(03-14-2018 04:30 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  I'm very surprised at the deal. I really thought ESPN was going to be in the picture with their new plus platform. I don't really see the MWC or AAC getting in as heavily as the SBC and MAC for revenue sports, but think it would have beneficial for CUSA...both in exposure and dollars.

Looks to me like Espn has banked on Sun Belt and said no to Cusa. They are saying that App State, Ga southern and Troy represent more upside to them. Fascinating.

I have a really bad feeling about the next round for us. The G4 seem to be setting a pretty low floor, and my guess is that we'll end up much closer to them than the other P6, especially with ESPN being slowly run into the ground lately.

(03-14-2018 04:39 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:39 PM)glay83 Wrote:  The conference that ranked dead last in revenue inked a new deal with CBS for "significantly more revenue and broader distribution than before."

This was the deal i was hoping the American would do. Maybe it may help with ESPN negotiations at least?

"significantly more revenue" is such a broad term when you are making 200k per

anyone know how long?

Runs through 2022-2023.

I wouldn't of wanted this particular deal but wanted a deal with a major network such as CBS or Fox not only CBS Sports Network as rumors are that a lot of AAC games will be relegated to the ESPN add on online services.

I follow tv contract info as closely as I can and haven't heard or read about that rumor. I do think oly sports and current AAC ESPN3 content will find it's way to PLUS, but doubt linear tv appearances decrease as everything I've found points to a tv deal across multiple partners. The only way PLUS gets a large part of current AAC content is if ESPN really ups the ante. And then, at that point, I'm not even sure it would make make financial sense from an ad. dollars vs. sub. rates perspective.

Count me among those that aren't happy with the CUSA deal. Nobody seems to know how much money each school will get, but I cant imagine it being more than $500k each considering most of it is on FB and Stadium. Unless its closer to $1M per school I would have rather had everything on ESPN3 and regional linear TV and encouraged better production.

I am surprised some of you guys think this bodes well for the AAC though. I just cant see media groups cutting these crap deals with the SB, CUSA, MAC and then paying out multi-millions to the MW and AAC. I realize you all think you're in a different level... and will grant you that overall things are a higher caliber, but the media outlets are going to lump you in with the rest of us. They'll be thinking "well we got CUSA for $500k per school, we will hold out and get the AAC for $1.2 million per school" or something like that. A rising tide raises all boats, and I don't think it looks like the tide is rising. I cant imagine you will be happy with $2 million or less per school... but would think thats the neighborhood you're going to be at when negotiation happens. I guess we'll see.

(03-14-2018 04:39 PM)glay83 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:39 PM)glay83 Wrote:  The conference that ranked dead last in revenue inked a new deal with CBS for "significantly more revenue and broader distribution than before."

This was the deal i was hoping the American would do. Maybe it may help with ESPN negotiations at least?

"significantly more revenue" is such a broad term when you are making 200k per

anyone know how long?

Runs through 2022-2023.

I wouldn't of wanted this particular deal but wanted a deal with a major network such as CBS or Fox not only CBS Sports Network as rumors are that a lot of AAC games will be relegated to the ESPN add on online services.

Tier 3 yes

(03-14-2018 04:37 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  This is one of those "depends where you're standing" things for the Sunbelt schools. Some of us already had the infrastructure in place to produce our own feeds. Others will have to build it but the rumor is that the money they will realize from the deal should offset the cost of production infrastructure. That remains to be seen.

CUSA deal is so sketchy right now it's hard to say what they have. On the surface it looks pretty bad.

For GSU it ended up not even being an issue. We already have a statewide TV channel caked GSUTV that's made through the film school, so they produce the ESPN3 content. Costs associated with it come from the film schools academic budget, not the athletics budget.

(03-14-2018 04:56 PM)monarx Wrote:  Count me among those that aren't happy with the CUSA deal. Nobody seems to know how much money each school will get, but I cant imagine it being more than $500k each considering most of it is on FB and Stadium. Unless its closer to $1M per school I would have rather had everything on ESPN3 and regional linear TV and encouraged better production.

I am surprised some of you guys think this bodes well for the AAC though. I just cant see media groups cutting these crap deals with the SB, CUSA, MAC and then paying out multi-millions to the MW and AAC. I realize you all think you're in a different level... and will grant you that overall things are a higher caliber, but the media outlets are going to lump you in with the rest of us. They'll be thinking "well we got CUSA for $500k per school, we will hold out and get the AAC for $1.2 million per school" or something like that. A rising tide raises all boats, and I don't think it looks like the tide is rising. I cant imagine you will be happy with $2 million or less per school... but would think thats the neighborhood you're going to be at when negotiation happens. I guess we'll see.

Eh, while I think this P6/G4 stuff is silly, the basketball in AAC alone is probably worth a good contact. If the AAC commissioner is good at negotiating, it shouldn't be difficult to get a decent contact. I seriously doubt it'll be in the right figure range or school, but i would imagine it should be millions per school.

(03-14-2018 04:52 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  I have a really bad feeling about the next round for us. The G4 seem to be setting a pretty low floor, and my guess is that we'll end up much closer to them than the other P6, especially with ESPN being slowly run into the ground lately.

Strictly from an AAC/ESPN perspective, it's certainly not bad news. It'd be more worrisome if they guaranteed CUSA linear broadcasts that could potentially replace AAC slots at cheaper rates...as some have suggested in other threads. This leaves the MWC as the main competitor for those slots with the time difference favoring the AAC for prime time placement.

(03-14-2018 04:56 PM)monarx Wrote:  Count me among those that aren't happy with the CUSA deal. Nobody seems to know how much money each school will get, but I cant imagine it being more than $500k each considering most of it is on FB and Stadium. Unless its closer to $1M per school I would have rather had everything on ESPN3 and regional linear TV and encouraged better production.

I am surprised some of you guys think this bodes well for the AAC though. I just cant see media groups cutting these crap deals with the SB, CUSA, MAC and then paying out multi-millions to the MW and AAC. I realize you all think you're in a different level... and will grant you that overall things are a higher caliber, but the media outlets are going to lump you in with the rest of us. They'll be thinking "well we got CUSA for $500k per school, we will hold out and get the AAC for $1.2 million per school" or something like that. A rising tide raises all boats, and I don't think it looks like the tide is rising. I cant imagine you will be happy with $2 million or less per school... but would think thats the neighborhood you're going to be at when negotiation happens. I guess we'll see.

we arent grouped with the bottom three in any fashion ..and and dramatically more respected than the mwc
listen to any media execs interview in response to cord cutting..they say they are still going to spend money on big tv deals, they just wont be buying all of them anymore..

it used to be monopolize, now its strategize..
we are considered a top 7 basketball league, had 3 top 25 in baskeball and football...our basketball and football CCG out rated the pac 12 ..

unfortunately for c-usa they are below the line, i have a hard time seeing execs putting us below the line ..we arent on the same tide...cbssports chose to air games versus our bottom feeders over games versus 8/9 win teams in your league ..they dont see us the same ..

and fun fact..till this very day no tv contract with majority the same member has ever gotten a decrease..EVER.. why would we drop to 1.2mil

our commish just last week said a marginal increase wont be accepted, it has to be folds increase...

(03-14-2018 05:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:56 PM)monarx Wrote:  Count me among those that aren't happy with the CUSA deal. Nobody seems to know how much money each school will get, but I cant imagine it being more than $500k each considering most of it is on FB and Stadium. Unless its closer to $1M per school I would have rather had everything on ESPN3 and regional linear TV and encouraged better production.

I am surprised some of you guys think this bodes well for the AAC though. I just cant see media groups cutting these crap deals with the SB, CUSA, MAC and then paying out multi-millions to the MW and AAC. I realize you all think you're in a different level... and will grant you that overall things are a higher caliber, but the media outlets are going to lump you in with the rest of us. They'll be thinking "well we got CUSA for $500k per school, we will hold out and get the AAC for $1.2 million per school" or something like that. A rising tide raises all boats, and I don't think it looks like the tide is rising. I cant imagine you will be happy with $2 million or less per school... but would think thats the neighborhood you're going to be at when negotiation happens. I guess we'll see.

we arent grouped with the bottom three in any fashion ..and and dramatically more respected than the mwc
listen to any media execs interview in response to cord cutting..they say they are still going to spend money on big tv deals, they just wont be buying all of them anymore..

it used to be monopolize, now its strategize..
we are considered a top 7 basketball league, had 3 top 25 in baskeball and football...our basketball and football CCG out rated the pac 12 ..

unfortunately for c-usa they are below the line, i have a hard time seeing execs putting us below the line ..we arent on the same tide...cbssports chose to air games versus our bottom feeders over games versus 8/9 win teams in your league ..they dont see us the same ..

and fun fact..till this very day no tv contract with majority the same member has ever gotten a decrease..EVER.. why would we drop to 1.2mil

our commish just last week said a marginal increase wont be accepted, it has to be folds increase...

Why are ratings so hard for some people to understand? That is the meat on the resume and we have been doing extremely well, blowing expectations through the roof. Even beat out big East and PAC in basketball tournaments.

Yup, it's not a P or G thing, that's for articles, op eds and blogs. As I mentioned above, if the "ESPN effect" championed by some here was real, then it stands to reason that they'd be gobbling up other nonpower conference rights to replace more expensive AAC content. That they are not is lost on some I think.

(03-14-2018 04:23 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:44 PM)Doglando Wrote:  The deal is for cbs sports, stadium, and facebook. that sucks, we do not want that

Does stadium have ANY inventory? It is on Sling and Pluto and I never see any live action programming listed.

Yes, I have seen quite a few CUSA football and basketball games on the OTA network. In addition, they show the Patriot League football, basketball and right now lacrosse.

They just restarted at the end of last summer, so I'm sure we'll be seeing more live inventory in the coming year. I'm sure the MW will play a bigger role for them as they started showing MW volleyball last fall.

I think the P5 schools will take a big pay cut next time around. Cord cutters are just part of the problem and I just don't think anyone will pony up 30+ million per school. Maybe 20 million, but even that might be high. Honestly I think we double what we make since our ratings make it worthwhile and we'd be a great bargain. I just don't see us getting to 10 million a school.

Hearing that the next MWC contract will pay Boise $2.5 Mil while everyone else earns just under 10 dollars.

(03-14-2018 06:05 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Hearing that the next MWC contract will pay Boise $2.5 Mil while everyone else earns just under 10 dollars.

No way. Boise will get 2.6 while the other MWC schools have to pay ESPN. I mean MWC ratings were only higher than than the big east and PAC on Saturday. If you can't beat the PAC and big east ratings you are pathetic. I bet the AAC even came kind of close to the MWC in attendence in the conference tournaments last week. That's bad when you get Vegas as your host city instead of the floating AAC tournament that could be held in Connecticut one year and Orlando the next.

From the context of distinguishing itself from the SBC signing a deal with CBS was worth it to CUSA.

However I don't think the number of appearances are impressive on CBS. The MAC is 20 in football between ESPN/CBS. The SBC I think is up to 10 on ESPN. If CUSA was pushing up to 25 FB or BB appearances I'd be more concerned the space won't be there for A10 or MWC.

AAC of course is at a totally different conversation level.

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(03-14-2018 04:07 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:57 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Posters on the CUSA board are guessing $500K. They don't seem pleased with the overall deal.

If it is only $500K, that gives me serious pause about CBS Sports and Facebook putting up a competitive bid for the AAC media deal next year. The AAC needs bidders to throw up significant offers in order to get ESPN to increase what we are getting on the current deal. Yes, I expects CBS Sports/Facebook to put more money for the AAC services, and I expect other bidders such as NBC and Fox to jump in as well. That being said I think it is fair to gauge whether CBS Sports is all in by what they are throwing out to CUSA.

This is what I've been saying since day one when everyone keeps throwing out these ridiculous numbers. The financial fall from grace of the media hogs along with the lack of competitive bids is not a landscape that will net us 8-figure per team contracts...it just isn't.

They just gave a conference with basically zero ratings a raise. How that supports the view the AAC is getting almost nothing is beyond me. This article claims CUSA DOUBLED their payout.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...fcc22.html

(03-14-2018 06:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:07 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:57 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Posters on the CUSA board are guessing $500K. They don't seem pleased with the overall deal.

If it is only $500K, that gives me serious pause about CBS Sports and Facebook putting up a competitive bid for the AAC media deal next year. The AAC needs bidders to throw up significant offers in order to get ESPN to increase what we are getting on the current deal. Yes, I expects CBS Sports/Facebook to put more money for the AAC services, and I expect other bidders such as NBC and Fox to jump in as well. That being said I think it is fair to gauge whether CBS Sports is all in by what they are throwing out to CUSA.

This is what I've been saying since day one when everyone keeps throwing out these ridiculous numbers. The financial fall from grace of the media hogs along with the lack of competitive bids is not a landscape that will net us 8-figure per team contracts...it just isn't.

They just gave a conference with basically zero ratings a raise. How that supports the view the AAC is getting almost nothing is beyond me.

I think the AAC can get about double. 4 million something a year per team with a a probable 5 million a year for a 10 year or 12 year deal and some weekday games and ESPIN plus games.

I used to think we'd get $3-4 million max, but after seeing the ratings we put up last year in football and now in basketball, I am starting to think we can hit the $8-10 million per team range. If we can bring in half as many viewers, why shouldn't we be able to get 1/3 the money?

(03-14-2018 06:58 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I used to think we'd get $3-4 million max, but after seeing the ratings we put up last year in football and now in basketball, I am starting to think we can hit the $8-10 million per team range. If we can bring in half as many viewers, why shouldn't we be able to get 1/3 the money?

I see 4 as the floor. I think 6 to 8 is completely possible. I'd be extremely happy if it falls in your 8-10 range---but I think thats probably too high.