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(03-19-2018 02:18 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The more talent the better, but people forget that Huggins (and lots of other successful coaches) didn't/doesn't go head to head with Calipari, Pitino and Krzyzewski, etc., for one-and-dones. He took/takes on development projects who just a a lot higher ceiling than Mick's.

Huggins had DickyV doing midnight madness live on ESPN. After final four run we started getting nba players every year. Mick took recruiting to another level at UC. Every Mcdonalds all american in UC history Mick recruited. Flint, satterfield, johnson, williams

(03-19-2018 02:31 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  Even as a freshman, Clark was contributing and clearly showed tremendous upside potential. Two years ago, Evans did the same. Ditto Cumberland last year. Each of these players passed the eye test with being able to step on the floor and really add value and create buzz for the future of the Bearcat program.

Frankly, I just didn't see that level of play from Williams or Moore this year. They have potential; we hope they become great. But neither was ready to contribute in the way Evans and Cumberland did as freshmen.

Brooks and Scott contributed off the bench this year. Again, maybe they get a lot better this summer. But I feel they would have earned even more minutes if they'd demonstrated some offensive consistency--even from point blank range.

Maybe there will be a surprise addition to this recruiting class. But it begs the question, how can we be in year 12 of this regime and not have some bigs who were really pushing our starters this year to steal playing time? I think this talent gap will mean a 10-12 loss season and a struggle to make the tourney next year. And I hope I'm wrong about all of this. But at some point, to do the same things and expect different results is the definition of...an unhappy March.

If we wasnt so deep at guard, I believe with playing time williams would've settled in. Nsome was #1 C in Canada

(03-19-2018 03:46 PM)Intimidate Dominate Celebrate Wrote:  we will continue to see losses like this when it matters- stall ball, slow play, micro managing - and that is why I think Mick has reached his peak

This is your takeaway from yesterday's loss? Stall ball and slow play?

The thing that hurt so much was this WAS THE YEAR! Two big seniors and two good wings but no PG. Ouch!

(03-19-2018 03:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:24 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  The Daum kid from S. Dakota St is eligible for a graduate transfer this year and if I was Mick I would be calling him on the Bat phone immediately!

You obviously haven't been keeping track of Mick's roster composition/preferred player style if you think he'd go after a 3-point shooting big with + rebounding who averages 20 ppg.

Trust me i get it that he doesn't fit the norm, but wouldn't it be nice. The kid is going to play in the league or another DI. Would love for it to be UC!

(03-19-2018 06:08 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:24 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  The Daum kid from S. Dakota St is eligible for a graduate transfer this year and if I was Mick I would be calling him on the Bat phone immediately!

You obviously haven't been keeping track of Mick's roster composition/preferred player style if you think he'd go after a 3-point shooting big with + rebounding who averages 20 ppg.

Trust me i get it that he doesn't fit the norm, but wouldn't it be nice. The kid is going to play in the league or another DI. Would love for it to be UC!

Can't remember where but i thought i heard he was staying at sdsu

(03-19-2018 06:08 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:33 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:24 PM)Tomcat Wrote:  The Daum kid from S. Dakota St is eligible for a graduate transfer this year and if I was Mick I would be calling him on the Bat phone immediately!

You obviously haven't been keeping track of Mick's roster composition/preferred player style if you think he'd go after a 3-point shooting big with + rebounding who averages 20 ppg.

Trust me i get it that he doesn't fit the norm, but wouldn't it be nice. The kid is going to play in the league or another DI. Would love for it to be UC!

Can't remember where but i thought i heard he was staying at sdsu

(03-19-2018 04:42 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:18 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The more talent the better, but people forget that Huggins (and lots of other successful coaches) didn't/doesn't go head to head with Calipari, Pitino and Krzyzewski, etc., for one-and-dones. He took/takes on development projects who just a a lot higher ceiling than Mick's.

Huggins had DickyV doing midnight madness live on ESPN. After final four run we started getting nba players every year. Mick took recruiting to another level at UC. Every Mcdonalds all american in UC history Mick recruited. Flint, satterfield, johnson, williams

Mick recruited them for Huggs. Those guys came here to play for Huggs not Mick. Mick has not been able to land the same talent for himself thus far.

(03-19-2018 06:40 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 04:42 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:18 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The more talent the better, but people forget that Huggins (and lots of other successful coaches) didn't/doesn't go head to head with Calipari, Pitino and Krzyzewski, etc., for one-and-dones. He took/takes on development projects who just a a lot higher ceiling than Mick's.

Huggins had DickyV doing midnight madness live on ESPN. After final four run we started getting nba players every year. Mick took recruiting to another level at UC. Every Mcdonalds all american in UC history Mick recruited. Flint, satterfield, johnson, williams

Mick recruited them for Huggs. Those guys came here to play for Huggs not Mick. Mick has not been able to land the same talent for himself thus far.

Neither has Huggs.

(03-19-2018 04:56 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:46 PM)Intimidate Dominate Celebrate Wrote:  we will continue to see losses like this when it matters- stall ball, slow play, micro managing - and that is why I think Mick has reached his peak

This is your takeaway from yesterday's loss? Stall ball and slow play?

Did they not walk it up, looking over to the bench for direction?

Did they not run poor offense, forcing a bad jump shot?

Is that not the same recipe that always dooms them every big game for years?

That "strategy" has and will no change under mick

(03-19-2018 08:19 PM)Intimidate Dominate Celebrate Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 04:56 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:46 PM)Intimidate Dominate Celebrate Wrote:  we will continue to see losses like this when it matters- stall ball, slow play, micro managing - and that is why I think Mick has reached his peak

This is your takeaway from yesterday's loss? Stall ball and slow play?

Did they not walk it up, looking over to the bench for direction?

Did they not run poor offense, forcing a bad jump shot?

Is that not the same recipe that always dooms them every big game for years?

That "strategy" has and will no change under mick

Dude, the main reason that they blew that huge lead was because they did not slow it down. I don't know how anyone can think otherwise.

(03-19-2018 08:10 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 06:40 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 04:42 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:18 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The more talent the better, but people forget that Huggins (and lots of other successful coaches) didn't/doesn't go head to head with Calipari, Pitino and Krzyzewski, etc., for one-and-dones. He took/takes on development projects who just a a lot higher ceiling than Mick's.

Huggins had DickyV doing midnight madness live on ESPN. After final four run we started getting nba players every year. Mick took recruiting to another level at UC. Every Mcdonalds all american in UC history Mick recruited. Flint, satterfield, johnson, williams

Mick recruited them for Huggs. Those guys came here to play for Huggs not Mick. Mick has not been able to land the same talent for himself thus far.

Neither has Huggs.

So Huggs didn’t land those recruits to UC? It was all Mick? If so, why can’t he replicate how he recruited under Huggs? Because those guys came here to play for Huggs not Mick. Mick has recruiting chops when he’s recruiting for a Hall of Famer.

Yeah, no idea what you're getting at. We gave up 38 points in 12 minutes.

(03-19-2018 09:14 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 08:10 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 06:40 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 04:42 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:18 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The more talent the better, but people forget that Huggins (and lots of other successful coaches) didn't/doesn't go head to head with Calipari, Pitino and Krzyzewski, etc., for one-and-dones. He took/takes on development projects who just a a lot higher ceiling than Mick's.

Huggins had DickyV doing midnight madness live on ESPN. After final four run we started getting nba players every year. Mick took recruiting to another level at UC. Every Mcdonalds all american in UC history Mick recruited. Flint, satterfield, johnson, williams

Mick recruited them for Huggs. Those guys came here to play for Huggs not Mick. Mick has not been able to land the same talent for himself thus far.

Neither has Huggs.

So Huggs didn’t land those recruits to UC? It was all Mick? If so, why can’t he replicate how he recruited under Huggs? Because those guys came here to play for Huggs not Mick. Mick has recruiting chops when he’s recruiting for a Hall of Famer.

Nah, not what I'm saying at all.

(03-19-2018 01:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 11:24 AM)Lush Wrote:  somebody grab a chatter hat. found it

brooks, 4, 5, 1
cumberland 17, 5, 3
broome 14, 4, 4
williams 10, 2, 2
jenifer 6, 2, 4

scott 6, 2, 7
moore 7, 1, 2
nsoseme 3, 3, 0
diarra 2, 2, 0
hardnett, 3, 0, 1
johnson 5, 2, 2

If that's our starting five, just shoot me now. Tre Scott will be starting, and I don't see Jenifer, Broome, and Williams on the floor together to start.

yeah, it probably won't be pretty. i think it'd be a fun old school 80's type of show. without much inside presence we'll need guards who aren't afraid to mix it up inside. i have astronomical hopes for williams. of course, we'll need to play at a quicker pace

7-10 seed early exit.

(03-20-2018 07:04 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  7-10 seed early exit.

Could easily see UC get a middle range seed and make run next year. The tournament is still very random in that a team just needs to catch fire for a couple days.

Edit: Just make sure they play a power conference team. 5-0 against the middle of the pack from the power conferences. With UC's luck they will end up playing another super mid-major team. Always root against playing the mid-majors and root for playing the Texas, Oklahoma, Purdue, Missouri, Alabama and so on types.

(03-19-2018 09:14 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Yeah, no idea what you're getting at. We gave up 38 points in 12 minutes.

Purely hypothetical, but in retrospect it would have been fun to have Troy Caupain back at the point for that final eleven minutes. With him as the floor general I think UC would have finished well and we'd be booking trips to the Sweet Sixteen today.

The experiment of point guard by committee seemed to serve the team well during the regular season but it also pointed out that no single player possessed the necessary tools to own the job. At this point, I'd suggest that remains a big problem for next year, along with the frontline replacements.

Gray for Houston was a very special player. When I wasn't seeing him against UC, he was a joy to watch. He shot and willed that team to victory on many occasions this past season. I want an alpha dog guard like Gray.

(03-20-2018 07:46 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 09:14 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Yeah, no idea what you're getting at. We gave up 38 points in 12 minutes.

Purely hypothetical, but in retrospect it would have been fun to have Troy Caupain back at the point for that final eleven minutes. With him as the floor general I think UC would have finished well and we'd be booking trips to the Sweet Sixteen today.

The experiment of point guard by committee seemed to serve the team well during the regular season but it also pointed out that no single player possessed the necessary tools to own the job. At this point, I'd suggest that remains a big problem for next year, along with the frontline replacements.

Gray for Houston was a very special player. When I wasn't seeing him against UC, he was a joy to watch. He shot and willed that team to victory on many occasions this past season. I want an alpha dog guard like Gray.

Interesting that Cronin said on his radio show the only position he wasn't looking at to finish the class with was PG. PG was glaringly our biggest weakness, yet he doesnt feel the need to upgrade next year? Maybe he feels Logan Johnson 2ill be good enough from day 1 to make an I think impact, but I doubt it.

JJ does some good things as far as defense and ball control but he looks ridiculous when he penetrates the defense. I believe he airballed a layup Sunday. If here he's earned his time but I'm not sure we wouldn't be better off if he pulled a GLawn and finished up elsewhere. Give Broome the veteran PG minutes and Logan the backup minutes so he's ready to go as a sophomore.