weeks. Who was Tubby Smith to tell Memphis fans to lower expectations? He said it wasn't his job to get butts in seats and so on.

The biggest point of it, is that we're not a one coach wonder. If multiple people can do it here, hell most didn't even cheat , our expectations to compete at the highest level are where they should be.

Tubby had to go, he's at High Point now, pulling in tons of money and they'll give him all the time he wants, if he makes the tournament there he's a hero and he should be able to dominate that conference in due time. We're paying him full, we didn't rip him off or cheat him. Penny is younger and he is hungrier. If it takes him a a couple seasons to get it going that's fine, our program needed this.


As far at the Recruiting Class comment Stickboy, yes it happens every season. I'm about as real as anyone on here regarding expectations. The biggest thing I want to see this season is player development. I don't care if we lose 5 games or 15 games as long as we get valuable experience for the new guys.

Like Wichita State we are going to end up with a big class. There will be ups and downs. The other issue for us, is we lose another big group next season. So we will once again add a bunch of players. We have to go through this reset stage too.

We'll see what happens, could be great could but a little rough but either way we are taking steps in the right direction as of now.

Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated. Memphis has been good primarily when it has cheated. Dana Kirk and Calipari, names typically associated with cheating, cutting corners, looking the other way, are part of the unfortunate Memphis legacy. That is why this Penny Hardaway fascination by Memphis fans is so amusing. Will Penny be able to recruit kids that stay eligible, stay in school and actually attend class, or is he likely to build a short-term on-court "success" that inevitably blows up in the school's face--yet again. It's like Memphis fans are so tired of being recently irrelevant in college basketball that they hired someone with absolutely no college coaching experience. What could possibly go wrong?

Another untrue statement about Memphis...ever hear of a dude named Gene Bartow? He got it rolling with the first final four and National championship game

(04-17-2018 08:24 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Calkins w/ a good column today. Takes a few shots at Jay Bilas and Mike Decourcy for their comments about Memphis firing Tubby while contrasting what we now have (hope, a top 30 class, thousands of season tickets sold, the prospect of a monster 2019 class) vs what we would've had w/ Tubby (empty arena, roster lacking talent, no chance of any Memphis locals signing). People who fail to see what is happening here are just naïve, stupid or enamored w/ Tubby for some strange reason.

Or wanted to see Memphis continue to suck.

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated.

No offense, but if you're calling Gene Bartow a cheater then you are a complete idiot.

(04-17-2018 11:51 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated.

No offense, but if you're calling Gene Bartow a cheater then you are a complete idiot.

If you're getting top 150 recruits there is cheating. That is the game that everyone does to get that level of recruits. The AAU circuit is corrupt, shoe companies are corrupt, coaches, etc. It would be dumb for a high level recruit not to take money when there is a bidding war.

(04-17-2018 11:51 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated.

No offense, but if you're calling Gene Bartow a cheater then you are a complete idiot.

It is also irrelevant to the prospects for the future and does not take into account the arbitrary and capricious nature of NCAA enforcement. For example, one program is cited using a newly invented and tailor made “strict liability” standard while another program gets away with academic fraud.

(04-18-2018 07:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:51 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated.

No offense, but if you're calling Gene Bartow a cheater then you are a complete idiot.

It is also irrelevant to the prospects for the future and does not take into account the arbitrary and capricious nature of NCAA enforcement. For example, one program is cited using a newly invented and tailor made “strict liability” standard while another program gets away with academic fraud.

This is exactly why anything "vacated" is bogus.

(04-18-2018 07:36 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:51 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated.

No offense, but if you're calling Gene Bartow a cheater then you are a complete idiot.

If you're getting top 150 recruits there is cheating. That is the game that everyone does to get that level of recruits. The AAU circuit is corrupt, shoe companies are corrupt, coaches, etc. It would be dumb for a high level recruit not to take money when there is a bidding war.

You might want to rethink that. We have 3 Top 150s so far. Lomax lived with Penny for years, Harris has wanted to play for Memphis since he was a little kid, and Jones called us and asked for a visit, out of the blue, right after he was released from A&M, who wanted him gone.

Plus, with the FBI sting ongoing, that has to have a big impact on business as usual. And I know for sure that Penny was told to do it all above board, b/c we still have P5 aspirations.

(04-18-2018 07:36 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:51 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated.

No offense, but if you're calling Gene Bartow a cheater then you are a complete idiot.

If you're getting top 150 recruits there is cheating. That is the game that everyone does to get that level of recruits. The AAU circuit is corrupt, shoe companies are corrupt, coaches, etc. It would be dumb for a high level recruit not to take money when there is a bidding war.

The FBI case has focused on recruits drawing the attention of agents. The agents assess a recruit’s potential of making the NBA and pay accordingly. Naturally, five star recruits are the main targets and I expect the Tigers to lose the ones (or their handlers) corrupted by the agents or expecting a hand out. Fortunately, not all five stars cheat and making the Elite Eight or better is feasible with a mix of experienced four stars and three stars.

(04-18-2018 07:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 07:36 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:51 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated.

No offense, but if you're calling Gene Bartow a cheater then you are a complete idiot.

If you're getting top 150 recruits there is cheating. That is the game that everyone does to get that level of recruits. The AAU circuit is corrupt, shoe companies are corrupt, coaches, etc. It would be dumb for a high level recruit not to take money when there is a bidding war.

You might want to rethink that. We have 3 Top 150s so far. Lomax lived with Penny for years, Harris has wanted to play for Memphis since he was a little kid, and Jones called us and asked for a visit, out of the blue, right after he was released from A&M, who wanted him gone.

Plus, with the FBI sting ongoing, that has to have a big impact on business as usual. And I know for sure that Penny was told to do it all above board, b/c we still have P5 aspirations.

Pretty sure A&M released Jones because he wasn't going to qualify...

(04-18-2018 07:59 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 07:57 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 07:36 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:51 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated.

No offense, but if you're calling Gene Bartow a cheater then you are a complete idiot.

If you're getting top 150 recruits there is cheating. That is the game that everyone does to get that level of recruits. The AAU circuit is corrupt, shoe companies are corrupt, coaches, etc. It would be dumb for a high level recruit not to take money when there is a bidding war.

You might want to rethink that. We have 3 Top 150s so far. Lomax lived with Penny for years, Harris has wanted to play for Memphis since he was a little kid, and Jones called us and asked for a visit, out of the blue, right after he was released from A&M, who wanted him gone.

Plus, with the FBI sting ongoing, that has to have a big impact on business as usual. And I know for sure that Penny was told to do it all above board, b/c we still have P5 aspirations.

Pretty sure A&M released Jones because he wasn't going to qualify...

where are you getting these rumors from??? ... it makes zero sense to sign at a college in april if you aren't going to qualify
i also googled..there is nothing about it on the internet, i even checked the a&m's forum they are mad he decommitted and memntion nothing about qualifiying

you arent a troll so you must be getting tis from somewhere

update: on the a&m forum they said Gary Parrish did some investigating, and noted why he was was released.. it has noting to do with qualifying but clashing with coaches at a&m..

(04-18-2018 07:36 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 11:51 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 12:46 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Funny that you didn't mention that everytime Memphis got to a Final Four, it was vacated.

No offense, but if you're calling Gene Bartow a cheater then you are a complete idiot.

If you're getting top 150 recruits there is cheating. That is the game that everyone does to get that level of recruits. The AAU circuit is corrupt, shoe companies are corrupt, coaches, etc. It would be dumb for a high level recruit not to take money when there is a bidding war.

this is a sad mindset you have...100% of recruits know taking money is bad and could jeopardize their career yet you legitimately think all 150 of them are...not 1 kid has morals ...
and a nba contract is worth millions but you think its smart to go a bidding for war for 30-50k that could potentially ruin the millions..im not saying some will take the gamble but all?????

no offense but this is the banter of a conspiracy theorist