Am I the only one who hates to see a person, a university, a team, players ....go down like this?

I would prefer we were all on an even playing field, but I don't think this investigation is going to do it. It's just a power play. And those with the bucks will weasel out, while only some will be left holding the bag.

If it turns a 'profit' for the FBI, they will use it on FB too.

There must be some other way to go about it than the Feds getting involved.

(02-24-2018 04:20 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Am I the only one who hates to see a person, a university, a team, players ....go down like this?

I would prefer we were all on an even playing field, but I don't think this investigation is going to do it. It's just a power play. And those with the bucks will weasel out, while only some will be left holding the bag.

If it turns a 'profit' for the FBI, they will use it on FB too.

There must be some other way to go about it than the Feds getting involved.

Only way to clean it up is with REAL penalties like the FBI is willing to threaten people with.

(02-24-2018 04:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 04:20 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Am I the only one who hates to see a person, a university, a team, players ....go down like this?

I would prefer we were all on an even playing field, but I don't think this investigation is going to do it. It's just a power play. And those with the bucks will weasel out, while only some will be left holding the bag.

If it turns a 'profit' for the FBI, they will use it on FB too.

There must be some other way to go about it than the Feds getting involved.

Only way to clean it up is with REAL penalties like the FBI is willing to threaten people with.

It won't clean it up, though. Coaches did stuff that couldn't be wire tapped. That's such an old word, btw. lol

Shaq's son has started the dominoes. Shareef has decommited from Zona.

(02-24-2018 04:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 04:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 04:20 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Am I the only one who hates to see a person, a university, a team, players ....go down like this?

I would prefer we were all on an even playing field, but I don't think this investigation is going to do it. It's just a power play. And those with the bucks will weasel out, while only some will be left holding the bag.

If it turns a 'profit' for the FBI, they will use it on FB too.

There must be some other way to go about it than the Feds getting involved.

Only way to clean it up is with REAL penalties like the FBI is willing to threaten people with.

It won't clean it up, though. Coaches did stuff that couldn't be wire tapped. That's such an old word, btw. lol

I think it's sad. The longer I live, the more I realize we all have made mistakes, it's the nature of being human.

The pressure these guys are under is immense. Win or else. I can see getting money to a player if you're insulated.

As Lonzo Ball said "Everyone knows everyone is getting paid."

As clean as I think our last two coaches are (Smith / Pastner), I would in no was be surprised if we got attached at some point. I mean, it might literally be everywhere.

I guess we'll see. I find the story sad, but fascinating.

With certian personalites "if they are going down they will drag everyone with em. Some will take their licks and move along". Who knows I guess it will keep lots of people on the edge of their seat.

(02-24-2018 05:12 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 04:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 04:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 04:20 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Am I the only one who hates to see a person, a university, a team, players ....go down like this?

I would prefer we were all on an even playing field, but I don't think this investigation is going to do it. It's just a power play. And those with the bucks will weasel out, while only some will be left holding the bag.

If it turns a 'profit' for the FBI, they will use it on FB too.

There must be some other way to go about it than the Feds getting involved.

Only way to clean it up is with REAL penalties like the FBI is willing to threaten people with.

It won't clean it up, though. Coaches did stuff that couldn't be wire tapped. That's such an old word, btw. lol

I think it's sad. The longer I live, the more I realize we all have made mistakes, it's the nature of being human.

The pressure these guys are under is immense. Win or else. I can see getting money to a player if you're insulated.

As Lonzo Ball said "Everyone knows everyone is getting paid."

As clean as I think our last two coaches are (Smith / Pastner), I would in no was be surprised if we got attached at some point. I mean, it might literally be everywhere.

I guess we'll see. I find the story sad, but fascinating.

It won't stop unless the NCAA gets implicated. Or death penaltieS get imposed, which, up to now, NCAA has gone out of its way to avoid...

(02-24-2018 05:12 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 04:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 04:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 04:20 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Am I the only one who hates to see a person, a university, a team, players ....go down like this?

I would prefer we were all on an even playing field, but I don't think this investigation is going to do it. It's just a power play. And those with the bucks will weasel out, while only some will be left holding the bag.

If it turns a 'profit' for the FBI, they will use it on FB too.

There must be some other way to go about it than the Feds getting involved.

Only way to clean it up is with REAL penalties like the FBI is willing to threaten people with.

It won't clean it up, though. Coaches did stuff that couldn't be wire tapped. That's such an old word, btw. lol

I think it's sad. The longer I live, the more I realize we all have made mistakes, it's the nature of being human.

The pressure these guys are under is immense. Win or else. I can see getting money to a player if you're insulated.

As Lonzo Ball said "Everyone knows everyone is getting paid."

As clean as I think our last two coaches are (Smith / Pastner), I would in no was be surprised if we got attached at some point. I mean, it might literally be everywhere.

I guess we'll see. I find the story sad, but fascinating.

yes... Sad but fascinating. Like a thin Cabernet. lol

Comments in this thread seem to be working with the assumption these misdeeds will lead to NCAA sanctions, yet Emmert himself has said there is no current investigation, much less pending sanctions. And I don't think there will be a real NCAA investigation that leads to sanctions of any of the blue-bloods unless the FBI indictments (by their public nature) force individual university action (see Louisville) & only then the NCAA might follow. Also if coaches are implicated & removed by universities, in all likelihood the recruits themselves will also be ineligible. So I'm having a hard time seeing any immediate benefit for Memphis (I mean if $$ were offered & recruits took the money, signed LOIs or not, how can they be eligible?).

(02-25-2018 01:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Comments in this thread seem to be working with the assumption these misdeeds will lead to NCAA sanctions, yet Emmert himself has said there is no current investigation, much less pending sanctions. And I don't think there will be a real NCAA investigation that leads to sanctions of any of the blue-bloods unless the FBI indictments (by their public nature) force individual university action (see Louisville) & only then the NCAA might follow. Also if coaches are implicated & removed by universities, in all likelihood the recruits themselves will also be ineligible. So I'm having a hard time seeing any immediate benefit for Memphis.

Duh.

Maybe Tubby can get one of the open head coach jobs.

Then we can can get the coach who can pull Excaliber from the stone.

Penny.

(02-25-2018 01:33 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Comments in this thread seem to be working with the assumption these misdeeds will lead to NCAA sanctions, yet Emmert himself has said there is no current investigation, much less pending sanctions. And I don't think there will be a real NCAA investigation that leads to sanctions of any of the blue-bloods unless the FBI indictments (by their public nature) force individual university action (see Louisville) & only then the NCAA might follow. Also if coaches are implicated & removed by universities, in all likelihood the recruits themselves will also be ineligible. So I'm having a hard time seeing any immediate benefit for Memphis.

Duh.

Maybe Tubby can get one of the open head coach jobs.

Then we can can get the coach who can pull excaliber from the stump.

Penny.

Another illogical option...why would Tubby want another job that will likely pay him less $$ at a school that may face sanctions.....duh, indeed.

One thing for certain, the NCAA is a reactionary investigative body, it’s only after-the-fact of the FBI or Yahoo News or Network News reporting something do they actually start snooping around. They’re paid not to be proactive but to sit and wait

(02-25-2018 01:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:33 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Comments in this thread seem to be working with the assumption these misdeeds will lead to NCAA sanctions, yet Emmert himself has said there is no current investigation, much less pending sanctions. And I don't think there will be a real NCAA investigation that leads to sanctions of any of the blue-bloods unless the FBI indictments (by their public nature) force individual university action (see Louisville) & only then the NCAA might follow. Also if coaches are implicated & removed by universities, in all likelihood the recruits themselves will also be ineligible. So I'm having a hard time seeing any immediate benefit for Memphis.

Duh.

Maybe Tubby can get one of the open head coach jobs.

Then we can can get the coach who can pull excaliber from the stump.

Penny.

Another illogical option...why would Tubby want another job that will likely pay him less $$ at a school that may face sanctions.....duh, indeed.

(02-25-2018 01:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:33 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Comments in this thread seem to be working with the assumption these misdeeds will lead to NCAA sanctions, yet Emmert himself has said there is no current investigation, much less pending sanctions. And I don't think there will be a real NCAA investigation that leads to sanctions of any of the blue-bloods unless the FBI indictments (by their public nature) force individual university action (see Louisville) & only then the NCAA might follow. Also if coaches are implicated & removed by universities, in all likelihood the recruits themselves will also be ineligible. So I'm having a hard time seeing any immediate benefit for Memphis.

Duh.

Maybe Tubby can get one of the open head coach jobs.

Then we can can get the coach who can pull excaliber from the stump.

Penny.

Another illogical option...why would Tubby want another job that will likely pay him less $$ at a school that may face sanctions.....duh, indeed.

Why would players who are not implicated continue to stay committed to coaches\schools who are...That is what people are talking about with decommits.

(02-25-2018 01:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:33 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Comments in this thread seem to be working with the assumption these misdeeds will lead to NCAA sanctions, yet Emmert himself has said there is no current investigation, much less pending sanctions. And I don't think there will be a real NCAA investigation that leads to sanctions of any of the blue-bloods unless the FBI indictments (by their public nature) force individual university action (see Louisville) & only then the NCAA might follow. Also if coaches are implicated & removed by universities, in all likelihood the recruits themselves will also be ineligible. So I'm having a hard time seeing any immediate benefit for Memphis.

Duh.

Maybe Tubby can get one of the open head coach jobs.

Then we can can get the coach who can pull excaliber from the stump.

Penny.

Another illogical option...why would Tubby want another job that will likely pay him less $$ at a school that may face sanctions.....duh, indeed.

Why would players who are not implicated continue to stay committed to coaches\schools who are implicated...That is what people are talking about with decommits.

If a coach is in hot water at a school high level recruits will likely look elsewhere...But it still probably will not benefit Memphis though.

(02-25-2018 11:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:33 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Comments in this thread seem to be working with the assumption these misdeeds will lead to NCAA sanctions, yet Emmert himself has said there is no current investigation, much less pending sanctions. And I don't think there will be a real NCAA investigation that leads to sanctions of any of the blue-bloods unless the FBI indictments (by their public nature) force individual university action (see Louisville) & only then the NCAA might follow. Also if coaches are implicated & removed by universities, in all likelihood the recruits themselves will also be ineligible. So I'm having a hard time seeing any immediate benefit for Memphis.

Duh.

Maybe Tubby can get one of the open head coach jobs.

Then we can can get the coach who can pull excaliber from the stump.

Penny.

Another illogical option...why would Tubby want another job that will likely pay him less $$ at a school that may face sanctions.....duh, indeed.

Why would players who are not implicated continue to stay committed to coaches\schools who are implicated...That is what people are talking about with decommits.

The players listed from the schools who seem to be implicated at this point should be the most likeky to have rec'd $$ - that was 30-40% of the top 100.

(02-25-2018 01:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Comments in this thread seem to be working with the assumption these misdeeds will lead to NCAA sanctions, yet Emmert himself has said there is no current investigation, much less pending sanctions. And I don't think there will be a real NCAA investigation that leads to sanctions of any of the blue-bloods unless the FBI indictments (by their public nature) force individual university action (see Louisville) & only then the NCAA might follow. Also if coaches are implicated & removed by universities, in all likelihood the recruits themselves will also be ineligible. So I'm having a hard time seeing any immediate benefit for Memphis (I mean if $$ were offered & recruits took the money, signed LOIs or not, how can they be eligible?).

Of course they will lead to NCAA sanctions unless the NCAA just says "screw it, we knew it and we are not punishing all of our major schools". I guess they could do that since they make the rules.

Why would they bother running a concurrent investigation with the FBI. They are going to let the FBI and their resources do the bulk of the legwork and then just come in afterwards and do their own based on the FBI evidence made public.

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(02-25-2018 12:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 11:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:33 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Comments in this thread seem to be working with the assumption these misdeeds will lead to NCAA sanctions, yet Emmert himself has said there is no current investigation, much less pending sanctions. And I don't think there will be a real NCAA investigation that leads to sanctions of any of the blue-bloods unless the FBI indictments (by their public nature) force individual university action (see Louisville) & only then the NCAA might follow. Also if coaches are implicated & removed by universities, in all likelihood the recruits themselves will also be ineligible. So I'm having a hard time seeing any immediate benefit for Memphis.

Duh.

Maybe Tubby can get one of the open head coach jobs.

Then we can can get the coach who can pull excaliber from the stump.

Penny.

Another illogical option...why would Tubby want another job that will likely pay him less $$ at a school that may face sanctions.....duh, indeed.

Why would players who are not implicated continue to stay committed to coaches\schools who are implicated...That is what people are talking about with decommits.

The players listed from the schools who seem to be implicated at this point should be the most likeky to have rec'd $$ - that was 30-40% of the top 100.

That's a fair point, so even if they decommit, they might be G league / overseas bound.

In that case, it could go the other way if schools aren't punished, you might have the bluebloods trying to get kids to flip from other programs.

I don't know if Memphis gets involved with any of these kids (I'll admit it's unlikely), but this will be a wild spring period regardless.

(02-25-2018 03:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 12:00 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 11:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:33 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Duh.

Maybe Tubby can get one of the open head coach jobs.

Then we can can get the coach who can pull excaliber from the stump.

Penny.

Another illogical option...why would Tubby want another job that will likely pay him less $$ at a school that may face sanctions.....duh, indeed.

Why would players who are not implicated continue to stay committed to coaches\schools who are implicated...That is what people are talking about with decommits.

The players listed from the schools who seem to be implicated at this point should be the most likeky to have rec'd $$ - that was 30-40% of the top 100.

That's a fair point, so even if they decommit, they might be G league / overseas bound.

In that case, it could go the other way if schools aren't punished, you might have the bluebloods trying to get kids to flip from other programs.

I don't know if Memphis gets involved with any of these kids (I'll admit it's unlikely), but this will be a wild spring period regardless.

With that, I am in full agreement.

Maybe it’s just dumb luck, but only sending one player could turn out to be a blessing. It would suck if we had a full allotment of players and the floodgates opened with transfers.