Quote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-mexica...57723.html

A Mexican man who was deported twice and had a history of arrests was able to assume the identity of an American citizen and receive more than $360,000 in government benefits for nearly four decades, California court records show.

Andres Avelino Anduaga used a fake birth certificate starting in 1980 to develop a seemingly legitimate persona by applying for a California driver's license, Social Security number and U.S. passport, according to documents obtained by the San Diego Union-Tribune . The official U.S. documents identified him as Abraham Riojos, born in Texas in 1958.

Anduaga, who's actually 66 years old and a resident of Tijuana, Mexico, pleaded guilty last week in San Diego to theft of public property and being a previously removed unauthorized immigrant in the U.S., the newspaper reported Saturday.

He has agreed to pay back government agencies what he stole but could face additional fines and 12 years in prison when sentenced in May.

Anduaga's charade began to unravel in April 2015 during a standard review to determine whether he was still eligible for disability benefits. The man who called himself Riojos gave an address in the Southern California city of Chula Vista, according to the criminal complaint. But when investigators visited the home in January 2016, the landlord admitted Riojos never lived there but instead resided in Mexico, court papers show.

Investigators turned to border crossing records, finding frequent travels indicating Riojos had likely been living in Mexico.

You know this is not the only person doing this....

I wonder how many like this man a Wall would have stopped the first time or the 2nd time after being deported.

That damn wall can end up making money

BTW Supplemental Security Income benefits is based off how much income you have coming in and should be reviewable every 12 months. So either the real Abraham Riojos who lived in a small town in rural Florida never worked or at least not at a job where taxes were being withheld

I have no clue why they keep wanting to come here illegally.....not a single clue....

color me stupid for wanting a secure southern border and enforcing existing laws....

that's just silly talk....

Impossible, The leftists on here constantly tell us there's no way illegal aliens can get benefits.

(03-04-2018 10:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Impossible, The leftists on here constantly tell us there's no way illegal aliens can get benefits.

or vote.....

it's all just crazy talk.....

Think about it for a second, this man signed up on SSI, at the age of 38....

someone had to be directing him on how to do this. SSI is not based off your work history...only that you are disable and fall under the guideline on how much income and money on hand you have. So this guy did not work and pay into the system

Boy I bet it pisses David St off this illegal can get SSI and he can't.

Oh it is impossible to vote illegally also.

(03-04-2018 10:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

Quote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-mexica...57723.html

A Mexican man who was deported twice and had a history of arrests was able to assume the identity of an American citizen and receive more than $360,000 in government benefits for nearly four decades, California court records show.

Andres Avelino Anduaga used a fake birth certificate starting in 1980 to develop a seemingly legitimate persona by applying for a California driver's license, Social Security number and U.S. passport, according to documents obtained by the San Diego Union-Tribune . The official U.S. documents identified him as Abraham Riojos, born in Texas in 1958.

Anduaga, who's actually 66 years old and a resident of Tijuana, Mexico, pleaded guilty last week in San Diego to theft of public property and being a previously removed unauthorized immigrant in the U.S., the newspaper reported Saturday.

He has agreed to pay back government agencies what he stole but could face additional fines and 12 years in prison when sentenced in May.

Anduaga's charade began to unravel in April 2015 during a standard review to determine whether he was still eligible for disability benefits. The man who called himself Riojos gave an address in the Southern California city of Chula Vista, according to the criminal complaint. But when investigators visited the home in January 2016, the landlord admitted Riojos never lived there but instead resided in Mexico, court papers show.

Investigators turned to border crossing records, finding frequent travels indicating Riojos had likely been living in Mexico.

You know this is not the only person doing this....

I wonder how many like this man a Wall would have stopped the first time or the 2nd time after being deported.

That damn wall can end up making money

I believe the phrase would be "tip of the iceberg"......

Don't bother arguing this with a lefty, their response will be two fold, it's an "isolated" case and you're a racist.

Wait, so this illegal took TEN TIMES as much money as what it cost to purchase Ben Carson's fake news story $30,000 dinette set? And yet not one libturd has weighed in on this?

Team over country.

LOL, when Jack Abramoff swindles millions, that's not a sign of anything I suppose.

But when a man in Mexico (the subject in this case actually lived in Tijuana) steals the identity of someone for fraudulent purposes, then its somehow the fault of Mexican Americans? There are plenty of white people who do these types of crimes too. A lot come from Eastern Europe and like the criminal in question here, aren't even living in the United States when doing so.

This is a simple case of theft across borders. Happens all the time. A wall wouldn't stop it. Wouldn't even slow it down.

And this is likely a VERY isolated case. Its not racist to bring it up, but it would be racist to try and tar Mexican Americans as somehow being at fault here.

There it is

(03-05-2018 11:04 AM)gdunn Wrote:  There it is

So, what do you think a wall would have done to stop this? You realize the criminal lives in Mexico, right? And how does that impact the validity of Mexican Americans anymore than Jack Abramoff's swindles impact the validity of White Americans?

Why are you diluting this with whataboutism?

(03-05-2018 11:09 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why are you diluting this with whataboutism?

Just pointing out that it seems that there is a fetish in here for any crime that features a person of color as the perpetrator.

So, what do you think should be the response? I'd argue that some more investigators to look at financial fraud might be in order. And some better research into stolen identity. And of course extraditing the criminal to the USA, where he should sit in prison for a long, long time.

A wall won't stop this. Heck many financial crimes are committed against our government from behind keyboards in Eastern Europe and Africa.

And I'd also like to point out that this isn't evidence of any particular group being criminally inclined any more so than the multiple cases where White people have committed one-off economic fraud against our government reflect upon that larger community.

That's not the topic.

(03-05-2018 11:06 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:04 AM)gdunn Wrote:  There it is

So, what do you think a wall would have done to stop this? You realize the criminal lives in Mexico, right?

He didn't live in Mexico when he signed up for this and he didn't live in Mexico when he got deported in 1990.

A wall makes it a lot harder getting into America the first and second time.

But the question I have is why didn't SSI pick up on this when he was deported? But it was 1990 and we were not connected like today.

I would say it's not as rare as you think....

someone had to guild him into doing this and that someone was probably getting a cut and directed other on how to beat the system.

The wall makes it harder and the walls being shown would make it ten times harder than any wall up to day.

My niece by marriage drove to the border to pick up her baby daddy after he was deported. The wall would have stopped that. The guy works hard and by all accounts a good person but he's also living off the system...

the government is paying to help raise his child and him by the benefits the baby and mother gets. His money goes back to help support his other family in Mexico

You can say that's rare....you would be wrong

(03-05-2018 11:14 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:09 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why are you diluting this with whataboutism?

Just pointing out that it seems that there is a fetish in here for any crime that features a person of color as the perpetrator.

So, what do you think should be the response? I'd argue that some more investigators to look at financial fraud might be in order. And some better research into stolen identity. And of course extraditing the criminal to the USA, where he should sit in prison for a long, long time.

A wall won't stop this. Heck many financial crimes are committed against our government from behind keyboards in Eastern Europe and Africa.

And I'd also like to point out that this isn't evidence of any particular group being criminally inclined any more so than the multiple cases where White people have committed one-off economic fraud against our government reflect upon that larger community.

Once again, a leftist playing fast and loose with 'race'.

Mexicans and Americans are both white.... even when you guys don't want them to be.

I don't see anyone on here (except you) saying that Mexicans are more criminally inclined than Americans.

OF COURSE more Americans commit crimes in and against Americans than foreigners... but the fact that we often can't seem to catch, and certainly it would be difficult to prosecute them BECAUSE they are foreigners is a BIG problem.

Based on your interpretation of the facts (I don't know, but won't dispute you) no... it doesn't seem a wall would have prevented this... BUT it is certainly possible that a physical deterrent like a wall would allow the government to reallocate investigative resources to other such related crimes. If you will recall, it was the 'sending of money to Mexico' that was going to be the source of much of the funding for the wall... so it isn't hard to imagine that verifying expats or whatever in Mexico for their funds would be part of a revamp of the financial 'walls'.

That said, the comment from the left was that illegal aliens can't get benefits. Whether they were here or there is a rabbit trail. If the guy can get them from Mexico, it seems quite obvious that he could have gotten them from here. To think that this is a one-off is ridiculous.

but I'm all for an investigation into the variety of frauds perpetrated against MY taxes.... far more of a concern of mine than people who embezzle from companies I'm not an investor in. Not that I don't care at all, but I'm much more worried about OUR or MY money than I am about 'yours' (as I'm confident you are as well).

He might have been living in Mexico but his benefits were being sent to a American address so someone on this side was cashing the check and sending it to him. Or he made the trip each month.

SSI benefits can not be sent out of the US...this is a benefit based on being too poor to live and disabled. Its not the same as working and having enough quarters paid into the system. If you become disabled then...its your choice to live in America or not.


So yes a wall would have stopped this crime...if it was in place before he stole or bought the ID

Why do liberals always holler RACIST to intimidate honest debaters?
And why do they think taking another little bite out of the second amendment will stop gun crime and yet trying to restrict illegal border crossing won’t stop illegal border crossing?
Tom, it is my belief you and people who think like you hate America. You may not realize it but nothing you debate on here is in America’s interest. And America is ‘we the people’.
The liberal believes “we the people” means “me the person”. This breeds the ideas that ‘people of color’ are so incapable of caring for themselves that you good liberals must be their care takers. You believe a gun killed children so you must see all guns are restricted in some way to protect ‘all’ children. You believe the border is not important and people who want to come here should just walk right on in.
If you didn’t believe these things you would not say that things sound racist, guns shouldn’t shoot more than six times in a minute and a border wall won’t work.

(03-05-2018 01:59 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Why do liberals always holler RACIST to intimidate honest debaters?
And why do they think taking another little bite out of the second amendment will stop gun crime and yet trying to restrict illegal border crossing won’t stop illegal border crossing?
Tom, it is my belief you and people who think like you hate America. You may not realize it but nothing you debate on here is in America’s interest. And America is ‘we the people’.
The liberal believes “we the people” means “me the person”. This breeds the ideas that ‘people of color’ are so incapable of caring for themselves that you good liberals must be their care takers. You believe a gun killed children so you must see all guns are restricted in some way to protect ‘all’ children. You believe the border is not important and people who want to come here should just walk right on in.
If you didn’t believe these things you would not say that things sound racist, guns shouldn’t shoot more than six times in a minute and a border wall won’t work.

b/c it's the only wildcard they have 'left' they think matters with 'weight'.....

unfortunately, their numbers may overwhelm moving forward.....

fingers are still crossed with the #henceDJT experiment........one can only hope 'theirs' remains an #expectorant

this is the real battle....the rest of their bs is rhetorical semantics....