(04-12-2018 11:25 PM)steves Wrote:  How about David Padgett ... he's looking for a #1 assistants job. Especially if Brown take the consultant job.
Or Murray Bartow ... again if Brown goes consultant. Great XO pedigree.

I like it! However, if LB is "dirty".....does Padgett's time with Pitino make him too "dirty" for Bowen?

(04-12-2018 11:40 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 11:22 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 11:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:45 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 08:13 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  SMH
You just have been unfamiliar with the department’s fiscal situation.

Any reputable link for the statement that Tubby would still be here if Bowen had his way?

I’m not arguing that RC left a mess. He absolutely did. Is Bowen better than RC? Yes.

That doesn’t change the fact that he’s been in charge while the basketball program has been decimated. The University’s cash cow. He’s responsible for that. Not RC.

Decimated only because of one bad basketball hire. Bowen had input but there is no way that he was solely responsible for hiring Tubby. As far as everything else goes, the admin and boosters as a whole got the practice facility built and got Laurie on board for a $10 million donation with a promise of more, all on Bowen's watch.

Also, the Tubby hire wasn't done on the cheap, so you can't accuse the admin of not paying and you can't accuse them of not advancing the state of the program as a whole during Bowen's watch.

You can’t divide things that happened under Bowen’s watch and say he did this but others made this decision. HE RUNS THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT. He has overseen the greatest drop in basketball revenue in NCAA history and probably attendance too in 3-4 years. Then Penny is hired under his watch and WANTS Larry Brown as asst head Coach. He is turned down even though he has generated approx $2M in new revenue in 3 weeks and probably kept double that amount from GIVING UP THEIR SEATS.

That will be his legacy.

Quote:You can’t divide things that happened under Bowen’s watch and say he did this but others made this decision.

That is a bizarre thing to say. You can absolutely say that Bowen was responsible for fixing the athletic department from an administrative and financial viewpoint and you can absolutely say that many people had a hand in Tubby being hired.

You can also say correctly (as I did) that the only bad thing about the basketball program was hiring Tubby. During Bowen's watch the practice facility was built and Laurie and others came back into the fold. Of course many were responsible for those things happening also.

Let's say that Rudd, Graf, Bronczek, and Laurie all wanted Brown. What do you think would happen?

Quote:He is turned down even though he has generated approx $2M in new revenue in 3 weeks and probably kept double that amount from GIVING UP THEIR SEATS.

You don't give a **** about the school's reputation. We all understand that.

You don’t know fact from fiction. Bowen is a joke. I don’t care what the media thinks or writes. So many of you are wringing you hands over something that will not be headline news; it will be secondary news and 99.9% of America will forget about it in two minutes. But go on with the over analyzing everything for media’s sake; much like this board. Someone starts a thread about a POTENTIAL problem between Millers sons and Penny. They are not even out of high school yet. Geez.

I like the idea of both Paul Hewitt and John Brady because both coached a team to the Final Four...that is not an easy task

(04-12-2018 02:17 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I wish we were hiring Larry Brown, but looks like it isn't happening.

As great as Brown is (and he IS great), we'll be okay as long as we hire another solid former HC to be the staff version on Cal's Robic..

Some names I like (most I like less than Brown, but still):

- The one I REALLY like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crews
- He learned from Knight / Majerus, and he has 28 years of HC experience.
- He took two teams with Majerus' players to the tourney, so he can coach.
- He flamed out with his own players, so he can't recruit.
- I see this as Penny / Miller / Madlock recruit, Penny tells Crews what to draw up, and Crews executes Penny's vision.
- He's 64 and likely not getting another HC shot, but he loves the game and knows hard nosed defense. I think he'd be a better pick in some ways than Brown.

Others who are worth a call.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Johnson
- Successful at most stops, experienced.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruiser_Flint
- Won at Drexel for a while, downside is he is a former Cal guy, not sure I want Cal guys on staff in this recruiting cycle.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Donlon
- Would he leave Northwestern?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thompson_III
- legacy, might be able to help some half court motions, would open DC recruiting
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thad_Matta
- Probably won't take it, waiting for a HC job he likes, basically turned down Georgia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brady_(basketball)
- knows the area won some games at Samford / LSU
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Kennedy_(basketball)
- LOL why not?

Would have loved to have called Rob Jeter... but he just went to Minny...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Jeter assistant under Pearl...

<<< EDIT (4/12 - 9:11 ET): >>>

1. From Hometown Tiger (hat tip)

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Shyatt
- two 5 year HC gigs (Clemson / Wyoming)
- Now a Dallas Assistant, would a college assistant pay as much as a NBA assistant?
- this doesn't look helpful... https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/assis...KO0,26.htm

- http://seminoles.com/staff/stan-jones/
- Never been a HC it looks like, but 22 years as a top assistant ain't shabby...
- Memphis alum.. would he come home?

I'll also add...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Eustachy
- He's a great coach, needs to rehab his brand
- A head assistant job might make the nut.
- Worth a thought...

<<< Edit #2 9:20p on 4/12 >>>

Hat tip to WColt45

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Roccaforte
- 5 years HC at Lamar
- Works under Buzz at VT now, also a former Cal guy
- supposedly a great recruiter

Still, not a bad choice. I'll add to initial post

<<< Edit #3 - 1:43 am 4/13 Friday >>>

Hat tip to UofMemphis

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Heath
- HC at 3 stops (Kent, Ark, USF) for a total of 13 years.
- Current G League HC

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hewitt
- HC at 3 stops (Siena, GT, Mason) for a total of 18 years
- Currently available

Hat tip to dannyb73

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Waters
- HC at 3 stops (Kent, Rutgers, Cleveland St) for a total of 21 years
- Currently retired (66 yo)

Hat tip to steves

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murry_Bartow
- HC at 3 stops (UAB, ETSU, USF - interim) for a total 18 years + 1 interim half year
- Currently available

<<< End EDIT >>>

Lists to think about:

Coaching changes 2017:
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...suz5gi9nia

Coaching changes 2016:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...g-changes/

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Who do you think would be a good lead assistant / AHC?

Rick Majerus wouldn't stop calling the U of M, "Memphis State".

John Lucas? Was a mentor to a young Penny.

(04-13-2018 10:54 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I like the idea of both Paul Hewitt and John Brady because both coached a team to the Final Four...that is not an easy task

Assuming you are saying Hewitt went to Final4 as assistant to Larranaga at George Mason. Spent some time with Team USA also. Brady did have Final4 as HC with LSU. I'd be great with either.

Hopefully Penny finds a guy that he can relate to and trust.

Larry Shyatt was a huge get for a young Billy Donovan and was key to the two NC at Florida. Tim Grgurich was huge for the dominate UNLV teams proving AC that failed at a HEad coaching job can bring a lot to the table. That being said, I like Larry Brown.

(04-13-2018 01:36 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 10:54 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I like the idea of both Paul Hewitt and John Brady because both coached a team to the Final Four...that is not an easy task

Assuming you are saying Hewitt went to Final4 as assistant to Larranaga at George Mason. Spent some time with Team USA also. Brady did have Final4 as HC with LSU. I'd be great with either.

Hopefully Penny finds a guy that he can relate to and trust.

Paul Hewitt was at Georgia Tech when he went to the FF. Chris Bosh and Jarrett Jack was on that team.

(04-13-2018 01:26 PM)tigertrails Wrote:  John Lucas? Was a mentor to a young Penny.

http://www.espn929.com/media/audio-chann...iday-33018

Good interview. Apparently Penny called him prior to taking MEMPHIS HC job. He discussed the mentoring aspect of coaching. He said it was different than AAU and HS coaching. He discussed teaching with the use of confronting people to encourage development. He encouraged Penny to make quality hires rather than friend hires. He is full of knowledge. Easy to respect him. Would be a great asset. He sounds OLD in the interview. Maybe he was sick. Wikipedia says he's 64.

Good suggestion. He's solid.

Can we get a list of the Daddy Bowen approved coaches?

(04-13-2018 01:51 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Can we get a list of the Daddy Bowen approved coaches?

He didn’t seem to have a problem with Saul Smith.

lol

Uh oh. For a sec, I thought about posting that recruiting tool tweet where Pooh grabs his crotch....

'we're coming to a gym near you'

(04-13-2018 01:51 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Can we get a list of the Daddy Bowen approved coaches?

Sure.

1. Tubby

2. see #1

(04-13-2018 02:07 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 01:51 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Can we get a list of the Daddy Bowen approved coaches?

He didn’t seem to have a problem with Saul Smith.

because Tubby was HIS guy

and he failed in a publicly humiliating way, so much so that his boss had to clean up his mess

(04-13-2018 02:37 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 02:07 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 01:51 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Can we get a list of the Daddy Bowen approved coaches?

He didn’t seem to have a problem with Saul Smith.

because Tubby was HIS guy

and he failed in a publicly humiliating way, so much so that his boss had to clean up his mess

It's about respect. He respected Tubby enough to make his own decisions but doesn't respect Penny. If Tubby wanted Brown as an assistant he would have gotten him no questions asked.

(04-13-2018 02:57 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 02:37 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 02:07 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 01:51 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Can we get a list of the Daddy Bowen approved coaches?

He didn’t seem to have a problem with Saul Smith.

because Tubby was HIS guy

and he failed in a publicly humiliating way, so much so that his boss had to clean up his mess

It's about respect. He respected Tubby enough to make his own decisions but doesn't respect Penny. If Tubby wanted Brown as an assistant he would have gotten him no questions asked.

I don't have a link but I get the same sense

Usually once Memphis turns on you, your days are numbered - we're unique that way

ask Josh and Tubby

(04-13-2018 03:03 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 02:57 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 02:37 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 02:07 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 01:51 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Can we get a list of the Daddy Bowen approved coaches?

He didn’t seem to have a problem with Saul Smith.

because Tubby was HIS guy

and he failed in a publicly humiliating way, so much so that his boss had to clean up his mess

It's about respect. He respected Tubby enough to make his own decisions but doesn't respect Penny. If Tubby wanted Brown as an assistant he would have gotten him no questions asked.

I don't have a link but I get the same sense

Usually once Memphis turns on you, your days are numbered - we're unique that way

ask Josh and Tubby

Just saw a TUG tweet and about spit.

This guy is hilarious.

Jimmy Patsos

(04-13-2018 01:47 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 01:26 PM)tigertrails Wrote:  John Lucas? Was a mentor to a young Penny.

http://www.espn929.com/media/audio-chann...iday-33018

Good interview. Apparently Penny called him prior to taking MEMPHIS HC job. He discussed the mentoring aspect of coaching. He said it was different than AAU and HS coaching. He discussed teaching with the use of confronting people to encourage development. He encouraged Penny to make quality hires rather than friend hires. He is full of knowledge. Easy to respect him. Would be a great asset. He sounds OLD in the interview. Maybe he was sick. Wikipedia says he's 64.

Good suggestion. He's solid.

I'm down, he's only been a HC in the pros, not in D1 (I prefer a guy with D1 experience), but he's both an icon and a respected figure.
Oddly, this would make the Brown hire of a consultant gig a little more palatable...

(04-13-2018 01:51 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Can we get a list of the Daddy Bowen approved coaches?

While this whole situation is tough, we don't know it's Bowen, it could be a different decision maker.
Still, frustrating obviously.

(04-13-2018 04:00 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jimmy Patsos

Since he resigned under a cloud, I'm not currently going to include him on the front post, but I like him and he can coach.
Stick a pin in it.

Edit, screw it, sure let's throw him on the board...

Paul Westhead