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(04-03-2018 11:14 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 10:46 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 09:28 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:01 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I just want to point out that I am not at all excusing our program's choke job in the tournament this year with my prior comment if anyone is implying that.

Nobody is excusing this year's debacle.

However, the original discussion point was whether or not just making it FARTHER into the tournament is somehow better than losing in an early round.

Are Michigan people feeling exceedingly joyful this morning because they get to hoist yet another RUNNER UP banner?

I say no. There's one winner and everyone else is a loser.

Are you the spokesperson for Michigan's fanbase?

Sure they are disappointed. However, the vast majority of those fans are happy to see a great run and hoist another F4 banner/Runner-up banner. Very few fanbases are unhappy unless they hoist the NC, i.e. UK, UNC or Dook.

Well lets just aim low, so we can all be happy.

Why does UConn STILL look down their noses at the rest of us during basketball season? Because they've WON it since the last ice age.

And yeah, I'm sure Loyola of Chicago is giddy with their results. They're now an automatic national powerhouse, right?

Yes, Loyola is giddy with their results. Read any number of articles out there. Aside from the $8.5 million payout for making the final 4 (for the conference), interest in Loyola is at an all time high:

Cates says Loyola is considering doing a study that would put a price tag on the benefits of a tournament run; schools like George Mason, Butler and the University of Connecticut have reportedly done studies that peg the figure in the hundreds of millions, even a billion dollars, in additional alumni donations, public funding and media exposure – and they didn’t have a media darling like team chaplain Sister Jean.

(According to Loyola, the Bobblehead Hall of Fame and Museum says the Sister Jean bobblehead is its all-time best-seller; 29 licensees have requested a contract with Loyola since March 1, and places that never before stocked Loyola merchandise, including local Target, Walmart and Dick’s Sporting Goods stores, now do. The university has gained more than 19,000 new followers on social media since March 10, and scored more than 9 million “impressions” on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram).

“The exposure that we got will just help with that name recognition for people,” said assistant athletic director for communications Bill Behrns. “There being a few different Loyolas in the country, sometimes we often get confused with Loyola Maryland, there’s a Loyola Marymount, there’s a Loyola in New Orleans.”

https://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2018/04/...l-four-run

Not as good as winning the National Championship to be sure, but a far sight better than going home on the first weekend.

I can't believe this is a thread. It must be because it's baseball season.

(04-03-2018 11:11 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 09:28 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:01 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I just want to point out that I am not at all excusing our program's choke job in the tournament this year with my prior comment if anyone is implying that.

Nobody is excusing this year's debacle.

However, the original discussion point was whether or not just making it FARTHER into the tournament is somehow better than losing in an early round.

Are Michigan people feeling exceedingly joyful this morning because they get to hoist yet another RUNNER UP banner?

I say no. There's one winner and everyone else is a loser.

Better let the Olympic Committee know so they can eliminate Silver and Bronze medals if only the top spot matters.

Relating this to UC, I was around for the '92 Final Four. It energized the University and the City of Cincinnati much more than I would have ever expected. All of a sudden it was fashionable to wear UC gear again. More importantly, it demonstrated that the great success of the late 50's and early 60's wasn't just an event but a tradition which the program could both aspire to and then achieve decades later.

We hung a banner for it in 5th/3rd while other major universities were hanging participation banners. UC has six now; let's go ask any X fan if they'd like to hang just one. Advancing in March matters, on many levels.

So true... this argument is so insane, especially in college basketball. Hell alot ot people would tell you Arizona is far and away a better program than UCLA, despite UCLA being 11-1 in championships vs Zona. Kansas is considered a top 3 historical basketball program despite only having 3 titles. Gonzaga is now a house hold name, and they have never one a title.

(04-03-2018 11:11 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 09:28 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:01 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I just want to point out that I am not at all excusing our program's choke job in the tournament this year with my prior comment if anyone is implying that.

Nobody is excusing this year's debacle.

However, the original discussion point was whether or not just making it FARTHER into the tournament is somehow better than losing in an early round.

Are Michigan people feeling exceedingly joyful this morning because they get to hoist yet another RUNNER UP banner?

I say no. There's one winner and everyone else is a loser.

Better let the Olympic Committee know so they can eliminate Silver and Bronze medals if only the top spot matters.

Relating this to UC, I was around for the '92 Final Four. It energized the University and the City of Cincinnati much more than I would have ever expected. All of a sudden it was fashionable to wear UC gear again. More importantly, it demonstrated that the great success of the late 50's and early 60's wasn't just an event but a tradition which the program could both aspire to and then achieve decades later.

We hung a banner for it in 5th/3rd while other major universities were hanging participation banners. UC has six now; let's go ask any X fan if they'd like to hang just one. Advancing in March matters, on many levels.

And the impact goes beyond even that. "On many levels" is absolutely right. I can tell you from personal experience that without that 1992 run, myself, my sister, and my brother-in-law would not have ended up moving to Cincinnati from SW Missouri and eventually graduating from UC. To be honest, we barely knew the school existed prior to that. And that falls into the tangible benefit. The "intangible" is the fun and joy experienced through that final four or championship game run. Any fan who says they'd rather lose early than experience that run needs to seriously re-evaluate some things.

I have always felt because of how big the Final Four is that making the Final Four is a massive accomplishment. I look at the 92 reunion and it kind of reinforced that, we're not bringing any other teams back for reunions. To me first, second, third, and fourth rounds are all the same, you didn't make a significant accomplishment in the tournament. That said we need to go to a lot more third and fourth rounds because you can't get to the Final Four if you don't.

I also feel like it varies by level of program. I wouldn't expect Kentucky to bring back Final Four teams that didn't win it. A Final Four is not a program changing accomplishment. And a mid major probably considers Sweet 16 as a huge accomplishment. For us as a 10-20 all time program making the Final Four is what I'd consider a historic accomplishment.

(04-03-2018 09:56 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 11:24 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Good god. Now we are drawing comparisons to Villanova to make ourselves feel better? Right. 2 Freaking Nattis in 5 years, yeah, would hate to be them. At least their style of play is exciting to watch.

Huh?

The point is nova consistently put out great teams in recent history. Those early losses didn't change the fact that they were a real threat each year. It's not about feeling better about uc. Nova had way more top 5 to 10 type teams than uc has had under Mick before breaking through. Mick needs more teams like this year. If he does that we'll eventually see results in March. If not we still may see some occasionally runs but never be the true that.

bro this isn't 2010. mick had more than enough time to roster great teams. the man has basically told us he doesn't really care about championships. What other coach would keep same assistant coaches and as group only 1 league title.

(04-03-2018 12:50 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 09:56 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 11:24 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Good god. Now we are drawing comparisons to Villanova to make ourselves feel better? Right. 2 Freaking Nattis in 5 years, yeah, would hate to be them. At least their style of play is exciting to watch.

Huh?

The point is nova consistently put out great teams in recent history. Those early losses didn't change the fact that they were a real threat each year. It's not about feeling better about uc. Nova had way more top 5 to 10 type teams than uc has had under Mick before breaking through. Mick needs more teams like this year. If he does that we'll eventually see results in March. If not we still may see some occasionally runs but never be the true that.

bro this isn't 2010. mick had more than enough time to roster great teams. the man has basically told us he doesn't really care about championships. What other coach would keep same assistant coaches and as group only 1 league title.

On top of that, Cronin is uninspiring and has NO cred with the blue chip kids...but...he's tenured....he has this job until he wants to leave...

The AD and the BOT have decided that:

1. A clean program is all that matters.
2. The players should be model citizens.
3. The coach can't drink or fool around...at least not publicly...(Has anyone spoken to Curtis Bostic?)
4. Winning in the post season IS NOT A PRIORITY.

The only thing that will move the needle is sagging revenue. That's what moved the needle last time.

I went to those games in the Gardens in the 80's...it was so quiet that the players could hear you TALKING...so you didn't want to disparage them, or they might be able to pick you out from the direction the comments came from....

I remember losses to UMKC, University of Chicago (Circle), and on, and on. I attended every game of the 3-25 season.

Those were the days.

Yates could recruit, but couldn't coach (or didn't want to coach). Does that sound familiar?

I'll wait until the new arena is less than half-full against top flight competition on a regular basis....then they MIGHT show Cronin the door.

(04-03-2018 09:56 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 11:24 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Good god. Now we are drawing comparisons to Villanova to make ourselves feel better? Right. 2 Freaking Nattis in 5 years, yeah, would hate to be them. At least their style of play is exciting to watch.

Huh?

The point is nova consistently put out great teams in recent history. Those early losses didn't change the fact that they were a real threat each year. It's not about feeling better about uc. Nova had way more top 5 to 10 type teams than uc has had under Mick before breaking through. Mick needs more teams like this year. If he does that we'll eventually see results in March. If not we still may see some occasionally runs but never be the true that.

Exactly. Consistently put out top teams with high seeds. Something Mick has not done. If there were ever a year Mick needed to make a run, this was it.

(04-03-2018 05:29 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 12:50 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 09:56 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 11:24 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  Good god. Now we are drawing comparisons to Villanova to make ourselves feel better? Right. 2 Freaking Nattis in 5 years, yeah, would hate to be them. At least their style of play is exciting to watch.

Huh?

The point is nova consistently put out great teams in recent history. Those early losses didn't change the fact that they were a real threat each year. It's not about feeling better about uc. Nova had way more top 5 to 10 type teams than uc has had under Mick before breaking through. Mick needs more teams like this year. If he does that we'll eventually see results in March. If not we still may see some occasionally runs but never be the true that.

bro this isn't 2010. mick had more than enough time to roster great teams. the man has basically told us he doesn't really care about championships. What other coach would keep same assistant coaches and as group only 1 league title.

On top of that, Cronin is uninspiring and has NO cred with the blue chip kids...but...he's tenured....he has this job until he wants to leave...

The AD and the BOT have decided that:

1. A clean program is all that matters.
2. The players should be model citizens.
3. The coach can't drink or fool around...at least not publicly...(Has anyone spoken to Curtis Bostic?)
4. Winning in the post season IS NOT A PRIORITY.

The only thing that will move the needle is sagging revenue. That's what moved the needle last time.

I went to those games in the Gardens in the 80's...it was so quiet that the players could hear you TALKING...so you didn't want to disparage them, or they might be able to pick you out from the direction the comments came from....

I remember losses to UMKC, University of Chicago (Circle), and on, and on. I attended every game of the 3-25 season.

Those were the days.

Yates could recruit, but couldn't coach (or didn't want to coach). Does that sound familiar?

I'll wait until the new arena is less than half-full against top flight competition on a regular basis....then they MIGHT show Cronin the door.

You know, I'm not a huge Cronin fan. But I experienced the Yates years first hand. There is no comparison between Yates and Cronin when it comes to coaching.

I'm still not over the embarrassing collapse and subsequent Nevada loss, but UC did win 31 games this year as well as league and league tournament championships. Yates never remotely go close to either of those.

The AAC put out a tweet about having 3 ranked teams to end the year. They had screen shots of all 3 coaches. Guess who was the one who looked like his head was about to explode as he screamed at someone? This absolutely has to change. It's old, it does not work, and it is comical at this point.

(04-03-2018 08:28 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  The AAC put out a tweet about having 3 ranked teams to end the year. They had screen shots of all 3 coaches. Guess who was the one who looked like his head was about to explode as he screamed at someone? This absolutely has to change. It's old, it does not work, and it is comical at this point.

That's about all you see once the cupcake schedule ends. I got tired of Huggins late years here spending nearly all of his time yelling at refs - especially during timeouts. I admit I am tiring of Cronin yelling at players, coaches, refs, etc.

(04-03-2018 11:29 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:14 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 10:46 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 09:28 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:01 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I just want to point out that I am not at all excusing our program's choke job in the tournament this year with my prior comment if anyone is implying that.

Nobody is excusing this year's debacle.

However, the original discussion point was whether or not just making it FARTHER into the tournament is somehow better than losing in an early round.

Are Michigan people feeling exceedingly joyful this morning because they get to hoist yet another RUNNER UP banner?

I say no. There's one winner and everyone else is a loser.

Are you the spokesperson for Michigan's fanbase?

Sure they are disappointed. However, the vast majority of those fans are happy to see a great run and hoist another F4 banner/Runner-up banner. Very few fanbases are unhappy unless they hoist the NC, i.e. UK, UNC or Dook.

Well lets just aim low, so we can all be happy.

Why does UConn STILL look down their noses at the rest of us during basketball season? Because they've WON it since the last ice age.

And yeah, I'm sure Loyola of Chicago is giddy with their results. They're now an automatic national powerhouse, right?

Yes, Loyola is giddy with their results. Read any number of articles out there. Aside from the $8.5 million payout for making the final 4 (for the conference), interest in Loyola is at an all time high:

Cates says Loyola is considering doing a study that would put a price tag on the benefits of a tournament run; schools like George Mason, Butler and the University of Connecticut have reportedly done studies that peg the figure in the hundreds of millions, even a billion dollars, in additional alumni donations, public funding and media exposure – and they didn’t have a media darling like team chaplain Sister Jean.

(According to Loyola, the Bobblehead Hall of Fame and Museum says the Sister Jean bobblehead is its all-time best-seller; 29 licensees have requested a contract with Loyola since March 1, and places that never before stocked Loyola merchandise, including local Target, Walmart and Dick’s Sporting Goods stores, now do. The university has gained more than 19,000 new followers on social media since March 10, and scored more than 9 million “impressions” on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram).

“The exposure that we got will just help with that name recognition for people,” said assistant athletic director for communications Bill Behrns. “There being a few different Loyolas in the country, sometimes we often get confused with Loyola Maryland, there’s a Loyola Marymount, there’s a Loyola in New Orleans.”

https://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2018/04/...l-four-run

Not as good as winning the National Championship to be sure, but a far sight better than going home on the first weekend.

It's the Flutie Effect. It is real, but it's transitory and does little to nothing to fundamentally move the metrics of the university forward. I guarantee that Loyola will get a bump in applications for the next two to three years. I also guarantee that their applicant pool, while increasing in terms of size, won't increase in terms of quality. They might lure away some kids who otherwise might have gone to DePaul or Illinois-Chicago, but they're not taking any kids away from Northwestern or UIUC. Their athletic department will see a spike in donations. The academic side won't, and might even see a negative influence as athletic donations crowd out academic donations.

(04-03-2018 11:14 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 10:46 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 09:28 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:01 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I just want to point out that I am not at all excusing our program's choke job in the tournament this year with my prior comment if anyone is implying that.

Nobody is excusing this year's debacle.

However, the original discussion point was whether or not just making it FARTHER into the tournament is somehow better than losing in an early round.

Are Michigan people feeling exceedingly joyful this morning because they get to hoist yet another RUNNER UP banner?

I say no. There's one winner and everyone else is a loser.

Are you the spokesperson for Michigan's fanbase?

Sure they are disappointed. However, the vast majority of those fans are happy to see a great run and hoist another F4 banner/Runner-up banner. Very few fanbases are unhappy unless they hoist the NC, i.e. UK, UNC or Dook.

Well lets just aim low, so we can all be happy.

Why does UConn STILL look down their noses at the rest of us during basketball season? Because they've WON it since the last ice age.

And yeah, I'm sure Loyola of Chicago is giddy with their results. They're now an automatic national powerhouse, right?

Keep banging that drum. Aim low? Aiming low is saying you would rather lose in the 2nd round than making a Final 4. If you can’t see Loyola’s run was special, I have bucket of sand you can stick your head into.

(04-03-2018 11:30 AM)applegbt Wrote:  I can't believe this is a thread. It must be because it's baseball season.

I think Derf is either Lance, Micks brother or Mick himself

(04-03-2018 11:03 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:30 AM)applegbt Wrote:  I can't believe this is a thread. It must be because it's baseball season.

I think Derf is either Lance, Micks brother or Mick himself

Whoever it is, their tone makes me think they came here to pick a fight.

(04-04-2018 08:15 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:03 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:30 AM)applegbt Wrote:  I can't believe this is a thread. It must be because it's baseball season.

I think Derf is either Lance, Micks brother or Mick himself

Whoever it is, their tone makes me think they came here to pick a fight.

Jeeminy Christmas. Excuse me for trying to start a discussion here by offering a different viewpoint. I wont make that mistake again.

Just par for the course nowdays. Any one who thinks different than you do is an idiot that needs to be stomped out.

You just go ahead patting yourselves on the back and puffing your chests out knowing that you're always the smartest guys in the room. God help the guy that disagrees with you.

(04-04-2018 10:05 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:15 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:03 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:30 AM)applegbt Wrote:  I can't believe this is a thread. It must be because it's baseball season.

I think Derf is either Lance, Micks brother or Mick himself

Whoever it is, their tone makes me think they came here to pick a fight.

Jeeminy Christmas. Excuse me for trying to start a discussion here by offering a different viewpoint. I wont make that mistake again.

Just par for the course nowdays. Any one who thinks different than you do is an idiot that needs to be stomped out.

You just go ahead patting yourselves on the back and puffing your chests out knowing that you're always the smartest guys in the room. God help the guy that disagrees with you.

Goes both ways. You might want to reread your posts.

(04-04-2018 10:07 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:05 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:15 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:03 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:30 AM)applegbt Wrote:  I can't believe this is a thread. It must be because it's baseball season.

I think Derf is either Lance, Micks brother or Mick himself

Whoever it is, their tone makes me think they came here to pick a fight.

Jeeminy Christmas. Excuse me for trying to start a discussion here by offering a different viewpoint. I wont make that mistake again.

Just par for the course nowdays. Any one who thinks different than you do is an idiot that needs to be stomped out.

You just go ahead patting yourselves on the back and puffing your chests out knowing that you're always the smartest guys in the room. God help the guy that disagrees with you.

Goes both ways. You might want to reread your posts.

It's called having a viewpoint. Last I checked it was still allowed.

(04-04-2018 10:09 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:07 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:05 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:15 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 11:03 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  I think Derf is either Lance, Micks brother or Mick himself

Whoever it is, their tone makes me think they came here to pick a fight.

Jeeminy Christmas. Excuse me for trying to start a discussion here by offering a different viewpoint. I wont make that mistake again.

Just par for the course nowdays. Any one who thinks different than you do is an idiot that needs to be stomped out.

You just go ahead patting yourselves on the back and puffing your chests out knowing that you're always the smartest guys in the room. God help the guy that disagrees with you.

Goes both ways. You might want to reread your posts.

It's called having a viewpoint. Last I checked it was still allowed.

Do you see how your complaint is circular? You are mad that others offer a different view than your own. You go to great lengths to point this out over and over again. You can offer a viewpoint. Others are also allowed to question your views. It's called a message board.

(04-04-2018 10:15 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:09 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:07 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:05 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:15 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Whoever it is, their tone makes me think they came here to pick a fight.

Jeeminy Christmas. Excuse me for trying to start a discussion here by offering a different viewpoint. I wont make that mistake again.

Just par for the course nowdays. Any one who thinks different than you do is an idiot that needs to be stomped out.

You just go ahead patting yourselves on the back and puffing your chests out knowing that you're always the smartest guys in the room. God help the guy that disagrees with you.

Goes both ways. You might want to reread your posts.

It's called having a viewpoint. Last I checked it was still allowed.

Do you see how your complaint is circular? You are mad that others offer a different view than your own. You go to great lengths to point this out over and over again. You can offer a viewpoint. Others are also allowed to question your views. It's called a message board.

No... I'm mad about being called names, mocked, and being told I can stuff my head in a bucket of sand.

That's the kind of pack mentality BS that is unnecessary.

So you all don't like my opinion. Big deal. I don't care. Everybody always claims they like open and frank discussions... until they get one.