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RE: Anyone catch Jim Calhoun on the Gottlieb radio show today?
(04-03-2018 07:32 AM)johnbragg Wrote: (04-02-2018 10:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (04-02-2018 07:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (04-02-2018 02:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote: The Real College Football National Championship, recognized by, among others, Florida Governor Scott, the UMBC twitter account, the DisneyLand office that organizes parades, Mike Bianchi, Colley Matrix, Florida state legislature.
Go ahead and laugh, but its more than anybody in the G5 (plus half the P5)
not named Boise has done in the last few decades.
Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.
If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.
That's it.
I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.
So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.
Laugh all you want, but by your standards, Alabama has to take down a couple of banners, and a dozen other schools have to withdraw their national championship claims that are MUCH flimsier than UCF's
First, I agree that Alabama and others claim flimsy national titles too. But the solution to that isn't to validate UCF's absurd claim, it's to denounce and laugh at Alabama's absurd claim(s)
Second, when calling a historical claim flimsy, you have to be aware of the standards of the time. Times have changed, and polls and organizations that had credibility in say 1955 may not have it today, so a claim based on one of those organizations for a 1955 title might *look* flimsy from a 2018 point of view, but could have been quite valid in 1955, which is really the relevant point of view, not our hindsight.
But from the 1970s onwards, the standard has been clear: If you don't win the coach or AP vote, you don't have a claim for a share of the title.
If that poll was so credible in 1955, you would have hung a banner in 1955. Not 50 years later when some obsessive trolls through a record book and notices something.
EDIT: None of which has anything do to with my point, which is that UCF has (accepting your argument for the moment) a fake National Championship, something no other G5 can claim in the last 30 years.
First, I agree, if a school didn't claim a title in 1955, only much later, that is strong evidence that in 1955 not even they regarded themselves as having won a legit share of the title that year, meaning the later claim is surely bogus.
Second, I'm not sure what makes UCF last year more deserving of claiming a fake title than Tulane in 1998, or especially TCU in 2010 or Boise in 2006 and 2009, or Utah 2008.
In particular, Boise 2006, Utah 2008, and TCU 2010 all had better seasons than UCF last year, and beat better opponents in their NY6 bowl games (Boise beat Big 12 champ OU, TCU beat B1G co-champ Wisconsin, Utah beat one-loss Alabama). They all finished higher in the final AP/Coaches rankings than UCF.
The only difference is, those G5 had the class and common sense not to claim something they hadn't actually gotten.
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