(02-12-2018 01:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 01:01 PM)Cotten Wrote:  They already know they made a bad hire. The firing issue is strictly a business decision, fear has nothing to do with it. Which costs the financiers/UM more, keeping Tubby for another year or dumping him after this year?

The people making the decision have access to the real numbers, including considerations about how the inflation rate affects the value of Tubby's buyout if deferred over 6 or 4 years, etc. We have brilliant, successful businessmen on our BOR and among our boosters who are advising our president. Let them figure this out, most of you can't balance your own damn checkbook.

Agreed on all accounts. I am looking at this from a branding and marketing perspective and the bottom line is that the Memphis brand is crumbling so rapidly that it is beyond time to make a change. From the standpoint of branding, if we do not step up and step in now, it will be astronomically more costly longterm to repair and improve the brand from its currently public and national perception, which is weak, poor, incompetent and lacks passion, purpose, discipline and desire to achieve. We are laughed at, mocked and ridiculed. Memphis is a tribe and we need a leader. It doesn't take dollars to fix this.

In terms of media deals, football is the brand that matters and it's never been stronger. To have a competitive future in any athletics including basketball, we have to draw eyeballs to TVs during football season. If we fail at that, the entire house crumbles. We can only rely on our rich uncles for so much.

(02-12-2018 01:01 PM)Cotten Wrote:  They already know they made a bad hire. The firing issue is strictly a business decision, fear has nothing to do with it. Which costs the financiers/UM more, keeping Tubby for another year or dumping him after this year?

The people making the decision have access to the real numbers, including considerations about how the inflation rate affects the value of Tubby's buyout if deferred over 6 or 4 years, etc. We have brilliant, successful businessmen on our BOR and among our boosters who are advising our president. Let them figure this out, most of you can't balance your own damn checkbook.

What's this checkbook of which you speak?

(02-12-2018 01:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  IMO, Tubby will not be the coach here next year...

I pray you're right.

(02-12-2018 11:10 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 10:54 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  NOPE.

They’re not going to eat $10M 2 years into the hire and admit to everyone that they blew the hire.

That's what I fear. They'll tell everyone that things are fine and that Tubby has the program moving in the right direction.

They will lose more fans and ticket buyers if they go that route. They should know this. If not they are very bright.

Everyone knows that we can pay the man over 6 years, right? Makes it a bit more palatable. I guess the question is if we buy him out does it delay other items around the athletic department or is there extra money there.

(02-12-2018 02:19 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Everyone knows that we can pay the man over 6 years, right? Makes it a bit more palatable. I guess the question is if we buy him out does it delay other items around the athletic department or is there extra money there.

Interesting thoughts.

I also hope that a solid behind-the-scenes, independent search committee is already placing feelers to various coaches to gauge interest in our HC opportunity. Armed with a list of really solid go-getter candidates, our boosters could then determine what realistic direction to take in terms of settling up with Tubby.

(02-12-2018 01:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  IMO, Tubby will not be the coach here next year...

Unless he decides to step down i do not see how he will not be here next year.

Financially out hands are tied.

We must come up with $9 million for the buyout. Then we are locked into a pay scale of around $3 million. No established proven coach will accept pay less than our current coach. Unless we go the unproven assistant route. Otherwise Penny would be the only one who would consider taking the job with a contract less than $3 a year. So we are in a situation where if we go with a proven coach we cannot afford another bad hire. Or we go the unproven you first year coach route and pray we get the right man.

How does anyone actually KNOW what salary Penny is willing to accept? Just curious.

(02-12-2018 01:45 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 01:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 01:01 PM)Cotten Wrote:  They already know they made a bad hire. The firing issue is strictly a business decision, fear has nothing to do with it. Which costs the financiers/UM more, keeping Tubby for another year or dumping him after this year?

The people making the decision have access to the real numbers, including considerations about how the inflation rate affects the value of Tubby's buyout if deferred over 6 or 4 years, etc. We have brilliant, successful businessmen on our BOR and among our boosters who are advising our president. Let them figure this out, most of you can't balance your own damn checkbook.

Agreed on all accounts. I am looking at this from a branding and marketing perspective and the bottom line is that the Memphis brand is crumbling so rapidly that it is beyond time to make a change. From the standpoint of branding, if we do not step up and step in now, it will be astronomically more costly longterm to repair and improve the brand from its currently public and national perception, which is weak, poor, incompetent and lacks passion, purpose, discipline and desire to achieve. We are laughed at, mocked and ridiculed. Memphis is a tribe and we need a leader. It doesn't take dollars to fix this.

In terms of media deals, football is the brand that matters and it's never been stronger. To have a competitive future in any athletics including basketball, we have to draw eyeballs to TVs during football season. If we fail at that, the entire house crumbles. We can only rely on our rich uncles for so much.

And somehow we have to make sure that Norvell stays on board for at least two to three more years.

John Martin‏ @JohnMartin929
Buckle up Memphis!!!
1:59 PM - 12 Feb 2018

(02-12-2018 03:12 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 01:45 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 01:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 01:01 PM)Cotten Wrote:  They already know they made a bad hire. The firing issue is strictly a business decision, fear has nothing to do with it. Which costs the financiers/UM more, keeping Tubby for another year or dumping him after this year?

The people making the decision have access to the real numbers, including considerations about how the inflation rate affects the value of Tubby's buyout if deferred over 6 or 4 years, etc. We have brilliant, successful businessmen on our BOR and among our boosters who are advising our president. Let them figure this out, most of you can't balance your own damn checkbook.

Agreed on all accounts. I am looking at this from a branding and marketing perspective and the bottom line is that the Memphis brand is crumbling so rapidly that it is beyond time to make a change. From the standpoint of branding, if we do not step up and step in now, it will be astronomically more costly longterm to repair and improve the brand from its currently public and national perception, which is weak, poor, incompetent and lacks passion, purpose, discipline and desire to achieve. We are laughed at, mocked and ridiculed. Memphis is a tribe and we need a leader. It doesn't take dollars to fix this.

In terms of media deals, football is the brand that matters and it's never been stronger. To have a competitive future in any athletics including basketball, we have to draw eyeballs to TVs during football season. If we fail at that, the entire house crumbles. We can only rely on our rich uncles for so much.

And somehow we have to make sure that Norvell stays on board for at least two to three more years.

still waiting on the indoor practice facility and we have people wanting to spend $9mil of other people's money to make a basketball coach go away.

(02-12-2018 03:13 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  John Martin‏ @JohnMartin929
Buckle up Memphis!!!
1:59 PM - 12 Feb 2018

Time to strap it on.

(02-12-2018 03:20 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 03:13 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  John Martin‏ @JohnMartin929
Buckle up Memphis!!!
1:59 PM - 12 Feb 2018

Time to strap it on.

I don't think most posters here actually understand what you are suggesting.

(02-12-2018 03:13 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  John Martin‏ @JohnMartin929
Buckle up Memphis!!!
1:59 PM - 12 Feb 2018

If Penny leaves while Tubby stays that's two more horrible decisions made.

I love a good strap on.

(02-12-2018 03:29 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 03:13 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  John Martin‏ @JohnMartin929
Buckle up Memphis!!!
1:59 PM - 12 Feb 2018

If Penny leaves while Tubby stays that's two more horrible decisions made.

Why? What makes you think Penny would produce better results than pastner or tubby?

(02-12-2018 03:42 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 03:29 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 03:13 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  John Martin‏ @JohnMartin929
Buckle up Memphis!!!
1:59 PM - 12 Feb 2018

If Penny leaves while Tubby stays that's two more horrible decisions made.

Why? What makes you think Penny would produce better results than pastner or tubby?

All iI know is the present. And right now we have Tubby and his son and his pals as assistants. How's that working? I'll answer since its easy. Horrible. Hard to imagine any worse. On the other hand Penny presently is the coach of some of the best high school recruits in the nation. Some of thosr might even come with him. How will he turn out as a head coach at Memphis? That's an unknown. I'll go with that unknown over a known Tubby any day of the week.

This is the second time is ten minutes I've had to Bing something.

edit: didn't click but now I'm making sure to clear my history lol

(02-12-2018 03:27 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 03:20 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 03:13 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  John Martin‏ @JohnMartin929
Buckle up Memphis!!!
1:59 PM - 12 Feb 2018

Time to strap it on.

I don't think most posters here actually understand what you are suggesting.

I don’t and I fear to look.

(02-12-2018 03:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 03:42 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 03:29 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 03:13 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  John Martin‏ @JohnMartin929
Buckle up Memphis!!!
1:59 PM - 12 Feb 2018

If Penny leaves while Tubby stays that's two more horrible decisions made.

Why? What makes you think Penny would produce better results than pastner or tubby?

All iI know is the present. And right now we have Tubby and his son and his pals as assistants. How's that working? I'll answer since its easy. Horrible. Hard to imagine any worse. On the other hand Penny presently is the coach of some of the best high school recruits in the nation. Some of thosr might even come with him. How will he turn out as a head coach at Memphis? That's an unknown. I'll go with that unknown over a known Tubby any day of the week.

Pastner had, what?, four top 10 draft classes? How'd that work out?

I agree that Tubby was a bad hire/bad fit at Memphis, and when the highly competent individuals guiding our athletics decide the time is right to replace him, my preference would be that they hire a professional D1 coach with a track record of over-performing in recruiting and on the court. I'd love to get someone with a history of winning multiple conference championships. Someone with a resume that lends confidence rather than begging more questions.