(03-06-2018 07:34 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 07:18 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I enjoy when posters who are probably middle to upper management flex their muscles and try to draw parallels to their industry/business and how they evaluate and plan with D1 athletics directors, sports teams, coaches, and players. I don't think these are similar worlds. I give Rowe a C- at this point- if significant improvements aren't made by next season he will likely get a D or F- if the team improves the way I think they are capable of and will I can see him getting a C+ or B by the end of year 3.

He is on probation, plane and simple, and I don't think you get placed on probation with a C-. He's got one thing keeping him here and it's not any signature wins, post season victories, or even any small winning streaks, he's upgraded the talent. That's it.

Who put him on probation? I will be at the front of the line next year if the team isn't markedly better and a winning team in terms of record saying that it's not going to work with Lou Rowe as coach but it can take some time to get it going- building a culture, bringing in new players, getting the players to play within the system- a lot of behind the scenes things that ultimately contribute to winning that we don't see.

Ultimately you are graded on wins and losses I just think he gets another year before the grade is finalized. In many situations 4 years is what coaches get I'm cool with 3 years if next year is another stinker but I really don't think it will be.

People need to stop calling this team good shooters or great on offense. They had the worst 2P% and 3P% in conference play. That's a bad offense, and bad shooting. I think they'll improve a lot next season, and it's why I'm hopeful, but the reason this team exited the CAA tournament and failed to post a winning record is because the offense was incredibly inefficient and streaky at best. The defense, in spite of what everyone seems to think, is what kept the Dukes in games. Credit to Rowe for getting his guys to play hard on D. Interesting to think of how good this team could be with an average offense.

In terms of performance, and met or failed expectations. The Dukes were picked the CAA to finish last and did. Obviously, that was not our expectation. The players and the defense were better than expected though. I too, am giving a 2.5 because your rating system and descriptions are crap. :D

(03-06-2018 07:38 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 07:34 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 07:18 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I enjoy when posters who are probably middle to upper management flex their muscles and try to draw parallels to their industry/business and how they evaluate and plan with D1 athletics directors, sports teams, coaches, and players. I don't think these are similar worlds. I give Rowe a C- at this point- if significant improvements aren't made by next season he will likely get a D or F- if the team improves the way I think they are capable of and will I can see him getting a C+ or B by the end of year 3.

He is on probation, plane and simple, and I don't think you get placed on probation with a C-. He's got one thing keeping him here and it's not any signature wins, post season victories, or even any small winning streaks, he's upgraded the talent. That's it.

Who put him on probation? I will be at the front of the line next year if the team isn't markedly better and a winning team in terms of record saying that it's not going to work with Lou Rowe as coach but it can take some time to get it going- building a culture, bringing in new players, getting the players to play within the system- a lot of behind the scenes things that ultimately contribute to winning that we don't see.

Ultimately you are graded on wins and losses I just think he gets another year before the grade is finalized. In many situations 4 years is what coaches get I'm cool with 3 years if next year is another stinker but I really don't think it will be.

Bold above is the exact definition of probation. It means you better pick it up or you are out. The final part of that sentence I have in bold means he has failed. You clearly are stating you have placed him on probation without saying the word.

If he's on "probation", how many wins does it take next year to avoid getting fired?

I suspect that number is very different depending on who you ask. That's why it's dangerous to claim '97 is putting him "on probation". That word doesn't functionally mean anything specific to different people.

We really should remember that he has a 5-year contract. JMU kept Matt Brady as a lame duck in his final contract year. The only leadership change from then is a president who probably couldn't make 5/10 unguarded layups. I don't think our leadership will eat two contract years unless someone steps up with a donation. Even then, I am skeptical.

I think it's fair to make an assessment after Year 3. I think he will get 4 seasons before he is at-risk.

just checked, and confirmed that it doesn't matter what any of us rate our head basketball coach. carry on.

(03-06-2018 10:46 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  just checked, and confirmed that it doesn't matter what any of us rate our head basketball coach. carry on.

Wait, so my GOAT HCLR designation is meaningless???

(03-06-2018 10:11 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  If he's on "probation", how many wins does it take next year to avoid getting fired?

I suspect that number is very different depending on who you ask. That's why it's dangerous to claim '97 is putting him "on probation". That word doesn't functionally mean anything specific to different people.

We really should remember that he has a 5-year contract. JMU kept Matt Brady as a lame duck in his final contract year. The only leadership change from then is a president who probably couldn't make 5/10 unguarded layups. I don't think our leadership will eat two contract years unless someone steps up with a donation. Even then, I am skeptical.

I think it's fair to make an assessment after Year 3. I think he will get 4 seasons before he is at-risk.

Isn't he making roughly half or maybe 2/3's of what Brady was? Wouldn't this make it a touch easier to say goodbye? Please note, I want to see us explode into something special with the current staff, so please don't think otherwise. I simply don't see another identical W/L record of the first two and giving him a fourth. As stated before, I'm not emotionally attached right now, but I wan't under Brady either (though I liked the guy, enjoyed conversation with him, he always had time to talk even when attending a FB game with his kids).

That would be logical, but I think JMU is very averse to setting new precedents when it comes to spending more to get rid of a coach.

(03-07-2018 06:47 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Isn't he making roughly half or maybe 2/3's of what Brady was? Wouldn't this make it a touch easier to say goodbye? Please note, I want to see us explode into something special with the current staff, so please don't think otherwise. I simply don't see another identical W/L record of the first two and giving him a fourth. As stated before, I'm not emotionally attached right now, but I wan't under Brady either (though I liked the guy, enjoyed conversation with him, he always had time to talk even when attending a FB game with his kids).

+1

Based on the guidelines I would give Rowe a '2'. If on a grading scale I give him a C-.

I see this past season as really Rowe's first year with players he recruited and had the athletic ability to play a brand of basketball that he wants JMU to play. The offense and shooting% needs to improve and I think that will as players continue to develop. That is based on the natural progression as players develop from freshmen to upper classmen. This past year JMU started 2 freshmen (Lewis and Banks) who played 30+ minutes per game and another 3 freshmen (Jacobs/Wilson/Jones) who logged significant playing time. To go along with 2 newcomers (Mosley and Phillips) who started. It was unfortunate that the grad transfer got hurt, I think that would have provided a lot of stability in the frontcourt, but in the long-term that injury also pushed the maturation and development of Jacobs/Wilson/Jones. It was also unfortunate that the transfer from VCU could not deliver and could not adjust and accept to being a role-player. I don't think JMU will miss Snowden nor McClean. Both are good guys but both are mediocre talents and role players. I think Rowe will backfill with good talent. JMU actually improved a lot IMO rebounding and on the defensive side of the ball this past season.

I think we will have a much better picture of Rowe and the true state of the bball program after next season. I expect them to be top-4 in the CAA and win 18-20 games. I think with the infusion of young talent this team is pointed in the correct direction. Either way I think Rowe will get 4 years which I think a coach deserves to truly evaluate him. That is a full recruiting cycle.

I am rooting for Coach Rowe but I am less optimistic after our inability to close out games. Sooner or later, that falls on the coach for not being able to stop the meltdown. I agree with the talent is up but the x's and o's are lacking.

I disagree with the take on our shooting. I think the shooters are fine, it's the shot selection that led to the low percentage. Once again, that falls on the offensive scheme. We seemed to hit the outside shots when we were open. We didn't get enough good looks imo. Very little transition baskets and not enough good shots in the paint. (I'll admit Jacobs and Jones struggled from short range.......but I'm hoping that changes with more minutes)

I'm not really looking to give a grade until next year. I considered him handicapped on first year with recruiting. I saw a talent upgrade in year two. I'm looking for better use of the talent next year. I enjoyed watching almost every game this year and I'm hoping we break through in year three. Rowe has to look in the mirror though to admit he needs to work on his game for this to work.

(03-07-2018 10:33 AM)Halz87 Wrote:  I am rooting for Coach Rowe but I am less optimistic after our inability to close out games. Sooner or later, that falls on the coach for not being able to stop the meltdown. I agree with the talent is up but the x's and o's are lacking.

I disagree with the take on our shooting. I think the shooters are fine, it's the shot selection that led to the low percentage. Once again, that falls on the offensive scheme. We seemed to hit the outside shots when we were open. We didn't get enough good looks imo. Very little transition baskets and not enough good shots in the paint. (I'll admit Jacobs and Jones struggled from short range.......but I'm hoping that changes with more minutes)

I'm not really looking to give a grade until next year. I considered him handicapped on first year with recruiting. I saw a talent upgrade in year two. I'm looking for better use of the talent next year. I enjoyed watching almost every game this year and I'm hoping we break through in year three. Rowe has to look in the mirror though to admit he needs to work on his game for this to work.

I agree that shot selection is part of the low percentage for sure. I just find it hard to believe that there is that large of a disparity in shot selection that makes a bunch of "great shooters" the worst 3pt% in the conference. I actually am less worried about the low 2pt% because we drew a ton of fouls on the year, most in the conference I believe.

(03-06-2018 11:05 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:46 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  just checked, and confirmed that it doesn't matter what any of us rate our head basketball coach. carry on.

Wait, so my GOAT HCLR designation is meaningless???

No - you're spot on. I simply mean the fan-base conducting a performance appraisal to the head coach is useless.

(03-07-2018 01:23 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 11:05 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:46 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  just checked, and confirmed that it doesn't matter what any of us rate our head basketball coach. carry on.

Wait, so my GOAT HCLR designation is meaningless???

No - you're spot on. I simply mean the fan-base conducting a performance appraisal to the head coach is useless.

Then I guess you'd never believe a $.25M check from the right fan wouldn't make a difference. I hate this kind of talk on public forum, I want LR to go on a tear and for JMU MBB to become relevant again.

(03-07-2018 01:38 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 01:23 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 11:05 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:46 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  just checked, and confirmed that it doesn't matter what any of us rate our head basketball coach. carry on.

Wait, so my GOAT HCLR designation is meaningless???

No - you're spot on. I simply mean the fan-base conducting a performance appraisal to the head coach is useless.

Then I guess you'd never believe a $.25M check from the right fan wouldn't make a difference. I hate this kind of talk on public forum, I want LR to go on a tear and for JMU MBB to become relevant again.

Yeah, let's delete all the useless talk on this forum. Oh wait, that's literally everything...

I'm gonna be that guy & wonder why $.25M is easier to type than $250K.

Still love you, BP!

(03-06-2018 06:42 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  So far the following ratings have been given...
Dukes94 2
JMUfan2008 2
JMUETC 2
TribeTransfer 2
JMURocks! 3
PurpleHazed invalid. Get off the fence and select 2 or 3
BSKB invalid. Get off the fence and select 2 or 3
PhillyDuke 2
JMUNation 2

Is that it? Any others? Lots of comments on the thread but only a few performance appraisals.

Put me down for a 2 with the trending arrow downward. Not the teams performance, necessarily, but I can’t offer a 1.5 and it wasn’t a 1, soooo.

Issue I have, among many, is we barely managed to eek out a double digit W season, were scarcely under an RPI of 300(!)...

And in the best of times managed a whopping 2 game win streak. Somethings missing there.

With as many close Ls as they had, there is reason for some optimism moving forward, but to this point it’s the same tune on the broken jukebox over and over and over again.

Yet another season of futility. I’d give it one more year...

(03-07-2018 03:43 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I'm gonna be that guy & wonder why $.25M is easier to type than $250K.

Still love you, BP!

I got a good laugh at anyone writing a $.25M check to the Men's BB program

(03-07-2018 03:43 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I'm gonna be that guy & wonder why $.25M is easier to type than $250K.

Still love you, BP!

Duuuh...never been one to take the easy route.

(03-07-2018 03:50 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 06:42 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  So far the following ratings have been given...
Dukes94 2
JMUfan2008 2
JMUETC 2
TribeTransfer 2
JMURocks! 3
PurpleHazed invalid. Get off the fence and select 2 or 3
BSKB invalid. Get off the fence and select 2 or 3
PhillyDuke 2
JMUNation 2

Is that it? Any others? Lots of comments on the thread but only a few performance appraisals.

Put me down for a 2 with the trending arrow downward. Not the teams performance, necessarily, but I can’t offer a 1.5 and it wasn’t a 1, soooo.

Issue I have, among many, is we barely managed to eek out a double digit W season, were scarcely under an RPI of 300(!)...

And in the best of times managed a whopping 2 game win streak. Somethings missing there.

With as many close Ls as they had, there is reason for some optimism moving forward, but to this point it’s the same tune on the broken jukebox over and over and over again.

Yet another season of futility. I’d give it one more year...

YES! We've sucked Dunk into the discussion after lurking from deep in the woods all year.