Some of these DACA kids are American in everything but name only. Some are also MS-13 members and ne'er do wells. The former I am fine with making it official quickly. The latter I want deported forthwith.

Unfortunately I can't trust my government to do this responsibly and effectively.

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(01-25-2018 01:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Some of these DACA kids are American in everything but name only. Some are also MS-13 members and ne'er do wells. The former I am fine with making it official quickly. The latter I want deported forthwith.

Unfortunately I can't trust my government to do this responsibly and effectively.

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(01-25-2018 01:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Some of these DACA kids are American in everything but name only. Some are also MS-13 members and ne'er do wells. The former I am fine with making it official quickly. The latter I want deported forthwith.

Unfortunately I can't trust my government to do this responsibly and effectively.

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Believe me, MS 13 will not get past that immigration net. They are nothing but really bad hoodlums and those not put in the Hoosegow will be deported ASAP. They're San Salvadors problem, not ours. Some of them will be allowed to stay but they will need to put on uniforms (orange ones with Corrections Department on the back). Afterward, see ya, back to your country.

Also:

Overstaying a visa becomes a felony

(01-25-2018 01:35 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 01:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 01:06 PM)genda Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 12:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 12:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  You seem unfamiliar with Trump's negotiation tactics.

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You mean batshit crazy?

First he said he would sign a DACA bill.

Then he said he wanted a shut down.

Then he said DACA was a non starter.

Now he's talking citizenship?

When you start a negotiation in the middle, you can only cede your position. But if you start at the extremes, you can give plenty and get back to where you wanted to end up at the beginning.

Not sure why the media hasn't picked up on this tactic, but can only assume that they would rather rile their base up and create more division.

I agree with you if he is negotiating with both the republicans and the democrats.

Just about everything President Trump says is for both parties...at least those sensible enough to understand whats best for this country. Those on the far right and far left will never "get it"

Again I will say, President Trump is about as close to a democrat in the White house that we seen in a long time. Most democrats can't see this because of the progressive points the media is driving that play to the loudest voices. Those working families that voted democrat in the past saw this.....

the center is a very good spot for this country

tried to tell 'em from the get to he's a pragmatic centrist.....what else would be more desirable as POTUS???

it's fk'n congress that needs to get their shite together.....

fk the msm....they're titty IX on a boar.....

So we pay for the wall and then Mexico reimburses us for it, right?

(01-25-2018 02:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So we pay for the wall and then Mexico reimburses us for it, right?

We pay for the wall by limiting those that spent time in federal prison and the future crime they commit and government money they use.

It cost $31,025 to house a federal prisoner for a year...that cost could have went up or down since I last checked. Then it was $85 a day.

Hell if it stops 20,000 from crossing the border that gets caught and then spends 120 in the system before deported.

20,000 * 85= $1,700,000 *120 = $204,000,000
do that for 5 years and you save $1,020,000,000

I guess that 20,000 would be closer to 60,000 that the wall stops and will continue to stop even when you have a President that is soft on illegal immigrant.

I think with in 5 years it pays for itself in limiting the amount of crime (dollar cost) cause by Illegal Immigrant

So yes...Mexicans are paying for it

Something can be paid for through different methods. When you pay for a certain something the company selling/producing the something has your money and uses it to further his company, be it through growth. For instance, if we get out of NAFTA how much money will we gain by having fair business deals? Capiche.

(01-25-2018 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 02:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So we pay for the wall and then Mexico reimburses us for it, right?

We pay for the wall by limiting those that spent time in federal prison and the future crime they commit and government money they use.

It cost $31,025 to house a federal prisoner for a year...that cost could have went up or down since I last checked. Then it was $85 a day.

Hell if it stops 20,000 from crossing the border that gets caught and then spends 120 in the system before deported.

20,000 * 85= $1,700,000 *120 = $204,000,000
do that for 5 years and you save $1,020,000,000

I guess that 20,000 would be closer to 60,000 that the wall stops and will continue to stop even when you have a President that is soft on illegal immigrant.

I think with in 5 years it pays for itself in limiting the amount of crime (dollar cost) cause by Illegal Immigrant

So yes...Mexicans are paying for it

thank you again Guns!!!

#indirectaccumulation

the guess what happens.....we can begin to fix/construct with existing that becomes value added.....

once that's achieved, you simply modify the immigration requirements as needed.....

If there is a pathway to citizenship for these illegal aliens I will work against Trump in 2020. This is my line in the sand. Reward criminal behavior and you might as well just stop enforcing all law.

(01-25-2018 04:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If there is a pathway to citizenship for these illegal aliens I will work against Trump in 2020. This is my line in the sand. Reward criminal behavior and you might as well just stop enforcing all law.

how about legal residency without American citizenship?

(01-25-2018 04:16 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If there is a pathway to citizenship for these illegal aliens I will work against Trump in 2020. This is my line in the sand. Reward criminal behavior and you might as well just stop enforcing all law.

how about legal residency without American citizenship?

I've stated before that I'm fine with that. I've even stated I would be OK with citizenship after a lengthy term of service in the military, like eight years. But blanket citizenship is simply rewarding criminal behavior for absolutely no good reason.

(01-25-2018 04:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:16 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If there is a pathway to citizenship for these illegal aliens I will work against Trump in 2020. This is my line in the sand. Reward criminal behavior and you might as well just stop enforcing all law.

how about legal residency without American citizenship?

I've stated before that I'm fine with that. I've even stated I would be OK with citizenship after a lengthy term of service in the military, like eight years. But blanket citizenship is simply rewarding criminal behavior for absolutely no good reason.

Must keep eye on the ball. With wall, more agents, technology, end chain migration, end lottery, etc...this problem is gone forever.

(01-25-2018 04:23 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:16 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If there is a pathway to citizenship for these illegal aliens I will work against Trump in 2020. This is my line in the sand. Reward criminal behavior and you might as well just stop enforcing all law.

how about legal residency without American citizenship?

I've stated before that I'm fine with that. I've even stated I would be OK with citizenship after a lengthy term of service in the military, like eight years. But blanket citizenship is simply rewarding criminal behavior for absolutely no good reason.

Must keep eye on the ball. With wall, more agents, technology, end chain migration, end lottery, etc...this problem is gone forever.

The wall is the only part of the deal that will survive the next dim administration. It doesn't matter how many agents or what technology you have when the administration refuses to enforce the laws on the books as we saw the last eight years.

(01-25-2018 04:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:23 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:16 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If there is a pathway to citizenship for these illegal aliens I will work against Trump in 2020. This is my line in the sand. Reward criminal behavior and you might as well just stop enforcing all law.

how about legal residency without American citizenship?

I've stated before that I'm fine with that. I've even stated I would be OK with citizenship after a lengthy term of service in the military, like eight years. But blanket citizenship is simply rewarding criminal behavior for absolutely no good reason.

Must keep eye on the ball. With wall, more agents, technology, end chain migration, end lottery, etc...this problem is gone forever.

The wall is the only part of the deal that will survive the next dim administration. It doesn't matter how many agents or what technology you have when the administration refuses to enforce the laws on the books as we saw the last eight years.

most definitely. the wall is the main cog. (and I feel it can be part concrete, fence and technology.)

(01-25-2018 12:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 12:52 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 12:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 12:36 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is news to me. The last I heard, the WH was saying any path to citizenship was a none starter.

You seem unfamiliar with Trump's negotiation tactics.

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You mean batshit crazy?

First he said he would sign a DACA bill.

Then he said he wanted a shut down.

Then he said DACA was a non starter.

Now he's talking citizenship?

George H.W. Bush's negotiation tactics were batshit crazy. So far Trump's are not.

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Well if Trump gets something passed that Bush wasn't able to do I would have to agree.

Like ANWAR?

(01-25-2018 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 02:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So we pay for the wall and then Mexico reimburses us for it, right?

We pay for the wall by limiting those that spent time in federal prison and the future crime they commit and government money they use.

It cost $31,025 to house a federal prisoner for a year...that cost could have went up or down since I last checked. Then it was $85 a day.

Hell if it stops 20,000 from crossing the border that gets caught and then spends 120 in the system before deported.

20,000 * 85= $1,700,000 *120 = $204,000,000
do that for 5 years and you save $1,020,000,000

I guess that 20,000 would be closer to 60,000 that the wall stops and will continue to stop even when you have a President that is soft on illegal immigrant.

I think with in 5 years it pays for itself in limiting the amount of crime (dollar cost) cause by Illegal Immigrant

So yes...Mexicans are paying for it

If we do that, are we going to increase the number of people that can come here legally? We're trending towards not having enough people working to pay for all the benefits for the growing number of retirees.

Also, we will have to pay more for some services, from jobs that the illegals would have done.

(01-25-2018 04:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If there is a pathway to citizenship for these illegal aliens I will work against Trump in 2020. This is my line in the sand. Reward criminal behavior and you might as well just stop enforcing all law.

Then you'll probably be working against Trump in 2020 to elect someone less interested in ending illegal immigration than he is.

Many of the DACA kids were not competent, or capable of making decisions, at the time of their entry.

We don't prosecute infants for crawling/trespassing into someone else's yard or count them as actual "criminals".

No politician with an actual zero-tolerance position on DACA is likely to appear for you to support anyway.













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(01-25-2018 05:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 02:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So we pay for the wall and then Mexico reimburses us for it, right?

We pay for the wall by limiting those that spent time in federal prison and the future crime they commit and government money they use.

It cost $31,025 to house a federal prisoner for a year...that cost could have went up or down since I last checked. Then it was $85 a day.

Hell if it stops 20,000 from crossing the border that gets caught and then spends 120 in the system before deported.

20,000 * 85= $1,700,000 *120 = $204,000,000
do that for 5 years and you save $1,020,000,000

I guess that 20,000 would be closer to 60,000 that the wall stops and will continue to stop even when you have a President that is soft on illegal immigrant.

I think with in 5 years it pays for itself in limiting the amount of crime (dollar cost) cause by Illegal Immigrant

So yes...Mexicans are paying for it

If we do that, are we going to increase the number of people that can come here legally? We're trending towards not having enough people working to pay for all the benefits for the growing number of retirees.

Also, we will have to pay more for some services, from jobs that the illegals would have done.

Show me a link that says cost of service will go up if illegals are kept out? One thing we do know...a lot of cash money is not being taxes for all of those illegals working for cash.

But that has zero to do with your question that I answered...just moving the goal post

(01-25-2018 05:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 04:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If there is a pathway to citizenship for these illegal aliens I will work against Trump in 2020. This is my line in the sand. Reward criminal behavior and you might as well just stop enforcing all law.

Then you'll probably be working against Trump in 2020 to elect someone less interested in ending illegal immigration than he is.

Many of the DACA kids were not competent, or capable of making decisions, at the time of their entry.

We don't prosecute infants for crawling/trespassing into someone else's yard or count them as actual "criminals".

No politician with an actual zero-tolerance position on DACA is likely to appear for you to support anyway.













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There are absolutely no DACA infants. Most are over the age of 18, At the point they became legal adults and did nothing to correct their legal status in this country they assumed responsibility for their parent's illegal behavior.

And I agree, we don't prosecute infants for their parents misdeeds......but they also don't get to continue to benefit from their parents criminal activities either.