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Basketball fatigue has set in.

Here's a video of Ben Bryant throwing a football:

I'm still holding out hope he gets the starting job from day one.

It's gonna be a long offseason.

(03-19-2018 04:25 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Basketball fatigue has set in.

Here's a video of Ben Bryant throwing a football:

I'm still holding out hope he gets the starting job from day one.

It's gonna be a long offseason.

Looking for new blood? Go with D. Ridder. I'll take him over B. Bryant all day at this point. If only because he's spent a year in the system, and perhaps most importantly he's mobile. We have an iffy OL situation, so mobility will be a high value commodity.

If we pass over a cpl upperclassmen and an up & coming RS frosh for Mr. Bryant I think it's an ominous sign. He will have his day, however I just don't think it's this particular season. I think there's a high probability he RS to create some space between him and Ridder.





mc

I've heard positive things about Ridder as well and believe the staff is high on him. Whether it's his year or Bryant's remains to be seen, but its my hope that Hayden will assume a role as the veteran backup toward the end of the year, a la Munchie.

(03-19-2018 05:54 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I've heard positive things about Ridder as well and believe the staff is high on him. Whether it's his year or Bryant's remains to be seen, but its my hope that Hayden will assume a role as the veteran backup toward the end of the year, a la Munchie.

I take an opposite view. Hayden has three years of invaluable experience as our starter. At times he looks like an all star, other times he looks very mediocre to bad. The all star days had much to do with the caliber of receivers and offensive line to protect. I think Hayden can at least be a serviceable quarterback next year. The strength of the offense is running the ball. We do not want a new guy getting ptsd from starting behind a young line. Let that competition battle commence next year. Until then, give the ball to the experienced quarterback and see if running the ball and defense can keep us in the games.

(03-19-2018 07:47 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 05:54 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I've heard positive things about Ridder as well and believe the staff is high on him. Whether it's his year or Bryant's remains to be seen, but its my hope that Hayden will assume a role as the veteran backup toward the end of the year, a la Munchie.

I take an opposite view. Hayden has three years of invaluable experience as our starter. At times he looks like an all star, other times he looks very mediocre to bad. The all star days had much to do with the caliber of receivers and offensive line to protect. I think Hayden can at least be a serviceable quarterback next year. The strength of the offense is running the ball. We do not want a new guy getting ptsd from starting behind a young line. Let that competition battle commence next year. Until then, give the ball to the experienced quarterback and see if running the ball and defense can keep us in the games.

I think we win the most games with Hayden as our starter. If he can be a game manager, and our RBs boss up we can grind out some wins

I can't believe I'm saying that, buuuuuut experience is a major key


mc

(03-20-2018 07:11 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:47 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 05:54 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I've heard positive things about Ridder as well and believe the staff is high on him. Whether it's his year or Bryant's remains to be seen, but its my hope that Hayden will assume a role as the veteran backup toward the end of the year, a la Munchie.

I take an opposite view. Hayden has three years of invaluable experience as our starter. At times he looks like an all star, other times he looks very mediocre to bad. The all star days had much to do with the caliber of receivers and offensive line to protect. I think Hayden can at least be a serviceable quarterback next year. The strength of the offense is running the ball. We do not want a new guy getting ptsd from starting behind a young line. Let that competition battle commence next year. Until then, give the ball to the experienced quarterback and see if running the ball and defense can keep us in the games.

I think we win the most games with Hayden as our starter. If he can be a game manager, and our RBs boss up we can grind out some wins

I can't believe I'm saying that, buuuuuut experience is a major key


mc

Stats showed that Moore was far from the reason that we lost games last year. Moore just had 2 or 3 mistakes that stick out to the fans.

Meh... I don't see Moore as a "game manager" at all. Game Manager's don't turn the ball over at the clip he does. In addition to interceptions, he tends to get the ball stripped out of his hands a lot. The other thing about his turnovers, I can't ever recall a QB having so many turnovers that are returned for a touchdown, in the other team's end zone causing us to fail to score, or at the waning moments of a game stalling a potentially game winning or tying drive.

One of the fun things about college sports (and H.S.) is watching players grow and develop.

For example, wasn't it fun watching JJ a couple of years ago, transforming from high energy looking lost on the BB court, to a good (still high energy) player?

That said, I am hoping that Moore or Trail will grow like upper class men should, and lead the team properly. (Okay, I'm a little bit skeptical) If they don't, it might be fun to watch the next generation give it a try.

If you just want to see 30 year old pros go at it, treat yourself to some Bengals tickets.

(03-20-2018 08:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Meh... I don't see Moore as a "game manager" at all. Game Manager's don't turn the ball over at the clip he does. In addition to interceptions, he tends to get the ball stripped out of his hands a lot. The other thing about his turnovers, I can't ever recall a QB having so many turnovers that are returned for a touchdown, in the other team's end zone causing us to fail to score, or at the waning moments of a game stalling a potentially game winning or tying drive.

Moore threw 20 Touchdowns to 9 interceptions, and had 4 rushing TD and 4 Fumbles. The guy is not the reason for our woes. His receivers and offensive line gave him very little help.

(03-20-2018 08:49 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 07:11 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:47 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 05:54 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I've heard positive things about Ridder as well and believe the staff is high on him. Whether it's his year or Bryant's remains to be seen, but its my hope that Hayden will assume a role as the veteran backup toward the end of the year, a la Munchie.

I take an opposite view. Hayden has three years of invaluable experience as our starter. At times he looks like an all star, other times he looks very mediocre to bad. The all star days had much to do with the caliber of receivers and offensive line to protect. I think Hayden can at least be a serviceable quarterback next year. The strength of the offense is running the ball. We do not want a new guy getting ptsd from starting behind a young line. Let that competition battle commence next year. Until then, give the ball to the experienced quarterback and see if running the ball and defense can keep us in the games.

I think we win the most games with Hayden as our starter. If he can be a game manager, and our RBs boss up we can grind out some wins

I can't believe I'm saying that, buuuuuut experience is a major key


mc

Stats showed that Moore was far from the reason that we lost games last year. Moore just had 2 or 3 mistakes that stick out to the fans.

Moore was 105th in the country in QBR (out of 127 who qualified) last year and 102nd in 2016 (out of 120 who qualified). While I will agree he didn't get a whole lot of help from his WRs and OL, it's obvious the guy made more than just 2 or 3 mistakes last year. At this point in his career it's safe to say that the guy is a below average college QB. Most of his issues are mental because when things click he can be very good. Unfortunately that is a small portion of the time.

(03-20-2018 09:28 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 08:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Meh... I don't see Moore as a "game manager" at all. Game Manager's don't turn the ball over at the clip he does. In addition to interceptions, he tends to get the ball stripped out of his hands a lot. The other thing about his turnovers, I can't ever recall a QB having so many turnovers that are returned for a touchdown, in the other team's end zone causing us to fail to score, or at the waning moments of a game stalling a potentially game winning or tying drive.

Moore threw 20 Touchdowns to 9 interceptions, and had 4 rushing TD and 4 Fumbles. The guy is not the reason for our woes. His receivers and offensive line gave him very little help.

I kind of seeing it this way too. If you follow Chad and his reports, he went on record all summer long at bearcat camp about no receiver that stretched the field. As it turned out, there was no receiver to stretch the field placing a heavy burden on the quarterback. Moreover, our patchwork offensive line did not have the talent to get it done. Lastly, I was more than pleased with the toughness and the ability of hayden to run the ball.

It's not that I think Moore is as bad as we think he is, it's that he's nowhere near as good as we want him to be to justify having him on the field all season while the young guys could be picking up valuable minutes.

I'm not saying we should throw Ridder or Bryant to the wolves, but this season's goal is to make a bowl game, and if we can manage to do that with our future QB at the helm I think the team will be much better off for it.

It's certainly not unheard of for major programs to start a freshman QB. The only concern I have with that is if the O line is remains truly deficient, do we risk ruining a gifted up and comer early with the physical wear and tear?

(03-20-2018 10:16 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  It's not that I think Moore is as bad as we think he is, it's that he's nowhere near as good as we want him to be to justify having him on the field all season while the young guys could be picking up valuable minutes.

I'm not saying we should throw Ridder or Bryant to the wolves, but this season's goal is to make a bowl game, and if we can manage to do that with our future QB at the helm I think the team will be much better off for it.

Agreed. We have a lot of youth on this roster. I think we are a year or two removed from being very good. I'd rather go 6-6 with a Ridder or Bryant at the helm learning the ropes than go 6-6 with a quarterback who is in his 5th and final year in the program.

(03-19-2018 07:47 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 05:54 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I've heard positive things about Ridder as well and believe the staff is high on him. Whether it's his year or Bryant's remains to be seen, but its my hope that Hayden will assume a role as the veteran backup toward the end of the year, a la Munchie.

I take an opposite view. Hayden has three years of invaluable experience as our starter. At times he looks like an all star, other times he looks very mediocre to bad. The all star days had much to do with the caliber of receivers and offensive line to protect. I think Hayden can at least be a serviceable quarterback next year. The strength of the offense is running the ball. We do not want a new guy getting ptsd from starting behind a young line. Let that competition battle commence next year. Until then, give the ball to the experienced quarterback and see if running the ball and defense can keep us in the games.

If the offensive line is horrible protecting the QB, why do we assume that it is going to be productive in fostering a serviceable running game? Our O-Line is weak and it is a reason we struggled on both the pass and the run last year, particularly on third down. There were numerous times we had 3rd and 1 and could not convert, thus putting too much pressure on a leaky defense.

(03-20-2018 10:44 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:47 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 05:54 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I've heard positive things about Ridder as well and believe the staff is high on him. Whether it's his year or Bryant's remains to be seen, but its my hope that Hayden will assume a role as the veteran backup toward the end of the year, a la Munchie.

I take an opposite view. Hayden has three years of invaluable experience as our starter. At times he looks like an all star, other times he looks very mediocre to bad. The all star days had much to do with the caliber of receivers and offensive line to protect. I think Hayden can at least be a serviceable quarterback next year. The strength of the offense is running the ball. We do not want a new guy getting ptsd from starting behind a young line. Let that competition battle commence next year. Until then, give the ball to the experienced quarterback and see if running the ball and defense can keep us in the games.

If the offensive line is horrible protecting the QB, why do we assume that it is going to be productive in fostering a serviceable running game? Our O-Line is weak and it is a reason we struggled on both the pass and the run last year, particularly on third down. There were numerous times we had 3rd and 1 and could not convert, thus putting too much pressure on a leaky defense.

I think this year's offensive line is slightly better. Starting Hayden comes down to two points for me. First, I think that he is the best. If the coaches find that one of the other qbs are better, I have no beef. Second, if they are equal ability, do not throw the freshmen to the dogs. I think this action will limit their potential.

(03-20-2018 02:49 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 10:44 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:47 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 05:54 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I've heard positive things about Ridder as well and believe the staff is high on him. Whether it's his year or Bryant's remains to be seen, but its my hope that Hayden will assume a role as the veteran backup toward the end of the year, a la Munchie.

I take an opposite view. Hayden has three years of invaluable experience as our starter. At times he looks like an all star, other times he looks very mediocre to bad. The all star days had much to do with the caliber of receivers and offensive line to protect. I think Hayden can at least be a serviceable quarterback next year. The strength of the offense is running the ball. We do not want a new guy getting ptsd from starting behind a young line. Let that competition battle commence next year. Until then, give the ball to the experienced quarterback and see if running the ball and defense can keep us in the games.

If the offensive line is horrible protecting the QB, why do we assume that it is going to be productive in fostering a serviceable running game? Our O-Line is weak and it is a reason we struggled on both the pass and the run last year, particularly on third down. There were numerous times we had 3rd and 1 and could not convert, thus putting too much pressure on a leaky defense.

I think this year's offensive line is slightly better. Starting Hayden comes down to two points for me. First, I think that he is the best. If the coaches find that one of the other qbs are better, I have no beef. Second, if they are equal ability, do not throw the freshmen to the dogs. I think this action will limit their potential.

I think forth year Hayden Moore can be an average starting QB in the league, maybe above average if things break right. If coaches believe Ben Bryant can be better than that, great. I'm betting Moore starts all year, but he's not good enough that it will be a certainty.

(03-19-2018 04:25 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Basketball fatigue has set in.

Here's a video of Ben Bryant throwing a football:

I'm still holding out hope he gets the starting job from day one.

It's gonna be a long offseason.

Agree, hoping Ben impresses & starts from day 1.

(03-20-2018 02:50 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 02:49 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 10:44 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:47 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 05:54 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I've heard positive things about Ridder as well and believe the staff is high on him. Whether it's his year or Bryant's remains to be seen, but its my hope that Hayden will assume a role as the veteran backup toward the end of the year, a la Munchie.

I take an opposite view. Hayden has three years of invaluable experience as our starter. At times he looks like an all star, other times he looks very mediocre to bad. The all star days had much to do with the caliber of receivers and offensive line to protect. I think Hayden can at least be a serviceable quarterback next year. The strength of the offense is running the ball. We do not want a new guy getting ptsd from starting behind a young line. Let that competition battle commence next year. Until then, give the ball to the experienced quarterback and see if running the ball and defense can keep us in the games.

If the offensive line is horrible protecting the QB, why do we assume that it is going to be productive in fostering a serviceable running game? Our O-Line is weak and it is a reason we struggled on both the pass and the run last year, particularly on third down. There were numerous times we had 3rd and 1 and could not convert, thus putting too much pressure on a leaky defense.

I think this year's offensive line is slightly better. Starting Hayden comes down to two points for me. First, I think that he is the best. If the coaches find that one of the other qbs are better, I have no beef. Second, if they are equal ability, do not throw the freshmen to the dogs. I think this action will limit their potential.

I think forth year Hayden Moore can be an average starting QB in the league, maybe above average if things break right. If coaches believe Ben Bryant can be better than that, great. I'm betting Moore starts all year, but he's not good enough that it will be a certainty.

If i were a betting man I would say Hayden is about a 75% lock with Riddler being his competition. I bet Bryant takes a redshirt.

(03-21-2018 09:54 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 02:50 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 02:49 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 10:44 AM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 07:47 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I take an opposite view. Hayden has three years of invaluable experience as our starter. At times he looks like an all star, other times he looks very mediocre to bad. The all star days had much to do with the caliber of receivers and offensive line to protect. I think Hayden can at least be a serviceable quarterback next year. The strength of the offense is running the ball. We do not want a new guy getting ptsd from starting behind a young line. Let that competition battle commence next year. Until then, give the ball to the experienced quarterback and see if running the ball and defense can keep us in the games.

If the offensive line is horrible protecting the QB, why do we assume that it is going to be productive in fostering a serviceable running game? Our O-Line is weak and it is a reason we struggled on both the pass and the run last year, particularly on third down. There were numerous times we had 3rd and 1 and could not convert, thus putting too much pressure on a leaky defense.

I think this year's offensive line is slightly better. Starting Hayden comes down to two points for me. First, I think that he is the best. If the coaches find that one of the other qbs are better, I have no beef. Second, if they are equal ability, do not throw the freshmen to the dogs. I think this action will limit their potential.

I think forth year Hayden Moore can be an average starting QB in the league, maybe above average if things break right. If coaches believe Ben Bryant can be better than that, great. I'm betting Moore starts all year, but he's not good enough that it will be a certainty.

If i were a betting man I would say Hayden is about a 75% lock with Riddler being his competition. I bet Bryant takes a redshirt.

I co-sign on that. I'd even up the percentage. I think he's more like 85-90% likely to get the starting job.

I suspect that the main difference this year is that we're more likely to bring in another option sooner than we were last year....be it Trail, or Ridder.




mc