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(03-06-2018 01:01 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Thanksgiving dinner like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX6bQkiu8JI

Classic episode. It's scary how young they all look.

I read this mess and I laugh. Coach Jones isn't going anywhere. 2nd place in Conference USA behind Middle Tennessee is a fine finish. Good luck to you folks thinking he will be leaving. This thread is the ODU Comedy Show.

(03-05-2018 11:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:14 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 10:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Simple question that nobody is willing to answer. How long do we wait for a tournament bid?

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Who? Posters on this board aren't willing to answer? That's highly unlikely as that's all we do is share our opinions. That's a subjective idea.

Are you looking for something formal or consensus from peers to rationalize your unhappiness with the program?

6 years 3 months 23 days. Not a day more.

I'm looking for someone. One person to have an actual, reasonable discussion about the elephant in the room.

Year in and year out most people on this board say next year it is tournament or bust. Then they get impressed by a recruiting class almost none of us has ever seen play one second of basketball or 24 wins against the 270 something rated schedule in the nation, and change their tune to "we have to give him more time.

I am tired of purgatory. Of course I am rooting for the team. Why the hell else would I have gone to every home game this season? I refuse to lower my expectations because some people don't agree with me. I would just like it if people would contribute to the discussion when they post rather than just complaining about the opinions of others.

So what is the answer? How long do we wait? Or do we just sit here year after year making excuses and pinning our hopes on something magical happening next year, just riding it out until we win fewer that 20 games so there is no plausible excuse to keep waiting?

People continually say you don't fire a coach when they win 20 games, well we already broke the mold by hiring a coach that won 10 games the year before we brought him on board. Seriously though, has that ever happened before?

... And we are in a thread about firing a coach. Those who don't want to be a part of that discussion have a very clear warning as to exactly what they are stepping into when they click the link.

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A tournament bid is still in play. Let's see what happens.

(03-05-2018 11:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:14 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 10:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Simple question that nobody is willing to answer. How long do we wait for a tournament bid?

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Who? Posters on this board aren't willing to answer? That's highly unlikely as that's all we do is share our opinions. That's a subjective idea.

Are you looking for something formal or consensus from peers to rationalize your unhappiness with the program?

6 years 3 months 23 days. Not a day more.

I'm looking for someone. One person to have an actual, reasonable discussion about the elephant in the room.

Year in and year out most people on this board say next year it is tournament or bust. Then they get impressed by a recruiting class almost none of us has ever seen play one second of basketball or 24 wins against the 270 something rated schedule in the nation, and change their tune to "we have to give him more time.

I am tired of purgatory. Of course I am rooting for the team. Why the hell else would I have gone to every home game this season? I refuse to lower my expectations because some people don't agree with me. I would just like it if people would contribute to the discussion when they post rather than just complaining about the opinions of others.

So what is the answer? How long do we wait? Or do we just sit here year after year making excuses and pinning our hopes on something magical happening next year, just riding it out until we win fewer that 20 games so there is no plausible excuse to keep waiting?

People continually say you don't fire a coach when they win 20 games, well we already broke the mold by hiring a coach that won 10 games the year before we brought him on board. Seriously though, has that ever happened before?

... And we are in a thread about firing a coach. Those who don't want to be a part of that discussion have a very clear warning as to exactly what they are stepping into when they click the link.

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I think the AD is in a really tough spot with this decision. We aren't paying enough to entice a P5 assistant. We might not be paying enough to entice a mid-major coach. That leaves mid-major assistants and low major (or lower level) head coaches and assistants. And you would be trying to entice them after firing a coach who has never had a losing season, won 24 games or more 3 times and will win 24 (or more) games in his final season. Weak schedule or not, it could appear to be a program with unrealistic expectations to outsiders. That's tough.

Further, the recruiting is improving. He's getting the caliber of player that may finally get us over the top. We could be there next year. And once you get there once, recruiting gets easier and the program could get really rolling.

If we fire him, how much would that delay getting to that level?

On the other hand, he hasn't made the tournament. His teams have flatlined in the conference tournament. We are in the longest stretch between berths in program history. And that's the ultimate goal. We also haven't seen the type of crowds one should expect for how much this team wins.

I don't envy them having to make this call. It's not as cut and dry as anyone wants to make it.

Hopefully their performance this week gives us the clarity necessary to make the right call. I think they're good enough to win it and hope they do.

(03-06-2018 09:19 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:14 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 10:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Simple question that nobody is willing to answer. How long do we wait for a tournament bid?

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Who? Posters on this board aren't willing to answer? That's highly unlikely as that's all we do is share our opinions. That's a subjective idea.

Are you looking for something formal or consensus from peers to rationalize your unhappiness with the program?

6 years 3 months 23 days. Not a day more.

I'm looking for someone. One person to have an actual, reasonable discussion about the elephant in the room.

Year in and year out most people on this board say next year it is tournament or bust. Then they get impressed by a recruiting class almost none of us has ever seen play one second of basketball or 24 wins against the 270 something rated schedule in the nation, and change their tune to "we have to give him more time.

I am tired of purgatory. Of course I am rooting for the team. Why the hell else would I have gone to every home game this season? I refuse to lower my expectations because some people don't agree with me. I would just like it if people would contribute to the discussion when they post rather than just complaining about the opinions of others.

So what is the answer? How long do we wait? Or do we just sit here year after year making excuses and pinning our hopes on something magical happening next year, just riding it out until we win fewer that 20 games so there is no plausible excuse to keep waiting?

People continually say you don't fire a coach when they win 20 games, well we already broke the mold by hiring a coach that won 10 games the year before we brought him on board. Seriously though, has that ever happened before?

... And we are in a thread about firing a coach. Those who don't want to be a part of that discussion have a very clear warning as to exactly what they are stepping into when they click the link.

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

I think the AD is in a really tough spot with this decision. We aren't paying enough to entice a P5 assistant. We might not be paying enough to entice a mid-major coach. That leaves mid-major assistants and low major (or lower level) head coaches and assistants. And you would be trying to entice them after firing a coach who has never had a losing season, won 24 games or more 3 times and will win 24 (or more) games in his final season. Weak schedule or not, it could appear to be a program with unrealistic expectations to outsiders. That's tough.

Further, the recruiting is improving. He's getting the caliber of player that may finally get us over the top. We could be there next year. And once you get there once, recruiting gets easier and the program could get really rolling.

If we fire him, how much would that delay getting to that level?

On the other hand, he hasn't made the tournament. His teams have flatlined in the conference tournament. We are in the longest stretch between berths in program history. And that's the ultimate goal. We also haven't seen the type of crowds one should expect for how much this team wins.

I don't envy them having to make this call. It's not as cut and dry as anyone wants to make it.

Hopefully their performance this week gives us the clarity necessary to make the right call. I think they're good enough to win it and hope they do.

That's the dilemma I'm considering. On one hand, I want to get excited about Selection Sunday again. It's been too long. (Hopefully, we'll win our next three games and settle the issue for everybody.)

My main criticism of Jones during his first 4 years was a much his lack of recruiting as it was lack of NCAA Tournament appearances. He seems to have fixed that problem, at least on paper. Unfortunately, we may not know how good these players actually are until 2 years from now. Do we wait that long?

And hypothetically, if we don't win it all in Frisco and end up in the NIT, is that enough to keep some of us at bay another year (especially if we get a good big man as a grad transfer)?

I don't have any answers yet, so I'll wait to see where we end up this year.

Win 3 in Frisco and the answers become much clearer.

This week in Frisco is as good a chance for us to dance as we have had in a loooong time! We need to win it. We are as talented and physical as any team there. I used to feel optimistic in Richmond with BT every year, but that all disappeared when Blaine left. Winning this tournament with this team would be a step in the right direction to getting us back to that place in time again! We need to win and not be satisfied with NIT.

(03-06-2018 09:53 AM)Spantheman34 Wrote:  This week in Frisco is as good a chance for us to dance as we have had in a loooong time! We need to win it. We are as talented and physical as any team there. I used to feel optimistic in Richmond with BT every year, but that all disappeared when Blaine left. Winning this tournament with this team would be a step in the right direction to getting us back to that place in time again! We need to win and not be satisfied with NIT.

I mean. Two years ago we played in the conference title game and lost by two in the final seconds and the year before that we were in the first four out for an at large bid. Frustrating and disappointing for sure. But we've been very close in the very recent past.

(03-06-2018 09:42 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 09:19 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:14 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 10:27 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Simple question that nobody is willing to answer. How long do we wait for a tournament bid?

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Who? Posters on this board aren't willing to answer? That's highly unlikely as that's all we do is share our opinions. That's a subjective idea.

Are you looking for something formal or consensus from peers to rationalize your unhappiness with the program?

6 years 3 months 23 days. Not a day more.

I'm looking for someone. One person to have an actual, reasonable discussion about the elephant in the room.

Year in and year out most people on this board say next year it is tournament or bust. Then they get impressed by a recruiting class almost none of us has ever seen play one second of basketball or 24 wins against the 270 something rated schedule in the nation, and change their tune to "we have to give him more time.

I am tired of purgatory. Of course I am rooting for the team. Why the hell else would I have gone to every home game this season? I refuse to lower my expectations because some people don't agree with me. I would just like it if people would contribute to the discussion when they post rather than just complaining about the opinions of others.

So what is the answer? How long do we wait? Or do we just sit here year after year making excuses and pinning our hopes on something magical happening next year, just riding it out until we win fewer that 20 games so there is no plausible excuse to keep waiting?

People continually say you don't fire a coach when they win 20 games, well we already broke the mold by hiring a coach that won 10 games the year before we brought him on board. Seriously though, has that ever happened before?

... And we are in a thread about firing a coach. Those who don't want to be a part of that discussion have a very clear warning as to exactly what they are stepping into when they click the link.

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

I think the AD is in a really tough spot with this decision. We aren't paying enough to entice a P5 assistant. We might not be paying enough to entice a mid-major coach. That leaves mid-major assistants and low major (or lower level) head coaches and assistants. And you would be trying to entice them after firing a coach who has never had a losing season, won 24 games or more 3 times and will win 24 (or more) games in his final season. Weak schedule or not, it could appear to be a program with unrealistic expectations to outsiders. That's tough.

Further, the recruiting is improving. He's getting the caliber of player that may finally get us over the top. We could be there next year. And once you get there once, recruiting gets easier and the program could get really rolling.

If we fire him, how much would that delay getting to that level?

On the other hand, he hasn't made the tournament. His teams have flatlined in the conference tournament. We are in the longest stretch between berths in program history. And that's the ultimate goal. We also haven't seen the type of crowds one should expect for how much this team wins.

I don't envy them having to make this call. It's not as cut and dry as anyone wants to make it.

Hopefully their performance this week gives us the clarity necessary to make the right call. I think they're good enough to win it and hope they do.

That's the dilemma I'm considering. On one hand, I want to get excited about Selection Sunday again. It's been too long. (Hopefully, we'll win our next three games and settle the issue for everybody.)

My main criticism of Jones during his first 4 years was a much his lack of recruiting as it was lack of NCAA Tournament appearances. He seems to have fixed that problem, at least on paper. Unfortunately, we may not know how good these players actually are until 2 years from now. Do we wait that long?

And hypothetically, if we don't win it all in Frisco and end up in the NIT, is that enough to keep some of us at bay another year (especially if we get a good big man as a grad transfer)?

I don't have any answers yet, so I'll wait to see where we end up this year.

Win 3 in Frisco and the answers become much clearer.

Here's the thing:

Jeff is recruiting and has brought in the proper staff to get some good recruits into the program. They are closing deals with players that we have not seen in a long time. These three coming in, are borderline P5 guys. That is not an opinion, that has been stated by multiple recruiting sources. You can check the recruiting box.

I do not like Jeff's coaching style. However, this has nothing to do with his "berating the players". I believe that holding them to higher standard, results in good students and good people. The only thing I hear about the character of the guys on this roster, is that they are great kids on and off the court. I don't like Jeff's inability to promote his program. I don't like his enthusiasm. I don't need him jumping around in excitement during games, but some positive emotion would be nice every once in a while. I also, do not like his sets that we run over and over again but that argument fails when the offense has performed at such a high level this year.Jeff deserves all of the credit for changing his style of play and allowing the guys to get up and down the floor. Allowing Ahmad to get in the open floor has resulted in a huge gain in scoring for the team. End of game coaching really worries me.

My biggest problem with Jeff is his inability to get true freshman ready to play. I am not looking for a freshman to be all conference, but I want to see a true freshman provide some really important minutes for the program in the upcoming years. It amazes me that other programs can get their freshman ready to play but we cannot. This will result in transfers if a freshman cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel. Because of what I am hearing, I remain very worried about MHJ returning to the program. I am sure the more talented players we bring in, the sooner Coach Jones will be able to get them on the floor.

As far as making a coaching change....The grass isn't always greener on the other side. I know some of you wanted Keatts, but that ship has sailed. How many of those are there in the country? I doubt there are many. Until Jeff brings in a lack luster recruiting class and has a bad season to go along with it, I think he needs to stay and continue the upward trajectory of this program. I do disagree with the idea of a coach not wanting to come to a program that fires a coach that has won 20 games. To me, that is the definition of aiming high. I believe there are plenty of coaches that will see that and think "this program believes they have the resources in place to make a run in a NCAA Tournament". I want a tournament birth as badly as the Jones haters, but right now is not the time to remove him as head coach. Hopefully we can pull off a great tournament run and have a chance to get there this year. The thing that worries me most about this team, is that I believe every team that has a chance to win this tournament, has a better 6th and 7th man than we do. Hopefully good X shows up this week.

JJ definitely stepped up recruiting this year. Problem is so did other teams. We don’t have the best incoming class in the league. We may be a better team in a couple years but I don’t see us moving up the CUSA standings. We will likely still be second, third or fourth, only with a higher rpi. So unless we become a multi bid league we may not see the NCAA even w a better squad. But I do think JJ deserves a shot to prove what he can do with these guys. Especially if we make the NIT a couple Times.

To try to be positive this week, JJ can get credit for these insofar as recruiting:

1. Trey Freeman, the Stiths - Yes, Freeman fell in his lap and Stiths were due to Bryant, but remember 2 of Blaines top players (Loughton and Lee) also fell in his lap and several others (Hassell, Bazemore, Valdas) were total projects that were not considered great recruits.

2. Ahmad Caver

3. Trey Porter

4. Xavier Green - While I don't think he is ready to play the minutes he is getting, we have seen enough to know he will ultimately be a star if he continues to progress.

5. Randy Haynes - We know the story. He is a different player now that JJ has gotten him to buy in.

(03-06-2018 10:32 AM)monarx Wrote:  JJ definitely stepped up recruiting this year. Problem is so did other teams. We don’t have the best incoming class in the league. We may be a better team in a couple years but I don’t see us moving up the CUSA standings. We will likely still be second, third or fourth, only with a higher rpi. So unless we become a multi bid league we may not see the NCAA even w a better squad. But I do think JJ deserves a shot to prove what he can do with these guys. Especially if we make the NIT a couple Times.

Who has a better ranked recruiting class than us?

(03-06-2018 10:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:32 AM)monarx Wrote:  JJ definitely stepped up recruiting this year. Problem is so did other teams. We don’t have the best incoming class in the league. We may be a better team in a couple years but I don’t see us moving up the CUSA standings. We will likely still be second, third or fourth, only with a higher rpi. So unless we become a multi bid league we may not see the NCAA even w a better squad. But I do think JJ deserves a shot to prove what he can do with these guys. Especially if we make the NIT a couple Times.

Who has a better ranked recruiting class than us?

Kentucky?

(03-06-2018 10:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:32 AM)monarx Wrote:  JJ definitely stepped up recruiting this year. Problem is so did other teams. We don’t have the best incoming class in the league. We may be a better team in a couple years but I don’t see us moving up the CUSA standings. We will likely still be second, third or fourth, only with a higher rpi. So unless we become a multi bid league we may not see the NCAA even w a better squad. But I do think JJ deserves a shot to prove what he can do with these guys. Especially if we make the NIT a couple Times.

Who has a better ranked recruiting class than us?

UAB. But that is debatable.

If you add Kithcart to the mix, nobody is even close.

(03-06-2018 10:45 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:32 AM)monarx Wrote:  JJ definitely stepped up recruiting this year. Problem is so did other teams. We don’t have the best incoming class in the league. We may be a better team in a couple years but I don’t see us moving up the CUSA standings. We will likely still be second, third or fourth, only with a higher rpi. So unless we become a multi bid league we may not see the NCAA even w a better squad. But I do think JJ deserves a shot to prove what he can do with these guys. Especially if we make the NIT a couple Times.

Who has a better ranked recruiting class than us?

UAB. But that is debatable.

Why are we saying it is such a great recruiting class? Not saying it isn't, but where are you getting the data from?

According to Verbal Commits all 4 of them are 2* recruits. For comparison:

Kithcart - 3.3*
Godwin - 3*
Hueitt - 3*
Green - 2.5*
Carver - 2*
Alfis Pilavios - 2*

(03-06-2018 10:19 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 09:42 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 09:19 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:14 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  Who? Posters on this board aren't willing to answer? That's highly unlikely as that's all we do is share our opinions. That's a subjective idea.

Are you looking for something formal or consensus from peers to rationalize your unhappiness with the program?

6 years 3 months 23 days. Not a day more.

I'm looking for someone. One person to have an actual, reasonable discussion about the elephant in the room.

Year in and year out most people on this board say next year it is tournament or bust. Then they get impressed by a recruiting class almost none of us has ever seen play one second of basketball or 24 wins against the 270 something rated schedule in the nation, and change their tune to "we have to give him more time.

I am tired of purgatory. Of course I am rooting for the team. Why the hell else would I have gone to every home game this season? I refuse to lower my expectations because some people don't agree with me. I would just like it if people would contribute to the discussion when they post rather than just complaining about the opinions of others.

So what is the answer? How long do we wait? Or do we just sit here year after year making excuses and pinning our hopes on something magical happening next year, just riding it out until we win fewer that 20 games so there is no plausible excuse to keep waiting?

People continually say you don't fire a coach when they win 20 games, well we already broke the mold by hiring a coach that won 10 games the year before we brought him on board. Seriously though, has that ever happened before?

... And we are in a thread about firing a coach. Those who don't want to be a part of that discussion have a very clear warning as to exactly what they are stepping into when they click the link.

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

I think the AD is in a really tough spot with this decision. We aren't paying enough to entice a P5 assistant. We might not be paying enough to entice a mid-major coach. That leaves mid-major assistants and low major (or lower level) head coaches and assistants. And you would be trying to entice them after firing a coach who has never had a losing season, won 24 games or more 3 times and will win 24 (or more) games in his final season. Weak schedule or not, it could appear to be a program with unrealistic expectations to outsiders. That's tough.

Further, the recruiting is improving. He's getting the caliber of player that may finally get us over the top. We could be there next year. And once you get there once, recruiting gets easier and the program could get really rolling.

If we fire him, how much would that delay getting to that level?

On the other hand, he hasn't made the tournament. His teams have flatlined in the conference tournament. We are in the longest stretch between berths in program history. And that's the ultimate goal. We also haven't seen the type of crowds one should expect for how much this team wins.

I don't envy them having to make this call. It's not as cut and dry as anyone wants to make it.

Hopefully their performance this week gives us the clarity necessary to make the right call. I think they're good enough to win it and hope they do.

That's the dilemma I'm considering. On one hand, I want to get excited about Selection Sunday again. It's been too long. (Hopefully, we'll win our next three games and settle the issue for everybody.)

My main criticism of Jones during his first 4 years was a much his lack of recruiting as it was lack of NCAA Tournament appearances. He seems to have fixed that problem, at least on paper. Unfortunately, we may not know how good these players actually are until 2 years from now. Do we wait that long?

And hypothetically, if we don't win it all in Frisco and end up in the NIT, is that enough to keep some of us at bay another year (especially if we get a good big man as a grad transfer)?

I don't have any answers yet, so I'll wait to see where we end up this year.

Win 3 in Frisco and the answers become much clearer.

Here's the thing:

Jeff is recruiting and has brought in the proper staff to get some good recruits into the program. They are closing deals with players that we have not seen in a long time. These three coming in, are borderline P5 guys. That is not an opinion, that has been stated by multiple recruiting sources. You can check the recruiting box.

I do not like Jeff's coaching style. However, this has nothing to do with his "berating the players". I believe that holding them to higher standard, results in good students and good people. The only thing I hear about the character of the guys on this roster, is that they are great kids on and off the court. I don't like Jeff's inability to promote his program. I don't like his enthusiasm. I don't need him jumping around in excitement during games, but some positive emotion would be nice every once in a while. I also, do not like his sets that we run over and over again but that argument fails when the offense has performed at such a high level this year.Jeff deserves all of the credit for changing his style of play and allowing the guys to get up and down the floor. Allowing Ahmad to get in the open floor has resulted in a huge gain in scoring for the team. End of game coaching really worries me.

My biggest problem with Jeff is his inability to get true freshman ready to play. I am not looking for a freshman to be all conference, but I want to see a true freshman provide some really important minutes for the program in the upcoming years. It amazes me that other programs can get their freshman ready to play but we cannot. This will result in transfers if a freshman cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel. Because of what I am hearing, I remain very worried about MHJ returning to the program. I am sure the more talented players we bring in, the sooner Coach Jones will be able to get them on the floor.

As far as making a coaching change....The grass isn't always greener on the other side. I know some of you wanted Keatts, but that ship has sailed. How many of those are there in the country? I doubt there are many. Until Jeff brings in a lack luster recruiting class and has a bad season to go along with it, I think he needs to stay and continue the upward trajectory of this program. I do disagree with the idea of a coach not wanting to come to a program that fires a coach that has won 20 games. To me, that is the definition of aiming high. I believe there are plenty of coaches that will see that and think "this program believes they have the resources in place to make a run in a NCAA Tournament". I want a tournament birth as badly as the Jones haters, but right now is not the time to remove him as head coach. Hopefully we can pull off a great tournament run and have a chance to get there this year. The thing that worries me most about this team, is that I believe every team that has a chance to win this tournament, has a better 6th and 7th man than we do. Hopefully good X shows up this week.

All very good and fair points. I will argue that I think folks sell our program short when they think that we would struggle to get a really good coach to come to ODU. In our last two rounds of hiring we had the option to hire the best young coach in the business. Gregg Marshall then Kevin Keatts. The options are there, we just have to make the right hire.

(03-06-2018 10:49 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:45 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:32 AM)monarx Wrote:  JJ definitely stepped up recruiting this year. Problem is so did other teams. We don’t have the best incoming class in the league. We may be a better team in a couple years but I don’t see us moving up the CUSA standings. We will likely still be second, third or fourth, only with a higher rpi. So unless we become a multi bid league we may not see the NCAA even w a better squad. But I do think JJ deserves a shot to prove what he can do with these guys. Especially if we make the NIT a couple Times.

Who has a better ranked recruiting class than us?

UAB. But that is debatable.

Why are we saying it is such a great recruiting class? Not saying it isn't, but where are you getting the data from?

According to Verbal Commits all 4 of them are 2* recruits. For comparison:

Kithcart - 3.3*
Godwin - 3*
Hueitt - 3*
Green - 2.5*
Carver - 2*
Alfis Pilavios - 2*

The recruiting class coming in...By 247

Joe Reece- 3 star-.9004 rating
Kalu Ezipke-3 star-.8556 rating
Jason Wade-3 star-.8556 rating
Justice Kithcart-3 star-.8942 rating

I guess it depends who is doing the ratings. Hopefully one of the bigs will be ready for big minutes by November.

At 90 and 89.4, Reece and Kithcart are just shy of being 4* recruits.

(03-06-2018 10:49 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:45 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 10:32 AM)monarx Wrote:  JJ definitely stepped up recruiting this year. Problem is so did other teams. We don’t have the best incoming class in the league. We may be a better team in a couple years but I don’t see us moving up the CUSA standings. We will likely still be second, third or fourth, only with a higher rpi. So unless we become a multi bid league we may not see the NCAA even w a better squad. But I do think JJ deserves a shot to prove what he can do with these guys. Especially if we make the NIT a couple Times.

Who has a better ranked recruiting class than us?

UAB. But that is debatable.

Why are we saying it is such a great recruiting class? Not saying it isn't, but where are you getting the data from?

According to Verbal Commits all 4 of them are 2* recruits. For comparison:

Kithcart - 3.3*
Godwin - 3*
Hueitt - 3*
Green - 2.5*
Carver - 2*
Alfis Pilavios - 2*

If you use the Verbal Commits data, we are second in conference behind WKY.