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Game changer in college basketball
Just saw this
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22958...n-g-league

first guy to go directly from High School to the G League.

Have a feeling it won't be the last.
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Surprised he's the first. You can easily live on 26K if you've got endorsements supplementing it.
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As someone suggested awhile back, if the NBA doesn't open its draft to recent HS graduates, then the G League should set aside 3 roster places on each team that can only be filled by players who have graduated HS but are not yet eligible for the NBA draft. (E.g., teams could have 12 unrestricted roster spots plus 3 more that can only be used on 17-18 year old HS grads.)

Assuming the G League expands by a few more teams so that each NBA team has a G League team, there would then be 90 G League places specifically reserved for players who want to bypass college basketball.
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(03-29-2018 04:45 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Surprised he's the first. You can easily live on 26K if you've got endorsements supplementing it.

Yea, if you can get 6 figures in shoe money, not have to deal with NCAA caps on time spent with coaches, and avoid the "student"-athlete farce, I get it.
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He isn't getting six figures for shoes unless he's going to sign up with a Chinese company.

His agency will be the ones supplementing him the most.
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(03-29-2018 04:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw this
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22958...n-g-league

first guy to go directly from High School to the G League.

Have a feeling it won't be the last.

Hope it opens up the floodgate....also hope the League Bill Polian is starting in Football can do the same for HS Football Players...
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don't know if it'll happen in football- but for basketball it's easy to see.

Will be fascinating to see if this is a 1 off, or if it's a trend. My hunch is that it's a trend.
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(03-29-2018 05:21 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  He isn't getting six figures for shoes unless he's going to sign up with a Chinese company.

His agency will be the ones supplementing him the most.

He's a top-10 recruit, getting him locked in early at low money with an escalator clause based on where he's drafted or something is just smart business. He'll almost certainly gross more than 100k as a result of this venture beyond whatever his agent loans him when all's said and done.
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It's a huge gamble for Bazley and for others. It will be interesting to see for sure. There's no guarantee that he gets starting minutes or a prime role on any G-League team. What's the incentive for the G-League team? They would be giving out a ton of minutes and opportunity to a player not under the NBA team's control. Every minute given to Bazley is one minute not given to a player under their control that they can develop. At least in college, and at Syracuse where he was supposed to go, he would get tons of playing time and likely see an incentive from the coaching staff to get better. It's not like the team that signs him to a G-League contract can guarantee his spot on the team the following year.

Until the NBA changes its rules where high schoolers can be drafted, and developed in the G-League, the flawed system will continue.
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(03-29-2018 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 05:21 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  He isn't getting six figures for shoes unless he's going to sign up with a Chinese company.

His agency will be the ones supplementing him the most.

He's a top-10 recruit, getting him locked in early at low money with an escalator clause based on where he's drafted or something is just smart business. He'll almost certainly gross more than 100k as a result of this venture beyond whatever his agent loans him when all's said and done.

He's going to be in the G League where VERY small numbers of people will see him. Under the table payments to those in college are done in part because they're actually seen by the public. This kid will just be on NBATV, YouTube and the occasional ESPN2 game.

He's likely to just have a merch deal.

How shoe deals work.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/22/15843...mour-guide
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(03-29-2018 07:04 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 05:21 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  He isn't getting six figures for shoes unless he's going to sign up with a Chinese company.

His agency will be the ones supplementing him the most.

He's a top-10 recruit, getting him locked in early at low money with an escalator clause based on where he's drafted or something is just smart business. He'll almost certainly gross more than 100k as a result of this venture beyond whatever his agent loans him when all's said and done.

He's going to be in the G League where VERY small numbers of people will see him. Under the table payments to those in college are done in part because they're actually seen by the public. This kid will just be on NBATV, YouTube and the occasional ESPN2 game.

He's likely to just have a merch deal.

How shoe deals work.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/22/15843...mour-guide

Shoe companies pay the parents of top-10 recruits six figures in "sponsorship" money for their AAU teams in the hope of signing the kid down the line. Adidas was buying top-20 kids at 100k for Louisville hoping to sign them a year later. I'm supposed to believe they won't just sign the kids directly if gven the chance?

EDIT: I'll even take it a step further: If this G-league thing gets popular with top recruits, once you no longer have a kids' college eligibility to preserve there's really nothing to stop the shoe companies from signing top high school players directly before they even graduate. Why not pepper the top 15-20 recruits in the 16-year-old age cohort with 50k/year apparel deals that escalate if they get to the league? At that amount it's all play money to Nike.
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Well one can assume Cuse didn't offer him any money. Surely an agent got to him...

CBB needs to give the NBA an ultimatum to work out something better than the current system. The kid was a one and done anyways so the loss is huge for Cuse...however, Boeheim often does best with teams filled with lesser talent.
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(03-29-2018 05:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  They would be giving out a ton of minutes and opportunity to a player not under the NBA team's control.

That's also true for the players who have gone from HS to European teams on one-year contracts. The difference is that European teams are trying to win, and will give a player minutes if he's good enough to help the team win. The G-League is more like minor league baseball; the "parent club" doesn't care about the G-League W-L record, it cares only about developing the players who are under "club control".

So yeah, Bazley is a test case, to see if a G-League team will give him minutes at the expense of NBA-eligible players who are under club control. If he doesn't get the minutes, then the NBA needs to tweak its system to make the G-League a better alternative to one-and-done.
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(03-29-2018 05:05 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As someone suggested awhile back, if the NBA doesn't open its draft to recent HS graduates, then the G League should set aside 3 roster places on each team that can only be filled by players who have graduated HS but are not yet eligible for the NBA draft. (E.g., teams could have 12 unrestricted roster spots plus 3 more that can only be used on 17-18 year old HS grads.)

Assuming the G League expands by a few more teams so that each NBA team has a G League team, there would then be 90 G League places specifically reserved for players who want to bypass college basketball.

I could see the NBA allowing its teams to draft players straight out of high school and then requiring them to play a year in the G-League before calling them up to the bigs. That would also give those teams incentive to give more minutes to the "none and done" players they have already used a valuable draft pick on.

They might adjust the G-League pay scale to give these kids incentive to actually sign with the team that drafts them instead of returning to the draft the following year.
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(03-29-2018 09:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 05:05 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As someone suggested awhile back, if the NBA doesn't open its draft to recent HS graduates, then the G League should set aside 3 roster places on each team that can only be filled by players who have graduated HS but are not yet eligible for the NBA draft. (E.g., teams could have 12 unrestricted roster spots plus 3 more that can only be used on 17-18 year old HS grads.)

Assuming the G League expands by a few more teams so that each NBA team has a G League team, there would then be 90 G League places specifically reserved for players who want to bypass college basketball.

I could see the NBA allowing its teams to draft players straight out of high school and then requiring them to play a year in the G-League before calling them up to the bigs. That would also give those teams incentive to give more minutes to the "none and done" players they have already used a valuable draft pick on.

They might adjust the G-League pay scale to give these kids incentive to actually sign with the team that drafts them instead of returning to the draft the following year.

One high school player per team is almost double the number of one and dones last year.

There are two logical ways to address this if the NBA wants to preserve the idea of keeping straight from high school players out to cut down draft mistakes.

One is for the NBA to offer the 30 or so top prospects a G League salary to go play a year and then be draft eligible after the season, maybe toss in a college scholarship like MLB does, if you sign out of high school, MLB will pay for you to get a four year degree. Can even toss out a $50k or $100k signing bonus. Remember that's cheap, NBA minimum this year is $582,180 and 30th pick gets just over $1.3 million in this draft, first pick just over $6 million.

Another is just add a third round to the draft with a low pay scale and if you get called up after a year to the team that drafted you, you get whatever salary you negotiated the year before but if there are any guarantees you defeat the point.
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Until the point where the G league is paying more than the top college programs I don't see where there will be a huge problem. Surprised that Syracuse wasn't offering more than G league.
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He's going to play in the G League. He thinks he should start at Cuse, and was probably told "we'll see how you fit in," and he wanted none of it. Or Boeheim said something to him about actually having to go to class.

Money's money, and maybe that really is what this is simply about. I can't help but think that at one of the power schools, it's more about the fit (or lack thereof) of program culture, coach, and ego.

All win in this. G League gets a 5-star, kid gets to play and get paid, and Cuse avoids a future sanction.
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(03-29-2018 04:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw this
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22958...n-g-league

first guy to go directly from High School to the G League.

Have a feeling it won't be the last.

He isn't the first guy to go from high school to G League. Latavious Williams played for the Tulsa 66ers (Oklahoma City Blue now) for 1 season before being drafted in the 2nd round of the NBA draft. Of course being a late 2nd rounder he ended up going back to the G League and Europe.

(03-30-2018 04:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  He's going to play in the G League. He thinks he should start at Cuse, and was probably told "we'll see how you fit in," and he wanted none of it. Or Boeheim said something to him about actually having to go to class.

Money's money, and maybe that really is what this is simply about. I can't help but think that at one of the power schools, it's more about the fit (or lack thereof) of program culture, coach, and ego.

All win in this. G League gets a 5-star, kid gets to play and get paid, and Cuse avoids a future sanction.


Money, plus very valuable experience of NBA players, NBA coaches/assistants, NBA facilities. Other benefits besides $26,000 is paid housing, per diem on the road, and a college deal the G League has with Arizona State in case basketball doesn't work out.
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Syracuse may have gotten off easy here. Bazley had already signed his LOI, but he could have waited until much later in the year to make this decision, leaving Boeheim in the lurch. At least now there may be time to recruit a replacement, either from the ranks of unsigned high school players or from the crop of graduate transfers that always emerges at this time of year.
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(03-29-2018 09:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 05:05 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As someone suggested awhile back, if the NBA doesn't open its draft to recent HS graduates, then the G League should set aside 3 roster places on each team that can only be filled by players who have graduated HS but are not yet eligible for the NBA draft. (E.g., teams could have 12 unrestricted roster spots plus 3 more that can only be used on 17-18 year old HS grads.)

Assuming the G League expands by a few more teams so that each NBA team has a G League team, there would then be 90 G League places specifically reserved for players who want to bypass college basketball.

I could see the NBA allowing its teams to draft players straight out of high school and then requiring them to play a year in the G-League before calling them up to the bigs. That would also give those teams incentive to give more minutes to the "none and done" players they have already used a valuable draft pick on.

They might adjust the G-League pay scale to give these kids incentive to actually sign with the team that drafts them instead of returning to the draft the following year.

One high school player per team is almost double the number of one and dones last year.

There are two logical ways to address this if the NBA wants to preserve the idea of keeping straight from high school players out to cut down draft mistakes.

One is for the NBA to offer the 30 or so top prospects a G League salary to go play a year and then be draft eligible after the season, maybe toss in a college scholarship like MLB does, if you sign out of high school, MLB will pay for you to get a four year degree. Can even toss out a $50k or $100k signing bonus. Remember that's cheap, NBA minimum this year is $582,180 and 30th pick gets just over $1.3 million in this draft, first pick just over $6 million.

Another is just add a third round to the draft with a low pay scale and if you get called up after a year to the team that drafted you, you get whatever salary you negotiated the year before but if there are any guarantees you defeat the point.

College athletics is at a crossroads, with challenges to its player compensation rules coming from all sides. All things considered, courts would much prefer that the NCAA and professional sports leagues sort out all their issues on their own. They would rather not be forced to make momentous rulings.

One thing is already part of settled law. Intercollegiate sports are only tax exempt if they are deemed “amateur”, and a part of the schools’ larger tax exempt purpose. But for the most part, the definition of amateurism is left hazy. To some extent, the NCAA has treated amateur status the way one would look at virginity. Once it’s lost, it can never be restored. But that’s an NCAA construct, not the IRS position.
If the NCAA were to modify its stance on this one point, it could offer a number of possible options for the NBA and NCAA to more peacefully coexist. Here is one option.

The NBA could institute a supplemental draft, for high school seniors only. It would take place before the regular draft, and ideally before the NCAA’s second signing date. No player would have to declare for this draft. It would consist of a single round, and no team would be required to use its pick. But, if they do use it, it would be in lieu of their first round pick in the regular draft.

If a high school senior isn’t selected in this supplemental draft, he may then not be drafted until he is two years out of high school.

If he is drafted, he would be assigned to the G-League. The team that drafts him would then have to sign him to a rookie NBA contract, based on the current salary scale for the position in which he was drafted. That is, if he was selected by the team holding the 10th pick, he gets the starting salary any other player would get for being the 10th pick in the regular draft. The team that drafts him must sign him to a rookie contract before the next draft or lose its rights.

At that point the player has three options: stay in the G-League in hopes of being drafted later by another team, sign with another pro league, or go to college. Here is where the NCAA comes in. After one year in the G-League, they should, IMO, allow the player to regain his amateur status by enrolling in college, and completing a minimum of 30 credit hours with, say, a 2.5 GPA. For its part, the NBA team would reimburse the school for the cost of its scholarship for that year, since the player won’t be eligible to compete that year (much like a transfer student).

After regaining his amateur status, the player would have three years remaining eligibility, and the NBA would agree not to draft him again until he has used up at least two of them.

Everybody gives up something here, but everybody also gains something. That has to happen for any deal to work.
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