(03-23-2018 03:58 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 03:03 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 01:07 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Stop looking at it so simplistically. First step in eliminating illegal immigration is to plug the hole. Had the border not be wide open for the past 30 years, there wouldn't be 11-15 million illegals here.

I might make the same comment about your remark. The reason we have so many illegal aliens is because for decades and decades and decades, if not centuries, this country welcomed cheap labor. Dems and Repubs were not about to rock the cheap labor boat so they both turned a blind eye to it.
Soon as 9-11, everyone started panicking and all of a sudden it became a flash point for every conceivable BS story the pubs could think up.
Deportation (begun by Obama, thank you) has worked to slow the tide of illegals. The question now is, "Does the expense justify the results?" If the flow has been reduced to a trickle, and part of that trickle comes from visa over stays, not smuggled in, why go to the trouble?

Bolded lie negates any point you may have been trying to make. Come back when you can tell the truth.

Not a lie, just a mistake. How about I change "begun" to "continued", possibly even accelerated? Pretty quick to judge, aren't you?

(03-23-2018 12:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Not really. People are against it for many reasons:

1. Cost.
2. What to do about the Rio Grande.
3. The land grabs to erect it will be problematic.
4. Effect on wildlife.
5. It doesn't solve the real problem with immigration, the people already here.

Many people seem to think this wall is going to be precisely on the border.

(03-23-2018 05:37 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 03:58 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 03:03 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 01:07 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Stop looking at it so simplistically. First step in eliminating illegal immigration is to plug the hole. Had the border not be wide open for the past 30 years, there wouldn't be 11-15 million illegals here.

I might make the same comment about your remark. The reason we have so many illegal aliens is because for decades and decades and decades, if not centuries, this country welcomed cheap labor. Dems and Repubs were not about to rock the cheap labor boat so they both turned a blind eye to it.
Soon as 9-11, everyone started panicking and all of a sudden it became a flash point for every conceivable BS story the pubs could think up.
Deportation (begun by Obama, thank you) has worked to slow the tide of illegals. The question now is, "Does the expense justify the results?" If the flow has been reduced to a trickle, and part of that trickle comes from visa over stays, not smuggled in, why go to the trouble?

Bolded lie negates any point you may have been trying to make. Come back when you can tell the truth.

Not a lie, just a mistake. How about I change "begun" to "continued", possibly even accelerated? Pretty quick to judge, aren't you?

Just doing my part to make sure more misinformation isn't spread across the internet for impressionable young minds to absorb and parrot.