For the same reason any CUSA school would leave for the AAC.

CUSA is a better conference with more established programs and more respect. The AAC will not be poaching teams from the Sun Belt, that should tell you all you need to know.

There is an established pecking order that will not be broken over just a few years.

AAC>CUSA/MWC>Sun Belt/MAC

Ah, we'd move because you think you're prettier than we are and you think we want to hang out with the kids who think they're popular? LOL. Go home. You're drunk.

(03-21-2018 06:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  For the same reason any CUSA school would leave for the AAC.

CUSA is a better conference with more established programs and more respect. The AAC will not be poaching teams from the Sun Belt, that should tell you all you need to know.

There is an established pecking order that will not be broken over just a few years.

AAC>CUSA/MWC>Sun Belt/MAC

Yeah I agree. Boise State, Fresno St, San Diego St, Colorado St, Hawaii, University of North Carolina- Charlotte, University of Texas San Antonio, the names just flow together.

Here's what I don't understand. Losers care about perception because they want to lose good. It's all about looks. Boy it was sexy to lose to Illinois instead of Troy. We can't play them. It sounds like some high school girls babbling to each other about clicks. Real teams, like Fresno St. under Pat Hill, played anyone, anytime, anywhere and didn't care about perception.

I'm plenty happy to have my school do the same regardless of your asinine positions. (By the way people do notice winning more than who you play- something some of my former conference mates still haven't figured out). UNT was competing for the prestigious C-usa title ffs. Who won it? FAU (low key props though- you guys played well once you figured it out.)

The Sunbelt is a stronger football conference in a more stable position. Don't believe me- just wait and see.

(03-21-2018 06:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  For the same reason any CUSA school would leave for the AAC.

CUSA is a better conference with more established programs and more respect. The AAC will not be poaching teams from the Sun Belt, that should tell you all you need to know.

There is an established pecking order that will not be broken over just a few years.

AAC>CUSA/MWC>Sun Belt/MAC

Marshall with nonqualifiers isn’t on the list either. You think CUSA is on par with the MWC. You’d think all that respect you received with your last tv deal would bring you back to reality, bless your heart.

(03-21-2018 06:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  For the same reason any CUSA school would leave for the AAC.

CUSA is a better conference with more established programs and more respect. The AAC will not be poaching teams from the Sun Belt, that should tell you all you need to know.

There is an established pecking order that will not be broken over just a few years.

AAC>CUSA/MWC>Sun Belt/MAC

How’s life back in 2009 treating you?

The gap between CUSA and the SBC is much bigger than the gap between CUSA and the MWC. But yes I agree, MWC is currently better than CUSA.

(03-21-2018 09:55 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The gap between CUSA and the SBC is much bigger than the gap between CUSA and the MWC. But yes I agree, MWC is currently better than CUSA.

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or if you actually believe that.

(03-21-2018 06:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  For the same reason any CUSA school would leave for the AAC.

CUSA is a better conference with more established programs and more respect. The AAC will not be poaching teams from the Sun Belt, that should tell you all you need to know.

There is an established pecking order that will not be broken over just a few years.

AAC>CUSA/MWC>Sun Belt/MAC

There are approximately 4 million reasons why it is highly unlikely that an SBC outside of maybe Texas State would ever join CUSA.

Until CUSA can find a way to lower those reasons to closer to 1 million or less, it's just not going to happen. Nor is it going to happen in reverse.

(03-21-2018 09:55 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The gap between CUSA and the SBC is much bigger than the gap between CUSA and the MWC. But yes I agree, MWC is currently better than CUSA.

You need a serious dose of reality.

(03-21-2018 06:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:12 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:44 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  As an App fan I'm happy with the TV deal. $5 a month and I can get every App football, basketball and every other sport conference championship. (That doesn't even include the MLB, MLS, and Ocho sports that will be on ESPN+).

As an App fan I'm glad our conference isn't as far flung and including as many members as CUSA does. When App was FCS of course I wanted App to be in CUSA because there was a clear difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt. As today stands, there isn't. And the money saved not sending our teams west that often (Sun Belt has great travel companions for their schools: 2 TX schools, 2 Ark, 2 LA, 2 Alabama, 2 Georgia) is nice.

Now, I'd love love love to share a conference with long time rival Marshall, but I don't see it happening in the near future, which makes me even happier that they're scheduled in the coming years. If App could get an agreement with CUSA east teams (Marshall, ODU, WKU, MTSU) to play one each year in a rotation, who needs realignment.



Edit: But I wouldn't give up a conference with GaSo, GSU, Troy and Ark State for what the CUSA currently has.

I just don't think wholesale reorganization of the SBC & CUSA would happen and I for one hope no SBC team would be silly enough to make a sideways move to a more far flung conference. Texas St maybe would see a benefit by being with more Texas schools but I'm not sure if that's enough for them to justify the cost to move. Of course those jug heads across the street on the CUSA board still believe they can poach any school they want from the Sun Belt should they need too.

Because we could. You guys can claim your administration would say no all you want to but no one has said no yet. All of you would say yes if invited

http://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/troy/j...911df.html

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...fdb24.html

https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...8d137.html

Even one of your more positive adds (Old Dominion) has an AD that has stated that CUSA is not ideal anymore for them. I can't blame them... when you have a crap commish who can't negotiate TV deals... and puts a basketball tournament all the way in Texas... in a football stadium... that separates the courts with a curtain... who would want to be a part of that?

(03-22-2018 08:28 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 06:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:12 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:44 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  As an App fan I'm happy with the TV deal. $5 a month and I can get every App football, basketball and every other sport conference championship. (That doesn't even include the MLB, MLS, and Ocho sports that will be on ESPN+).

As an App fan I'm glad our conference isn't as far flung and including as many members as CUSA does. When App was FCS of course I wanted App to be in CUSA because there was a clear difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt. As today stands, there isn't. And the money saved not sending our teams west that often (Sun Belt has great travel companions for their schools: 2 TX schools, 2 Ark, 2 LA, 2 Alabama, 2 Georgia) is nice.

Now, I'd love love love to share a conference with long time rival Marshall, but I don't see it happening in the near future, which makes me even happier that they're scheduled in the coming years. If App could get an agreement with CUSA east teams (Marshall, ODU, WKU, MTSU) to play one each year in a rotation, who needs realignment.



Edit: But I wouldn't give up a conference with GaSo, GSU, Troy and Ark State for what the CUSA currently has.

I just don't think wholesale reorganization of the SBC & CUSA would happen and I for one hope no SBC team would be silly enough to make a sideways move to a more far flung conference. Texas St maybe would see a benefit by being with more Texas schools but I'm not sure if that's enough for them to justify the cost to move. Of course those jug heads across the street on the CUSA board still believe they can poach any school they want from the Sun Belt should they need too.

Because we could. You guys can claim your administration would say no all you want to but no one has said no yet. All of you would say yes if invited

http://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/troy/j...911df.html

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...fdb24.html

https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...8d137.html

Even one of your more positive adds (Old Dominion) has an AD that has stated that CUSA is not ideal anymore for them. I can't blame them... when you have a crap commish who can't negotiate TV deals... and puts a basketball tournament all the way in Texas... in a football stadium... that separates the courts with a curtain... who would want to be a part of that?

Reading Harry's (Virginia Pilot) article...he wants the best of both worlds. He wants to cherry pick what league ODU is in for each sport while simultaneously talking about "enhanced rivalries". In theory he's right but in my opinion (and I'd like to know what everyone else thinks) multi sport rivalries are better. For example, App and Marshall had a benches clearing brawl in baseball earlier this season. Many fans won't care about baseball but to those who do, that brawl enhances the upcoming football series. So if he wants football in league A and basketball in league B and baseball in league C, everything becomes disjointed and potential is lost.

(03-22-2018 12:28 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 08:28 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 06:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:12 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:44 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  As an App fan I'm happy with the TV deal. $5 a month and I can get every App football, basketball and every other sport conference championship. (That doesn't even include the MLB, MLS, and Ocho sports that will be on ESPN+).

As an App fan I'm glad our conference isn't as far flung and including as many members as CUSA does. When App was FCS of course I wanted App to be in CUSA because there was a clear difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt. As today stands, there isn't. And the money saved not sending our teams west that often (Sun Belt has great travel companions for their schools: 2 TX schools, 2 Ark, 2 LA, 2 Alabama, 2 Georgia) is nice.

Now, I'd love love love to share a conference with long time rival Marshall, but I don't see it happening in the near future, which makes me even happier that they're scheduled in the coming years. If App could get an agreement with CUSA east teams (Marshall, ODU, WKU, MTSU) to play one each year in a rotation, who needs realignment.



Edit: But I wouldn't give up a conference with GaSo, GSU, Troy and Ark State for what the CUSA currently has.

I just don't think wholesale reorganization of the SBC & CUSA would happen and I for one hope no SBC team would be silly enough to make a sideways move to a more far flung conference. Texas St maybe would see a benefit by being with more Texas schools but I'm not sure if that's enough for them to justify the cost to move. Of course those jug heads across the street on the CUSA board still believe they can poach any school they want from the Sun Belt should they need too.

Because we could. You guys can claim your administration would say no all you want to but no one has said no yet. All of you would say yes if invited

http://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/troy/j...911df.html

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...fdb24.html

https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...8d137.html

Even one of your more positive adds (Old Dominion) has an AD that has stated that CUSA is not ideal anymore for them. I can't blame them... when you have a crap commish who can't negotiate TV deals... and puts a basketball tournament all the way in Texas... in a football stadium... that separates the courts with a curtain... who would want to be a part of that?

Reading Harry's (Virginia Pilot) article...he wants the best of both worlds. He wants to cherry pick what league ODU is in for each sport while simultaneously talking about "enhanced rivalries". In theory he's right but in my opinion (and I'd like to know what everyone else thinks) multi sport rivalries are better. For example, App and Marshall had a benches clearing brawl in baseball earlier this season. Many fans won't care about baseball but to those who do, that brawl enhances the upcoming football series. So if he wants football in league A and basketball in league B and baseball in league C, everything becomes disjointed and potential is lost.

I'm in 100% agreement on this one. Rivalries should be with a school not just in one sport.

(03-21-2018 10:05 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 09:55 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The gap between CUSA and the SBC is much bigger than the gap between CUSA and the MWC. But yes I agree, MWC is currently better than CUSA.

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or if you actually believe that.

Just came back and before I read any further, yes I am kind of trolling. I don't care at all to be honest.. I respect a lot of the programs in the Sun Belt. Top half is really good imo. I'm pumped we are getting to play App State again. Thread was dying and I was bored. Everyone takes these boards so serious. I used to as well.

(03-22-2018 12:28 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 08:28 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 06:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:12 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:44 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  As an App fan I'm happy with the TV deal. $5 a month and I can get every App football, basketball and every other sport conference championship. (That doesn't even include the MLB, MLS, and Ocho sports that will be on ESPN+).

As an App fan I'm glad our conference isn't as far flung and including as many members as CUSA does. When App was FCS of course I wanted App to be in CUSA because there was a clear difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt. As today stands, there isn't. And the money saved not sending our teams west that often (Sun Belt has great travel companions for their schools: 2 TX schools, 2 Ark, 2 LA, 2 Alabama, 2 Georgia) is nice.

Now, I'd love love love to share a conference with long time rival Marshall, but I don't see it happening in the near future, which makes me even happier that they're scheduled in the coming years. If App could get an agreement with CUSA east teams (Marshall, ODU, WKU, MTSU) to play one each year in a rotation, who needs realignment.



Edit: But I wouldn't give up a conference with GaSo, GSU, Troy and Ark State for what the CUSA currently has.

I just don't think wholesale reorganization of the SBC & CUSA would happen and I for one hope no SBC team would be silly enough to make a sideways move to a more far flung conference. Texas St maybe would see a benefit by being with more Texas schools but I'm not sure if that's enough for them to justify the cost to move. Of course those jug heads across the street on the CUSA board still believe they can poach any school they want from the Sun Belt should they need too.

Because we could. You guys can claim your administration would say no all you want to but no one has said no yet. All of you would say yes if invited

http://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/troy/j...911df.html

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...fdb24.html

https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...8d137.html

Even one of your more positive adds (Old Dominion) has an AD that has stated that CUSA is not ideal anymore for them. I can't blame them... when you have a crap commish who can't negotiate TV deals... and puts a basketball tournament all the way in Texas... in a football stadium... that separates the courts with a curtain... who would want to be a part of that?

Reading Harry's (Virginia Pilot) article...he wants the best of both worlds. He wants to cherry pick what league ODU is in for each sport while simultaneously talking about "enhanced rivalries". In theory he's right but in my opinion (and I'd like to know what everyone else thinks) multi sport rivalries are better. For example, App and Marshall had a benches clearing brawl in baseball earlier this season. Many fans won't care about baseball but to those who do, that brawl enhances the upcoming football series. So if he wants football in league A and basketball in league B and baseball in league C, everything becomes disjointed and potential is lost.

First of all, props on the gif, that was pretty good.

To Appdiesel, I agree with you. I think its ok to have a few olympic only teams if they have good basketball. But for the most part, you want an all sports conference. I truly hope for a future Eastern based G5 league that includes CUSA East and App State/ Ga Southern. Something has to give at some point and I just hope we get it right the next time.

(03-22-2018 07:00 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  To Appdiesel, I truly hope for a future Eastern based G5 league that includes CUSA East and App State/ Ga Southern. Something has to give at some point and I just hope we get it right the next time.

In the mean time we're playing in football and baseball....gimme more.

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(03-22-2018 08:31 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:00 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  To Appdiesel, I truly hope for a future Eastern based G5 league that includes CUSA East and App State/ Ga Southern. Something has to give at some point and I just hope we get it right the next time.

In the mean time we're playing in football and baseball....gimme more.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Hopefully CUSA lays down some basketball scheduling standards so that match up won't happen.

(03-22-2018 12:28 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 08:28 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 06:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:12 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:44 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  As an App fan I'm happy with the TV deal. $5 a month and I can get every App football, basketball and every other sport conference championship. (That doesn't even include the MLB, MLS, and Ocho sports that will be on ESPN+).

As an App fan I'm glad our conference isn't as far flung and including as many members as CUSA does. When App was FCS of course I wanted App to be in CUSA because there was a clear difference between CUSA and the Sun Belt. As today stands, there isn't. And the money saved not sending our teams west that often (Sun Belt has great travel companions for their schools: 2 TX schools, 2 Ark, 2 LA, 2 Alabama, 2 Georgia) is nice.

Now, I'd love love love to share a conference with long time rival Marshall, but I don't see it happening in the near future, which makes me even happier that they're scheduled in the coming years. If App could get an agreement with CUSA east teams (Marshall, ODU, WKU, MTSU) to play one each year in a rotation, who needs realignment.



Edit: But I wouldn't give up a conference with GaSo, GSU, Troy and Ark State for what the CUSA currently has.

I just don't think wholesale reorganization of the SBC & CUSA would happen and I for one hope no SBC team would be silly enough to make a sideways move to a more far flung conference. Texas St maybe would see a benefit by being with more Texas schools but I'm not sure if that's enough for them to justify the cost to move. Of course those jug heads across the street on the CUSA board still believe they can poach any school they want from the Sun Belt should they need too.

Because we could. You guys can claim your administration would say no all you want to but no one has said no yet. All of you would say yes if invited

http://www.dothaneagle.com/sports/troy/j...911df.html

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...fdb24.html

https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...8d137.html

Even one of your more positive adds (Old Dominion) has an AD that has stated that CUSA is not ideal anymore for them. I can't blame them... when you have a crap commish who can't negotiate TV deals... and puts a basketball tournament all the way in Texas... in a football stadium... that separates the courts with a curtain... who would want to be a part of that?

Reading Harry's (Virginia Pilot) article...he wants the best of both worlds. He wants to cherry pick what league ODU is in for each sport while simultaneously talking about "enhanced rivalries". In theory he's right but in my opinion (and I'd like to know what everyone else thinks) multi sport rivalries are better. For example, App and Marshall had a benches clearing brawl in baseball earlier this season. Many fans won't care about baseball but to those who do, that brawl enhances the upcoming football series. So if he wants football in league A and basketball in league B and baseball in league C, everything becomes disjointed and potential is lost.

That's a good point. I think it'd might work better for ODU than most others if we could get the A10 to take us. We have traditional rivals there where our basketball could thrive. It's a pipe dream though and likely put out by Harry just to stir up our basketball centric fans by slipping in there that the A10's commish said we'd be welcome there. It is an interesting model though financially for G5 schools. Most G5 schools have maybe one other G5 program in their state and are traveling several to many states away. Even a reshuffling of CUSA and the SB wouldn't create bus leagues. And that's fine....for football. But most are surrounded by either FCS or non football Div I schools which could be acceptable for other sports. Personally I'd rather put my ladies Volleyball team on a bus to Richmond or NC than on a plane to TX if I can reinvest those savings into coaches salaries and facilities that will actually improve our programs. But you do make a good point and such a model might not hold so much advantage in other parts of the country. CUSA Baseball and Soccer were a big step up though and I don't want to devalue those programs. If G5 programs are going to be successful we need to think outside of the box though and pushing for NCAA rule changes or exemptions to accommodate our situation might be part of that.

As much as I hate the phrase "outside the box" here's some thinking for you. All G5 teams band together, tell the NCAA to shove it, form their own governing body and set up all new conferences with their own championships. No one in this new arrangement schedules outside of the group. P5s no longer have us to pad their schedules. ESPN, CBS and the rest of the world has to figure out how to deal with the new order. Our schools concentrate on economizing, compact leagues and rivalries. TV dollars will not drive the boat. Butts in seats will.

I want utopia, I know.

This ain't rocket surgery.

ODU apparently doesn't like how things are set up right in CUSA. MTSU's AD has in the past indicated interest in something different.

Marshall would be part of what those schools want. Marshall has previously indicated playing in Florida is important.

So basically it seems CUSA East is fairly content with CUSA East.

Come 2021 CUSA East is 7 schools playing together for 8 years and can break and be their own league. It would seem likely that UAB would be on their invite list (8), maybe USM would be as well (9). I suspect there is at least one and probably four (if USM weren't invited or declined) Sun Belt schools that would join that conference if invited.

(03-22-2018 09:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  This ain't rocket surgery.

ODU apparently doesn't like how things are set up right in CUSA. MTSU's AD has in the past indicated interest in something different.

Marshall would be part of what those schools want. Marshall has previously indicated playing in Florida is important.

So basically it seems CUSA East is fairly content with CUSA East.

Come 2021 CUSA East is 7 schools playing together for 8 years and can break and be their own league. It would seem likely that UAB would be on their invite list (8), maybe USM would be as well (9). I suspect there is at least one and probably four (if USM weren't invited or declined) Sun Belt schools that would join that conference if invited.

Rocket science or brain surgery?

I expect this is how things will play out, contingent on how the P5 behaves with their TV contracts that expire in the mid 2020's.