(04-02-2018 11:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 10:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:24 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Finally, it's quite possible the AAC would let UConn stay as football only. They really don't have many other options. That said, UConn's decision has to assume that they would need to go independent.

I think they would. Heck, I wonder if by the conference bylaws they could even kick them out if they wanted? The Navy and WSU precedents could make the difficult, legally and in the eyes of the public.

But yes, the AAC certainly would bluster that if UConn removed their hoops all other sports must go as well, so like you say, they would have to plan for a worst-case scenario of independent football.

This is like saying the AAC would keep ECU basketball around if ECU decided to go independent in football. UConn has tremendous brand value in basketball. on the other hand---UConn was playing FCS football less than 20 years ago. Its football brand is far far less developed than their basketball brand. If I were UConn, I'd assume football independence would be necessary in a move to Big East.

ECU really has no brand value of any kind these days, football or basketball.

UConn is UConn, the brand they built in hoops has rubbed off to an extent on football. Plus, they are a good academic school, a flagship, and have easily the biggest athletic budget. Not comparable to ECU in any way.

(04-02-2018 02:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 11:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 10:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:24 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Finally, it's quite possible the AAC would let UConn stay as football only. They really don't have many other options. That said, UConn's decision has to assume that they would need to go independent.

I think they would. Heck, I wonder if by the conference bylaws they could even kick them out if they wanted? The Navy and WSU precedents could make the difficult, legally and in the eyes of the public.

But yes, the AAC certainly would bluster that if UConn removed their hoops all other sports must go as well, so like you say, they would have to plan for a worst-case scenario of independent football.

This is like saying the AAC would keep ECU basketball around if ECU decided to go independent in football. UConn has tremendous brand value in basketball. on the other hand---UConn was playing FCS football less than 20 years ago. Its football brand is far far less developed than their basketball brand. If I were UConn, I'd assume football independence would be necessary in a move to Big East.

ECU really has no brand value of any kind these days, football or basketball.

UConn is UConn, the brand they built in hoops has rubbed off to an extent on football. Plus, they are a good academic school, a flagship, and have easily the biggest athletic budget. Not comparable to ECU in any way.

UConn has absolutely no brand in football. NONE.

As far as your claim that the AAC wouldn't have the right to kick them out- of course they would. They would, and they absolutely would use that right to do just that. And UConn probably knows that. Anyone with a functional brain knows that. But you see, you want UConn in the Big East so bad that you think the AAC would screw themselves to allow UConn to do it. The AAC isn't going to help UConn in any fashion. Why should they?

(04-02-2018 02:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  As far as your claim that the AAC wouldn't have the right to kick them out- of course they would. They would, and they absolutely would use that right to do just that. And UConn probably knows that. Anyone with a functional brain knows that. But you see, you want UConn in the Big East so bad that you think the AAC would screw themselves to allow UConn to do it. The AAC isn't going to help UConn in any fashion. Why should they?

The AAC wouldn't actually have to kick anyone out. UConn would be withdrawing from membership in the AAC and then, if indications were they had the votes, applying for membership as an affiliate in football. They can't partially withdraw and claim squatters' rights on football. If the AAC didn't want them as a football affiliate all they would have to do is literally nothing, which is much easier than expelling a member.

AAC should do this if UConn leaves:

AAC East
Temple Owls
Cincinnati Bearcats
Old Dominion Monarchs
East Carolina Pirates
UCF Knights
South Florida Bulls

AAC West
Navy Midshipmen/Wichita State Shockers
Memphis Tigers
Tulane Green Wave
Tulsa Golden Hurricane
Houston Cougars
SMU Mustangs

AAC remains 12 for basketball and football.

(04-02-2018 02:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 10:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Am I wrong in making UCF, 2017 College Football National Champions ..

Remind me again - was it the CFP title they won? Or AP or Coaches? I forget.

The Real College Football National Championship, recognized by, among others, Florida Governor Scott, the UMBC twitter account, the DisneyLand office that organizes parades, Mike Bianchi, Colley Matrix, Florida state legislature.

Go ahead and laugh, but its more than anybody in the G5 (plus half the P5)
not named Boise has done in the last few decades.

Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.

That's it.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the Good 'Ol NFF MacArthur Bowl counts for something to.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Well but hold on, the AP, Coaches, etc. all of that was systematically rolled into CFP. The Associated Press could not select UCF as the champion even if they wanted to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they could even put UCF in the top four (because they were not a playoff team selected by the CFP committee).

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 10:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Am I wrong in making UCF, 2017 College Football National Champions ..

Remind me again - was it the CFP title they won? Or AP or Coaches? I forget.

The Real College Football National Championship, recognized by, among others, Florida Governor Scott, the UMBC twitter account, the DisneyLand office that organizes parades, Mike Bianchi, Colley Matrix, Florida state legislature.

Go ahead and laugh, but its more than anybody in the G5 (plus half the P5)
not named Boise has done in the last few decades.

Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.

That's it.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Laugh all you want, but by your standards, Alabama has to take down a couple of banners, and a dozen other schools have to withdraw their national championship claims that are MUCH flimsier than UCF's

(04-02-2018 07:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 10:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Am I wrong in making UCF, 2017 College Football National Champions ..

Remind me again - was it the CFP title they won? Or AP or Coaches? I forget.

The Real College Football National Championship, recognized by, among others, Florida Governor Scott, the UMBC twitter account, the DisneyLand office that organizes parades, Mike Bianchi, Colley Matrix, Florida state legislature.

Go ahead and laugh, but its more than anybody in the G5 (plus half the P5)
not named Boise has done in the last few decades.

Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.

That's it.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Laugh all you want, but by your standards, Alabama has to take down a couple of banners, and a dozen other schools have to withdraw their national championship claims that are MUCH flimsier than UCF's

Help me out here. I have searched and searched on line, but I can't find anything called the "Real College Football National Championship". Is this just something on Twitter, because I don't do twitter.

Wait - I get it. This is a belated April Fool's joke. You had us going for a minute there.

(04-02-2018 08:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 07:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

Remind me again - was it the CFP title they won? Or AP or Coaches? I forget.

The Real College Football National Championship, recognized by, among others, Florida Governor Scott, the UMBC twitter account, the DisneyLand office that organizes parades, Mike Bianchi, Colley Matrix, Florida state legislature.

Go ahead and laugh, but its more than anybody in the G5 (plus half the P5)
not named Boise has done in the last few decades.

Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.

That's it.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Laugh all you want, but by your standards, Alabama has to take down a couple of banners, and a dozen other schools have to withdraw their national championship claims that are MUCH flimsier than UCF's

Help me out here. I have searched and searched on line, but I can't find anything called the "Real College Football National Championship". Is this just something on Twitter, because I don't do twitter.

Wait - I get it. This is a belated April Fool's joke. You had us going for a minute there.

Yeah, I shouldn't have capitalized the "r". That does make it sound like an official thing.

(04-02-2018 08:04 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 08:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 07:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  The Real College Football National Championship, recognized by, among others, Florida Governor Scott, the UMBC twitter account, the DisneyLand office that organizes parades, Mike Bianchi, Colley Matrix, Florida state legislature.

Go ahead and laugh, but its more than anybody in the G5 (plus half the P5)
not named Boise has done in the last few decades.

Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.

That's it.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Laugh all you want, but by your standards, Alabama has to take down a couple of banners, and a dozen other schools have to withdraw their national championship claims that are MUCH flimsier than UCF's

Help me out here. I have searched and searched on line, but I can't find anything called the "Real College Football National Championship". Is this just something on Twitter, because I don't do twitter.

Wait - I get it. This is a belated April Fool's joke. You had us going for a minute there.

Yeah, I shouldn't have capitalized the "r". That does make it sound like an official thing.

I get why the Florida governor, legislature and Disney are all in on this. But UMBC? What's up with that? And I don't know who this Bianchi guy is, but I'll try to google him.

(04-02-2018 08:07 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 08:04 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 08:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 07:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.

That's it.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Laugh all you want, but by your standards, Alabama has to take down a couple of banners, and a dozen other schools have to withdraw their national championship claims that are MUCH flimsier than UCF's

Help me out here. I have searched and searched on line, but I can't find anything called the "Real College Football National Championship". Is this just something on Twitter, because I don't do twitter.

Wait - I get it. This is a belated April Fool's joke. You had us going for a minute there.

Yeah, I shouldn't have capitalized the "r". That does make it sound like an official thing.

I get why the Florida governor, legislature and Disney are all in on this. But UMBC? What's up with that? And I don't know who this Bianchi guy is, but I'll try to google him.

Bianchi is a writer for the Orlando Sentinel. He also has some sort of a national profile. UMBC's twitter guy was on fire the day or two after they beat Virginia, and this happened:

https://twitter.com/UMBCAthletics/status...9873759233

Quote:@UCFKnights Amazing what happens when an under “dog” gets a fair shot in an expanded playoff ?

Congrats on the history, @UMBCAthletics

[/quote]

Quote:@UMBCAthletics Coming from the National Champions, this means a lot.

(04-02-2018 11:18 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 11:12 AM)PDNJ Wrote:  If UConn were to go Indy route in football (and BE for Oly sports), one scenario to entice teams would be to set up a marquee "home" game each year at Yankee Stadium with a national program, a Texas or Alabama or Michigan. That home and home scenario would add slots in addition to filling out with the other Indy teams and select regional rivals.

Can't use Yankee Stadium in September and October- and those teams aren't going to NYC in November.

Just use CitiField...it is always available in October.

(04-02-2018 06:26 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the Good 'Ol NFF MacArthur Bowl counts for something to.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Well but hold on, the AP, Coaches, etc. all of that was systematically rolled into CFP. The Associated Press could not select UCF as the champion even if they wanted to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they could even put UCF in the top four (because they were not a playoff team selected by the CFP committee).

Since you're wrong, I'll correct you, LOL: The AP and Coaches polls are completely independent of the CFP. They aren't required to vote for whoever wins the CFP or anything of the kind. Each could have voted UCF #1 if they wanted, regardless of the fact that UCF was not selected for the playoffs.

It's not like the old BCS, where the coaches were contractually required to vote the BCS champion as their national champion. Totally independent.

(04-02-2018 07:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 10:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Am I wrong in making UCF, 2017 College Football National Champions ..

Remind me again - was it the CFP title they won? Or AP or Coaches? I forget.

The Real College Football National Championship, recognized by, among others, Florida Governor Scott, the UMBC twitter account, the DisneyLand office that organizes parades, Mike Bianchi, Colley Matrix, Florida state legislature.

Go ahead and laugh, but its more than anybody in the G5 (plus half the P5)
not named Boise has done in the last few decades.

Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.

That's it.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Laugh all you want, but by your standards, Alabama has to take down a couple of banners, and a dozen other schools have to withdraw their national championship claims that are MUCH flimsier than UCF's

First, I agree that Alabama and others claim flimsy national titles too. But the solution to that isn't to validate UCF's absurd claim, it's to denounce and laugh at Alabama's absurd claim(s)

Second, when calling a historical claim flimsy, you have to be aware of the standards of the time. Times have changed, and polls and organizations that had credibility in say 1955 may not have it today, so a claim based on one of those organizations for a 1955 title might *look* flimsy from a 2018 point of view, but could have been quite valid in 1955, which is really the relevant point of view, not our hindsight.

But from the 1970s onwards, the standard has been clear: If you don't win the coach or AP vote, you don't have a claim for a share of the title.

With Villanova about to win its second national championship since the reorganization in the Big East, the old school basketball-first crowd within the UConn community will not be quieting down any time soon. It will be interesting to see if the overwhelming success of the reorganized Big East over the American will lead to any more voices/opinions coming out about a potential return.

How does the Big East improve upon its first few seasons, where it saw Villanova win two national titles? Getting back UConn...

(04-02-2018 10:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:26 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the Good 'Ol NFF MacArthur Bowl counts for something to.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Well but hold on, the AP, Coaches, etc. all of that was systematically rolled into CFP. The Associated Press could not select UCF as the champion even if they wanted to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they could even put UCF in the top four (because they were not a playoff team selected by the CFP committee).

Since you're wrong, I'll correct you, LOL: The AP and Coaches polls are completely independent of the CFP. They aren't required to vote for whoever wins the CFP or anything of the kind. Each could have voted UCF #1 if they wanted, regardless of the fact that UCF was not selected for the playoffs.

It's not like the old BCS, where the coaches were contractually required to vote the BCS champion as their national champion. Totally independent.

Oh alright. Nevermind then. Silly me.

(04-02-2018 10:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 07:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

Remind me again - was it the CFP title they won? Or AP or Coaches? I forget.

The Real College Football National Championship, recognized by, among others, Florida Governor Scott, the UMBC twitter account, the DisneyLand office that organizes parades, Mike Bianchi, Colley Matrix, Florida state legislature.

Go ahead and laugh, but its more than anybody in the G5 (plus half the P5)
not named Boise has done in the last few decades.

Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.

That's it.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Laugh all you want, but by your standards, Alabama has to take down a couple of banners, and a dozen other schools have to withdraw their national championship claims that are MUCH flimsier than UCF's

First, I agree that Alabama and others claim flimsy national titles too. But the solution to that isn't to validate UCF's absurd claim, it's to denounce and laugh at Alabama's absurd claim(s)

Second, when calling a historical claim flimsy, you have to be aware of the standards of the time. Times have changed, and polls and organizations that had credibility in say 1955 may not have it today, so a claim based on one of those organizations for a 1955 title might *look* flimsy from a 2018 point of view, but could have been quite valid in 1955, which is really the relevant point of view, not our hindsight.

But from the 1970s onwards, the standard has been clear: If you don't win the coach or AP vote, you don't have a claim for a share of the title.

If that poll was so credible in 1955, you would have hung a banner in 1955. Not 50 years later when some obsessive trolls through a record book and notices something.

EDIT: None of which has anything do to with my point, which is that UCF has (accepting your argument for the moment) a fake National Championship, something no other G5 can claim in the last 30 years. So Central Florida coming to town to play football is a bigger deal than Central Michigan coming to town. Similiarly, Marshall (Randy Moss U) coming to town to play is a bigger deal than Middle Tennessee. UCF has joined Boise STate, BYU and Marshall as G5 schools with a little bit of recognition (and maybe Cincinatti?)

(04-03-2018 07:32 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 10:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 07:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  The Real College Football National Championship, recognized by, among others, Florida Governor Scott, the UMBC twitter account, the DisneyLand office that organizes parades, Mike Bianchi, Colley Matrix, Florida state legislature.

Go ahead and laugh, but its more than anybody in the G5 (plus half the P5)
not named Boise has done in the last few decades.

Last time i checked, if you win the national title, you get the the CFP trophy. That's the trophy that all 10 FBS conferences (including UCF, btw) and ND decided would go to their official champion.

If you're old school and still think the CFP is somehow "mythical" and the polls matter, then to claim a "share" of the title, you have to get either the AP trophy or the Coach's crystal football. And if you're really old school, like pre-1980, the good old NFF MacArthur Bowl trophy counts for something too.

That's it.

I just used google to pull up a picture of Nick Saban posing with all four of them, nobody from UCF in sight.

So alright, I'll just go ahead and laugh.

Laugh all you want, but by your standards, Alabama has to take down a couple of banners, and a dozen other schools have to withdraw their national championship claims that are MUCH flimsier than UCF's

First, I agree that Alabama and others claim flimsy national titles too. But the solution to that isn't to validate UCF's absurd claim, it's to denounce and laugh at Alabama's absurd claim(s)

Second, when calling a historical claim flimsy, you have to be aware of the standards of the time. Times have changed, and polls and organizations that had credibility in say 1955 may not have it today, so a claim based on one of those organizations for a 1955 title might *look* flimsy from a 2018 point of view, but could have been quite valid in 1955, which is really the relevant point of view, not our hindsight.

But from the 1970s onwards, the standard has been clear: If you don't win the coach or AP vote, you don't have a claim for a share of the title.

If that poll was so credible in 1955, you would have hung a banner in 1955. Not 50 years later when some obsessive trolls through a record book and notices something.

EDIT: None of which has anything do to with my point, which is that UCF has (accepting your argument for the moment) a fake National Championship, something no other G5 can claim in the last 30 years.

First, I agree, if a school didn't claim a title in 1955, only much later, that is strong evidence that in 1955 not even they regarded themselves as having won a legit share of the title that year, meaning the later claim is surely bogus.

Second, I'm not sure what makes UCF last year more deserving of claiming a fake title than Tulane in 1998, or especially TCU in 2010 or Boise in 2006 and 2009, or Utah 2008.

In particular, Boise 2006, Utah 2008, and TCU 2010 all had better seasons than UCF last year, and beat better opponents in their NY6 bowl games (Boise beat Big 12 champ OU, TCU beat B1G co-champ Wisconsin, Utah beat one-loss Alabama). They all finished higher in the final AP/Coaches rankings than UCF.

The only difference is, those G5 had the class and common sense not to claim something they hadn't actually gotten.

(04-02-2018 02:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 11:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 10:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:24 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Finally, it's quite possible the AAC would let UConn stay as football only. They really don't have many other options. That said, UConn's decision has to assume that they would need to go independent.

I think they would. Heck, I wonder if by the conference bylaws they could even kick them out if they wanted? The Navy and WSU precedents could make the difficult, legally and in the eyes of the public.

But yes, the AAC certainly would bluster that if UConn removed their hoops all other sports must go as well, so like you say, they would have to plan for a worst-case scenario of independent football.

This is like saying the AAC would keep ECU basketball around if ECU decided to go independent in football. UConn has tremendous brand value in basketball. on the other hand---UConn was playing FCS football less than 20 years ago. Its football brand is far far less developed than their basketball brand. If I were UConn, I'd assume football independence would be necessary in a move to Big East.

ECU really has no brand value of any kind these days, football or basketball.

UConn is UConn, the brand they built in hoops has rubbed off to an extent on football. Plus, they are a good academic school, a flagship, and have easily the biggest athletic budget. Not comparable to ECU in any way.

UConn has absolutely no brand in football. NONE.

As far as your claim that the AAC wouldn't have the right to kick them out- of course they would. They would, and they absolutely would use that right to do just that. And UConn probably knows that. Anyone with a functional brain knows that. But you see, you want UConn in the Big East so bad that you think the AAC would screw themselves to allow UConn to do it. The AAC isn't going to help UConn in any fashion. Why should they?

we still build a program in a power conference and made 5 bowls (4 straight) including the fiesta bowl in like our first 10 years. that's more then a lot of new programs can say...we may not be Michigan but we are a bigger brand then UMass in football...that success still has to mean something.

(04-03-2018 10:00 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 02:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 11:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 10:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think they would. Heck, I wonder if by the conference bylaws they could even kick them out if they wanted? The Navy and WSU precedents could make the difficult, legally and in the eyes of the public.

But yes, the AAC certainly would bluster that if UConn removed their hoops all other sports must go as well, so like you say, they would have to plan for a worst-case scenario of independent football.

This is like saying the AAC would keep ECU basketball around if ECU decided to go independent in football. UConn has tremendous brand value in basketball. on the other hand---UConn was playing FCS football less than 20 years ago. Its football brand is far far less developed than their basketball brand. If I were UConn, I'd assume football independence would be necessary in a move to Big East.

ECU really has no brand value of any kind these days, football or basketball.

UConn is UConn, the brand they built in hoops has rubbed off to an extent on football. Plus, they are a good academic school, a flagship, and have easily the biggest athletic budget. Not comparable to ECU in any way.

UConn has absolutely no brand in football. NONE.

As far as your claim that the AAC wouldn't have the right to kick them out- of course they would. They would, and they absolutely would use that right to do just that. And UConn probably knows that. Anyone with a functional brain knows that. But you see, you want UConn in the Big East so bad that you think the AAC would screw themselves to allow UConn to do it. The AAC isn't going to help UConn in any fashion. Why should they?

we still build a program in a power conference and made 5 bowls (4 straight) including the fiesta bowl in like our first 10 years. that's more then a lot of new programs can say...we may not be Michigan but we are a bigger brand then UMass in football...that success still has to mean something.

Bigger brand than UMass in football. Wow, such high standards. Whoop de dam doo.