(03-20-2018 09:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:20 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  We need to float them a non-football offer.

Why? All their natural rivalries are out west. They don't add much in basketball. I don't think they'd consider it anyway. Make it all sports or nothing.

I don't like BYU. Hope the MWC takes Gonzaga and leaves BYU hanging out to dry in the WCC.

Because we win no matter what. Giving BYU another solid Olympic option eliminates the MW’s ability to force BYU football into the MW. That’s a win for us. If BYU come to the AAC, that’s a win because it’s another successful well funded basketball program with a solid national fan base that costs us virtually nothing to add.

Yep. BYU would be a really good get for the tv contract as well.

I dont think there's another football / basketball school thats worth the add to balance the divisions out, but adding army or airforce for FB only, and another school for basketball only might work.

Memphis played Gonzaga home & home for years in basketball. Its a long trip, made more difficult when the NCAA changed the travel rules. (Memphis used to travel to a western CUSA school like UTEP, and then went straight to Gonzaga from there to make travelling there more cost & time efficient. But thats not possible now) Gonzaga is a grreat basketball school, but they may be too reliant upon Mark Few, who is a awesome coach. They would be a serious risk to add. If Few leaves, they could become a bottom dweller that is about as close to the conference footprint as Beijing, China.

After reading the first page of this thread I have to wonder how many of you are old enough to remember what happened to the last hybrid conference.

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(03-20-2018 06:24 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  After reading the first page of this thread I have to wonder how many of you are old enough to remember what happened to the last hybrid conference.

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There have been a lot of hybrid conferences over the years, but I assume you mean the old BE?

Having 8 basketball schools and 8 football schools is probably a bad idea.

Having 11-13 football schools and 1-3 basketball schools is meh.

Basketball schools are cheap to bring in and have a good return if they make a decent tourny run. So long as they are located in your footprint they won't hurt you in travel costs. They can help create regional rivalries even, especially if carefully chosen for location and history.

They can't out vote the football schools and if they decide to leave they hurt but won't cause you serious damage. Not a lot of negatives there.

(03-20-2018 06:24 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  After reading the first page of this thread I have to wonder how many of you are old enough to remember what happened to the last hybrid conference.

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This is the biggest load of nonsense that surrounds the American. Honestly, it's like critical thought flies out the window when this comes up.

First of all, the American is not and never will be a "hybrid" conference. It's a football conference, and having 3 basketball only members doesn't change that. These schools did and will join knowing the structure and direction of the American. If we were to add Dayton and VCU, and one day the basketball only schools pull a new Big East and want to split, what do they do? Do you think a 3 team league works? Do you think the NCAA makes an exception and let's WSU, VCU, and Dayton, or Gonzaga, whoever, just play each other 18 times a year? Do you think they decide to go back to their previous conferences? Even if they did, the only thing that happens is that the conference returns to status quo 2017.

But again, why would they leave their current conferences for a football conference, only to come into conflict with the football schools? In what reality does that make sense?

The Big East was doomed from the beginning. Remember how Penn State was blocked in the 80's because a few members didn't want to strengthen the football side? Do you understand that it was formed as a basketball conference for football to become the primary revenue generator? Do you understand that 7 basketball only teams pushed together over decades is a whole lot different than 3 teams joining a conference that's explicitly football focused?

The old Big East has approximately zero to do with the American. Add VCU and Dayton, or you're missing out on millions in tournament revenue, a huge bump in basketball prestige, and a lineup that all the sudden is going to be consistently better than the Pac12. If they're serious about this P6 thing, basketball can't suck.

(03-19-2018 07:20 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  We need to float them a non-football offer.

Why? All their natural rivalries are out west. They don't add much in basketball. I don't think they'd consider it anyway. Make it all sports or nothing.

I don't like BYU. Hope the MWC takes Gonzaga and leaves BYU hanging out to dry in the WCC.

I hope AAC takes BYU, it would be a great payback for all the P6 nonsense. Their fans would make Wichita fans look nice.


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(03-20-2018 07:40 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:24 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  After reading the first page of this thread I have to wonder how many of you are old enough to remember what happened to the last hybrid conference.

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This is the biggest load of nonsense that surrounds the American. Honestly, it's like critical thought flies out the window when this comes up.

First of all, the American is not and never will be a "hybrid" conference. It's a football conference, and having 3 basketball only members doesn't change that. These schools did and will join knowing the structure and direction of the American. If we were to add Dayton and VCU, and one day the basketball only schools pull a new Big East and want to split, what do they do? Do you think a 3 team league works? Do you think the NCAA makes an exception and let's WSU, VCU, and Dayton, or Gonzaga, whoever, just play each other 18 times a year? Do you think they decide to go back to their previous conferences? Even if they did, the only thing that happens is that the conference returns to status quo 2017.

But again, why would they leave their current conferences for a football conference, only to come into conflict with the football schools? In what reality does that make sense?

The Big East was doomed from the beginning. Remember how Penn State was blocked in the 80's because a few members didn't want to strengthen the football side? Do you understand that it was formed as a basketball conference for football to become the primary revenue generator? Do you understand that 7 basketball only teams pushed together over decades is a whole lot different than 3 teams joining a conference that's explicitly football focused?

The old Big East has approximately zero to do with the American. Add VCU and Dayton, or you're missing out on millions in tournament revenue, a huge bump in basketball prestige, and a lineup that all the sudden is going to be consistently better than the Pac12. If they're serious about this P6 thing, basketball can't suck.

If it was not for football, who would care. Even with the MBB tournament results this year, I have to believe UCF's football results along with Memphis, USF, and even UH and Navy to an extent, MBB can survive and get better.

(03-20-2018 09:14 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 07:40 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:24 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  After reading the first page of this thread I have to wonder how many of you are old enough to remember what happened to the last hybrid conference.

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This is the biggest load of nonsense that surrounds the American. Honestly, it's like critical thought flies out the window when this comes up.

First of all, the American is not and never will be a "hybrid" conference. It's a football conference, and having 3 basketball only members doesn't change that. These schools did and will join knowing the structure and direction of the American. If we were to add Dayton and VCU, and one day the basketball only schools pull a new Big East and want to split, what do they do? Do you think a 3 team league works? Do you think the NCAA makes an exception and let's WSU, VCU, and Dayton, or Gonzaga, whoever, just play each other 18 times a year? Do you think they decide to go back to their previous conferences? Even if they did, the only thing that happens is that the conference returns to status quo 2017.

But again, why would they leave their current conferences for a football conference, only to come into conflict with the football schools? In what reality does that make sense?

The Big East was doomed from the beginning. Remember how Penn State was blocked in the 80's because a few members didn't want to strengthen the football side? Do you understand that it was formed as a basketball conference for football to become the primary revenue generator? Do you understand that 7 basketball only teams pushed together over decades is a whole lot different than 3 teams joining a conference that's explicitly football focused?

The old Big East has approximately zero to do with the American. Add VCU and Dayton, or you're missing out on millions in tournament revenue, a huge bump in basketball prestige, and a lineup that all the sudden is going to be consistently better than the Pac12. If they're serious about this P6 thing, basketball can't suck.

If it was not for football, who would care. Even with the MBB tournament results this year, I have to believe UCF's football results along with Memphis, USF, and even UH and Navy to an extent, MBB can survive and get better.

Football is going to magically float basketball? I don't think so. Adding all of 2 basketball schools is pretty low risk/high reward, and arguing against it because football is above average is as silly an argument you could make.

(03-20-2018 07:40 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:24 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  After reading the first page of this thread I have to wonder how many of you are old enough to remember what happened to the last hybrid conference.

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This is the biggest load of nonsense that surrounds the American. Honestly, it's like critical thought flies out the window when this comes up.

First of all, the American is not and never will be a "hybrid" conference. It's a football conference, and having 3 basketball only members doesn't change that. These schools did and will join knowing the structure and direction of the American. If we were to add Dayton and VCU, and one day the basketball only schools pull a new Big East and want to split, what do they do? Do you think a 3 team league works? Do you think the NCAA makes an exception and let's WSU, VCU, and Dayton, or Gonzaga, whoever, just play each other 18 times a year? Do you think they decide to go back to their previous conferences? Even if they did, the only thing that happens is that the conference returns to status quo 2017.

But again, why would they leave their current conferences for a football conference, only to come into conflict with the football schools? In what reality does that make sense?

The Big East was doomed from the beginning. Remember how Penn State was blocked in the 80's because a few members didn't want to strengthen the football side? Do you understand that it was formed as a basketball conference for football to become the primary revenue generator? Do you understand that 7 basketball only teams pushed together over decades is a whole lot different than 3 teams joining a conference that's explicitly football focused?

The old Big East has approximately zero to do with the American. Add VCU and Dayton, or you're missing out on millions in tournament revenue, a huge bump in basketball prestige, and a lineup that all the sudden is going to be consistently better than the Pac12. If they're serious about this P6 thing, basketball can't suck.

This person knows what he's talking about. We'll never have the power of the Catholic schools because we aren't charter members and are not bound by religious affiliation. If this school added VCU and Gonzaga (for basketball only) it would be the smartest move in history. It would INSTANTLY give us another perennial NCAA bid. Now we're looking at the possibility of 7-8 bids when everybody gets firing on all cylinders.


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P.S. We can't add Dayton because it's too close to Cincy. Dayton will never be in the AAC. But VCU and Gonzaga (basketball only) would be a no-brainer.


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(03-20-2018 10:25 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  P.S. We can't add Dayton because it's too close to Cincy. Dayton will never be in the AAC. But VCU and Gonzaga (basketball only) would be a no-brainer.


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Yea, unfortunately, I did note that a few posts back. Cinci would block it. But you're right, Zaga (even though I'm very skeptical of going further west) and VCU turn this into a scary good basketball conference, and both schools would jump at an invite.

(03-20-2018 11:01 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 10:25 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  P.S. We can't add Dayton because it's too close to Cincy. Dayton will never be in the AAC. But VCU and Gonzaga (basketball only) would be a no-brainer.


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Yea, unfortunately, I did note that a few posts back. Cinci would block it. But you're right, Zaga (even though I'm very skeptical of going further west) and VCU turn this into a scary good basketball conference, and both schools would jump at an invite.

Just no Gonzaga olympic sports. We're not hauling our entire conference to the great northwest for fking softball... They can keep the non-revenue affiliated with the WCC. Gonazaga would literally be basketball-only-only.


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(03-20-2018 10:18 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 09:14 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 07:40 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:24 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  After reading the first page of this thread I have to wonder how many of you are old enough to remember what happened to the last hybrid conference.

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This is the biggest load of nonsense that surrounds the American. Honestly, it's like critical thought flies out the window when this comes up.

First of all, the American is not and never will be a "hybrid" conference. It's a football conference, and having 3 basketball only members doesn't change that. These schools did and will join knowing the structure and direction of the American. If we were to add Dayton and VCU, and one day the basketball only schools pull a new Big East and want to split, what do they do? Do you think a 3 team league works? Do you think the NCAA makes an exception and let's WSU, VCU, and Dayton, or Gonzaga, whoever, just play each other 18 times a year? Do you think they decide to go back to their previous conferences? Even if they did, the only thing that happens is that the conference returns to status quo 2017.

But again, why would they leave their current conferences for a football conference, only to come into conflict with the football schools? In what reality does that make sense?

The Big East was doomed from the beginning. Remember how Penn State was blocked in the 80's because a few members didn't want to strengthen the football side? Do you understand that it was formed as a basketball conference for football to become the primary revenue generator? Do you understand that 7 basketball only teams pushed together over decades is a whole lot different than 3 teams joining a conference that's explicitly football focused?

The old Big East has approximately zero to do with the American. Add VCU and Dayton, or you're missing out on millions in tournament revenue, a huge bump in basketball prestige, and a lineup that all the sudden is going to be consistently better than the Pac12. If they're serious about this P6 thing, basketball can't suck.

If it was not for football, who would care. Even with the MBB tournament results this year, I have to believe UCF's football results along with Memphis, USF, and even UH and Navy to an extent, MBB can survive and get better.

Football is going to magically float basketball? I don't think so. Adding all of 2 basketball schools is pretty low risk/high reward, and arguing against it because football is above average is as silly an argument you could make.

Trying to show that the conference being P6 is adding MBB teams is fools gold. The AAC brought in WSU to help MBB, but to solidify a P6 is winning more P5 games in football. Unless you are the NBE w/o football as a conception of a conference, football is what the conference will be judged by. If the AAC football keeps improving, MBB can have time to improve w/o adding teams. Having 3 teams in the NCAA this year, with two wins, was an improvement over the past AAC tournament showings since UConn won the NC.

(03-20-2018 11:12 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 10:18 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 09:14 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 07:40 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:24 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  After reading the first page of this thread I have to wonder how many of you are old enough to remember what happened to the last hybrid conference.

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This is the biggest load of nonsense that surrounds the American. Honestly, it's like critical thought flies out the window when this comes up.

First of all, the American is not and never will be a "hybrid" conference. It's a football conference, and having 3 basketball only members doesn't change that. These schools did and will join knowing the structure and direction of the American. If we were to add Dayton and VCU, and one day the basketball only schools pull a new Big East and want to split, what do they do? Do you think a 3 team league works? Do you think the NCAA makes an exception and let's WSU, VCU, and Dayton, or Gonzaga, whoever, just play each other 18 times a year? Do you think they decide to go back to their previous conferences? Even if they did, the only thing that happens is that the conference returns to status quo 2017.

But again, why would they leave their current conferences for a football conference, only to come into conflict with the football schools? In what reality does that make sense?

The Big East was doomed from the beginning. Remember how Penn State was blocked in the 80's because a few members didn't want to strengthen the football side? Do you understand that it was formed as a basketball conference for football to become the primary revenue generator? Do you understand that 7 basketball only teams pushed together over decades is a whole lot different than 3 teams joining a conference that's explicitly football focused?

The old Big East has approximately zero to do with the American. Add VCU and Dayton, or you're missing out on millions in tournament revenue, a huge bump in basketball prestige, and a lineup that all the sudden is going to be consistently better than the Pac12. If they're serious about this P6 thing, basketball can't suck.

If it was not for football, who would care. Even with the MBB tournament results this year, I have to believe UCF's football results along with Memphis, USF, and even UH and Navy to an extent, MBB can survive and get better.

Football is going to magically float basketball? I don't think so. Adding all of 2 basketball schools is pretty low risk/high reward, and arguing against it because football is above average is as silly an argument you could make.

Trying to show that the conference being P6 is adding MBB teams is fools gold. The AAC brought in WSU to help MBB, but to solidify a P6 is winning more P5 games in football. Unless you are the NBE w/o football as a conception of a conference, football is what the conference will be judged by. If the AAC football keeps improving, MBB can have time to improve w/o adding teams. Having 3 teams in the NCAA this year, with two wins, was an improvement over the past AAC tournament showings since UConn won the NC.

This makes absolutely zero sense. Basketball won't magically "improve". If you're not a basketball fan, fine, but what the "conference will be judged by" isn't the biggest concern of mine. I want Temple basketball to be good.

Your roadmap for improving conference basketball being "it'll just get better" isn't realistic. What does "can have time" mean? Again, I'm a basketball fan. I don't put money into a conference member's pocket for tickets to wait 10 years for decent basketball so you can have your toys on the football side. There's no good reason to exclude teams that would increase the value of the upcoming tv contract and dump a bunch of money into the conference through the tournament.

Programs don't just get better because you want them to. You want them to get better? Tell recruits you're gonna play half your conference games against tournament teams and nationally ranked programs.

(03-20-2018 11:38 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 11:12 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 10:18 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 09:14 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 07:40 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  This is the biggest load of nonsense that surrounds the American. Honestly, it's like critical thought flies out the window when this comes up.

First of all, the American is not and never will be a "hybrid" conference. It's a football conference, and having 3 basketball only members doesn't change that. These schools did and will join knowing the structure and direction of the American. If we were to add Dayton and VCU, and one day the basketball only schools pull a new Big East and want to split, what do they do? Do you think a 3 team league works? Do you think the NCAA makes an exception and let's WSU, VCU, and Dayton, or Gonzaga, whoever, just play each other 18 times a year? Do you think they decide to go back to their previous conferences? Even if they did, the only thing that happens is that the conference returns to status quo 2017.

But again, why would they leave their current conferences for a football conference, only to come into conflict with the football schools? In what reality does that make sense?

The Big East was doomed from the beginning. Remember how Penn State was blocked in the 80's because a few members didn't want to strengthen the football side? Do you understand that it was formed as a basketball conference for football to become the primary revenue generator? Do you understand that 7 basketball only teams pushed together over decades is a whole lot different than 3 teams joining a conference that's explicitly football focused?

The old Big East has approximately zero to do with the American. Add VCU and Dayton, or you're missing out on millions in tournament revenue, a huge bump in basketball prestige, and a lineup that all the sudden is going to be consistently better than the Pac12. If they're serious about this P6 thing, basketball can't suck.

If it was not for football, who would care. Even with the MBB tournament results this year, I have to believe UCF's football results along with Memphis, USF, and even UH and Navy to an extent, MBB can survive and get better.

Football is going to magically float basketball? I don't think so. Adding all of 2 basketball schools is pretty low risk/high reward, and arguing against it because football is above average is as silly an argument you could make.

Trying to show that the conference being P6 is adding MBB teams is fools gold. The AAC brought in WSU to help MBB, but to solidify a P6 is winning more P5 games in football. Unless you are the NBE w/o football as a conception of a conference, football is what the conference will be judged by. If the AAC football keeps improving, MBB can have time to improve w/o adding teams. Having 3 teams in the NCAA this year, with two wins, was an improvement over the past AAC tournament showings since UConn won the NC.

This makes absolutely zero sense. Basketball won't magically "improve". If you're not a basketball fan, fine, but what the "conference will be judged by" isn't the biggest concern of mine. I want Temple basketball to be good.

Your roadmap for improving conference basketball being "it'll just get better" isn't realistic. What does "can have time" mean? Again, I'm a basketball fan. I don't put money into a conference member's pocket for tickets to wait 10 years for decent basketball so yituation.ou can have your toys on the football side. There's no good reason to exclude teams that would increase the value of the upcoming tv contract and dump a bunch of money into the conference through the tournament.

Programs don't just get better because you want them to. You want them to get better? Tell recruits you're gonna play half your conference games against tournament teams and nationally ranked programs.

I did not say it was a roadmap. I personally like baseball better. I feel it is realistic if football brings in more money to help with the current situation. UCF has never been a steady basketball success but w/o the injuries this year, the chances of UCF would have likely made the tournament. Something not expected most years. I have to believe football success has something to do with that.

(03-21-2018 12:11 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 11:38 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 11:12 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 10:18 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 09:14 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  If it was not for football, who would care. Even with the MBB tournament results this year, I have to believe UCF's football results along with Memphis, USF, and even UH and Navy to an extent, MBB can survive and get better.

Football is going to magically float basketball? I don't think so. Adding all of 2 basketball schools is pretty low risk/high reward, and arguing against it because football is above average is as silly an argument you could make.

Trying to show that the conference being P6 is adding MBB teams is fools gold. The AAC brought in WSU to help MBB, but to solidify a P6 is winning more P5 games in football. Unless you are the NBE w/o football as a conception of a conference, football is what the conference will be judged by. If the AAC football keeps improving, MBB can have time to improve w/o adding teams. Having 3 teams in the NCAA this year, with two wins, was an improvement over the past AAC tournament showings since UConn won the NC.

This makes absolutely zero sense. Basketball won't magically "improve". If you're not a basketball fan, fine, but what the "conference will be judged by" isn't the biggest concern of mine. I want Temple basketball to be good.

Your roadmap for improving conference basketball being "it'll just get better" isn't realistic. What does "can have time" mean? Again, I'm a basketball fan. I don't put money into a conference member's pocket for tickets to wait 10 years for decent basketball so yituation.ou can have your toys on the football side. There's no good reason to exclude teams that would increase the value of the upcoming tv contract and dump a bunch of money into the conference through the tournament.

Programs don't just get better because you want them to. You want them to get better? Tell recruits you're gonna play half your conference games against tournament teams and nationally ranked programs.

I did not say it was a roadmap. I personally like baseball better. I feel it is realistic if football brings in more money to help with the current situation. UCF has never been a steady basketball success but w/o the injuries this year, the chances of UCF would have likely made the tournament. Something not expected most years. I have to believe football success has something to do with that.

That's never now college sports has worked. Where's Bama's basketball natty? 1930, is where, hanging out with their most recent conference title in 1991.

Football doesn't float basketball, and it's absurd to think the best move for AAC basketball is to sit and do nothing while there are available programs that would exponentially improve the conference.

Without football, the AAC would not have even brought in WSU, let alone others. Football has been the driver of the conference. Cinci and UH won two games in the tourney, which was as good as prior AAC years besides the UConn NC. So as long as football does well, improving in MBB can wait with the present teams.

"Where's Bama's basketball natty? 1930, is where, hanging out with their most recent conference title in 1991."

Alabama is not a football blueblood. Kentucky is. UConn, Cinci, and Memphis has more of a history of winning MBB games that I remember. The AAC is not going to get any better by adding teams.

(03-21-2018 01:12 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Alabama is not a football blueblood. Kentucky is. The AAC is not going to get any better by adding teams.

True, but they did win the NIT this year..

(03-20-2018 11:05 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 11:01 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 10:25 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  P.S. We can't add Dayton because it's too close to Cincy. Dayton will never be in the AAC. But VCU and Gonzaga (basketball only) would be a no-brainer.


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Yea, unfortunately, I did note that a few posts back. Cinci would block it. But you're right, Zaga (even though I'm very skeptical of going further west) and VCU turn this into a scary good basketball conference, and both schools would jump at an invite.

Just no Gonzaga olympic sports. We're not hauling our entire conference to the great northwest for fking softball... They can keep the non-revenue affiliated with the WCC. Gonazaga would literally be basketball-only-only.


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I don't think the rules allow for that sort of thing.

(03-19-2018 09:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:27 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Between BYU fans and Wichita fans it would be an epic race to the bottom.

Let me know when Memphis accomplishes anything in this league.

Does a first round exit to a 13 seed count as bringing glory to your league, now?

(03-19-2018 09:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:27 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Between BYU fans and Wichita fans it would be an epic race to the bottom.

Let me know when Memphis accomplishes anything in this league.

Let us know when WS does also.